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Pnats: >we are knockin boots like wasculee wabbits >next month!111
Will this be Victor’s first time? 
SYD
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Syd Rappaport wrote: > Pnats: > > we are knockin boots like wasculee wabbits > > next month!111 > Will this be Victor’s first time? > > SYD
im not going to say. 
might say in the archives. — ———————————————————————— Ms Pnoopie Pnats Usnet Legend http://mspoopiepants.blogspot.com/ ———————————————————————— —————- I gotta ting fer Napoleeon! ———————————————————————— —————
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Troll wrote: > "Darkfalz" <Darkfalz.Use…@gmail.com> wrote in > news:1104777584.127022.108990@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com: > > Actually, I’ve been hit on by two women in her age bracket. I felt > > extremely violated by it. > Were they good looking?
I don’t consider women past a certain age (my age +2 years) to ever be good looking.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Troll wrote: > "Darkfalz" <Darkfalz.Use…@gmail.com> wrote in > news:1104856144.301150.233320@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com: > > Troll wrote: > >> "Darkfalz" <Darkfalz.Use…@gmail.com> wrote in > >> news:1104777584.127022.108990@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com: > >> > Actually, I’ve been hit on by two women in her age bracket. I felt > >> > extremely violated by it. > >> Were they good looking? > > I don’t consider women past a certain age (my age +2 years) to ever be > > good looking. > Maybe you should think differently?
Why? Women my own age have already "been around" far too much for my liking, let alone women who are older.
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Looking at google, it’s his first time. Lucky bastard getting his dick soaked for the first time in Ms Pants. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> Will this be Victor’s first time? >> >> SYD
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Darkfalz: >I don’t consider women past a certain age (my age +2 years) to ever be >good looking.
What if you’re dating someone who looks younger than you, you fall in love with her, and find out she’s actually 10 years older? Or do you require photo ID? For someone always complaining how shallow women are, you don’t exactly have the bar set low when it comes to standards. SYD
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Darkfalz wrote: > Women here are even more shallow in the US. It’s a sorry state of > affairs when a guy is so desperate he’ll hook up with an over the hill > divorcee slut with kids… thankfully I will never sink that low, but I > don’t blame him all the same. Some can cope with loneliness better than > others, I can drop my (physical) standards but never my principles. > Unser Deutsches Volk SIEG HEIL!
Oh, DF… thank god! I thought you were gone for good. -=Lola
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Darkfalz wrote: > Actually, I’ve been hit on by two women in her age bracket. I felt > extremely violated by it.
You forgot the quotes around "women", and also you switched "anally intruded" for "hit on".
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Syd Rappaport wrote: > Pnats: >>we are knockin boots like wasculee wabbits >>next month!111 > Will this be Victor’s first time? > > SYD
If it is, I am SURE she’ll make it memorable!
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Actually, I’ve been hit on by two women in her age bracket. I felt extremely violated by it.
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I’ve thought about it a lot, but I don’t think I’ll ever do it. Ask me when I’m 30 though…
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Darkfalz wrote: > Hot Pnats wrote: > > mitznegari thinks it has wings wrote: > > > i can afford a little trip to australia. you wouldn’t even have to > buy > > > me dinner. > > > (not that any of the others have to). > > > <lick> > > > – m i t z – > > LMAO! Eveebodee iz going to australiailaia! > Women here are even more shallow in the US. It’s a sorry state of > affairs when a guy is so desperate he’ll hook up with an over the hill > divorcee slut with kids… thankfully I will never sink that low, but > I don’t blame him all the same. Some can cope with loneliness better > than others, I can drop my (physical) standards but never my > principles. Unser Deutsches Volk SIEG HEIL!
dont feel sorree fer us wen we are knockin boots like wasculee wabbits next month!111 — ———————————————————————— Ms Pnoopie Pnats Usnet Legend http://mspoopiepants.blogspot.com/ ———————————————————————— —————- I gotta ting fer Napoleeon! ———————————————————————— —————
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hardpan wrote: > On 1 Jan 2005 20:40:12 GMT, "Hot Pnats" <Sl…@slorp.cum.oh!> wrote: >>blottomatic wrote: >>>Hot Pnats wrote: >>>>mitznegari thinks it has wings wrote: >>>>>i can afford a little trip to australia. you wouldn’t even have >>>>>to buy me dinner. >>>>>(not that any of the others have to). >>>>><lick> >>>>>- m i t z – >>>>LMAO! Eveebodee iz going to australiailaia! >>>I want to go to Australia just so I can pick up that Peter Ayscough >>>cd. I dont think its sold anywhere else. >>LOL! ok ASS field trip to Australia!! come on class line up fer teh >>747! 
> Hold on a minute. > I gotta put on my shoe-bombs before I go. > Praise Allah !!!
ROFLMAO!
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hardpan wrote: > On 1 Jan 2005 20:40:12 GMT, "Hot Pnats" <Sl…@slorp.cum.oh!> wrote: > > blottomatic wrote: > >> Hot Pnats wrote: > >> > mitznegari thinks it has wings wrote: > >> > > i can afford a little trip to australia. you wouldn’t even have > >> > > to buy me dinner. > >> > > (not that any of the others have to). > >> > > <lick> > >> > > – m i t z – > >> > LMAO! Eveebodee iz going to australiailaia! > >> I want to go to Australia just so I can pick up that Peter Ayscough > >> cd. I dont think its sold anywhere else. > > LOL! ok ASS field trip to Australia!! come on class line up fer teh > > 747! > Hold on a minute. > I gotta put on my shoe-bombs before I go. > Praise Allah !!!
LMFAO! — ———————————————————————— Ms Pnoopie Pnats Usnet Legend http://mspoopiepants.blogspot.com/ ———————————————————————— —————- my socks are off Vic, come and get my feet NOW!! ———————————————————————— —————
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I don’t consort with nigger lovers.
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Darkfalz.Use…@gmail.com wrote: > I don’t consort with nigger lovers.
Your loss. SYD
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Hot Pnats wrote: > mitznegari thinks it has wings wrote: > > i can afford a little trip to australia. you wouldn’t even have to buy > > me dinner. > > (not that any of the others have to). > > <lick> > > – m i t z – > LMAO! Eveebodee iz going to australiailaia!
Women here are even more shallow in the US. It’s a sorry state of affairs when a guy is so desperate he’ll hook up with an over the hill divorcee slut with kids… thankfully I will never sink that low, but I don’t blame him all the same. Some can cope with loneliness better than others, I can drop my (physical) standards but never my principles. Unser Deutsches Volk SIEG HEIL!
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Darkfalz: >Women here are even more shallow in the US. It’s a sorry state of > affairs when a guy is so desperate he’ll hook up with an over the hill > divorcee slut with kids… thankfully I will never sink that low
That’s because you’d never get the chance. No woman with Pantz’s appearance, grandmother or not, would give you the time of day unless you were paying her. SYD
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blottomatic: > I want to go to Australia just so I can pick up that Peter Ayscough cd. > I dont think its sold anywhere else.
LOL! SYD
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -blottomatic wrote: > Hot Pnats wrote: > > mitznegari thinks it has wings wrote: > > > i can afford a little trip to australia. you wouldn’t even have > > > to buy me dinner. > > > (not that any of the others have to). > > > <lick> > > > – m i t z – > > LMAO! Eveebodee iz going to australiailaia! > I want to go to Australia just so I can pick up that Peter Ayscough > cd. I dont think its sold anywhere else.
LOL! ok ASS field trip to Australia!! come on class line up fer teh 747! — ———————————————————————— Ms Pnoopie Pnats Usnet Legend http://mspoopiepants.blogspot.com/ ———————————————————————— —————- my socks are off Vic, come and get my feet NOW!! ———————————————————————— —————
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hardpan wrote: > On 1 Jan 2005 20:40:12 GMT, "Hot Pnats" <Sl…@slorp.cum.oh!> wrote: >>blottomatic wrote: >>>Hot Pnats wrote: >>>>mitznegari thinks it has wings wrote: >>>>>i can afford a little trip to australia. you wouldn’t even have >>>>>to buy me dinner. >>>>>(not that any of the others have to). >>>>><lick> >>>>>- m i t z – >>>>LMAO! Eveebodee iz going to australiailaia! >>>I want to go to Australia just so I can pick up that Peter Ayscough >>>cd. I dont think its sold anywhere else. >>LOL! ok ASS field trip to Australia!! come on class line up fer teh >>747! > Hold on a minute. > I gotta put on my shoe-bombs before I go. > Praise Allah !!!
Death to the western world! Kill whitey! — halfblotto@sof,tho,me.pet – i’ve lost my mind and i’m not trying to find out where it went to that might be for the best since i’m not trying to remember the shit I been through
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mitznegari thinks it has wings wrote: > i can afford a little trip to australia. you wouldn’t even have to buy > me dinner. > (not that any of the others have to). > <lick> > – m i t z –
LMAO! Eveebodee iz going to australiailaia! — ———————————————————————— Ms Pnoopie Pnats Usnet Legend http://mspoopiepants.blogspot.com/ ———————————————————————— —————- my socks are off Vic, come and get my feet NOW!! ———————————————————————— —————
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hot Pnats wrote: > mitznegari thinks it has wings wrote: >>i can afford a little trip to australia. you wouldn’t even have to buy >>me dinner. >>(not that any of the others have to). >><lick> >>- m i t z – > LMAO! Eveebodee iz going to australiailaia!
I want to go to Australia just so I can pick up that Peter Ayscough cd. I dont think its sold anywhere else. — halfblotto@sof,tho,me.pet – I will send you a videotape marked as "Mary Poppins" that will actually contain footage of kittens consuming my flesh, so as to ruin your enjoyment of kittens AND "Mary Poppins".
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You’ve never been to Lincoln, then. I stood by a roadside there once for five hours. *g*ery <lifesucksthenyou…@aon.at> escribi
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Grow up Raf, be a man, not a child Pamela – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<raffa…@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:82hl5f$8pc$1@nnrp1.deja.com…
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You’re so sweet… (((( Pamela )))) In article <eLBmuYOQ$GA.229@cpmsnbbsa04>, "Unicorn" <Unicorn_4_Ma…@yahoo.com> wrote: <friendly snip> — All the best Raffaele <http://www.angelfire.com/mi/raffaele55/> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.
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In article <19991204230608.23941.00000…@ng-co1.aol.com>, cking10…@aol.com (CKing10710) wrote: > How about the supportive ones and ones needing support > hang on and speak to each other and just ignore the people > trying to make the problems?
This is exactly the message of the "Letter from a friend" by Biff, which explains why somebody here didn’t like it. — All the best Raffaele <http://www.angelfire.com/mi/raffaele55/> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.
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In article <19991204230137.23941.00000…@ng-co1.aol.com>, cking10…@aol.com (CKing10710) wrote: This was written by Harvey: > >I just hope it doesn’t get sour as ASH and stay that way. > What is ASH? Did it end due to too much fighting or something?
Well, ASH is alt.suicide.holyday. It is another NG, with a peculiar phylosophy (they think that suicide is OK, which is unusual here). Not much time before, Harvey has visited that group and offended people there. They fought him back. No, ASH didn’t end due to the fighting. Under that respect, they show more maturity than ASLers and attack only exterior invaders, not each other. — All the best Raffaele <http://www.angelfire.com/mi/raffaele55/> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.
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Dear Bonnie….I understand your disappointment and frustration very well. It makes my heart hurt to see ASL like this. The answer to your question….No the purpose hasn’t been lost. It is still here and will remain here. The problem is that raffaele has returned once again, and history shows that when he shows up he does his best to destroy the support in this group. I’m so very sorry that you and all of us have to contend with this loathsome behaviour of one person. As long as we have people, like yourself, who are strong enough to withstand his periodic attacks, then we will remain a support group. I have placed him in my killfile….and I suggest others do the same. ASL has never known peace when raff is here. I do hope that the people who are lonely, needing someone to talk with, or just needing a hug and knowing that someone cares will see this is still the place to receive it. Thank you for being here, Bonnie. We need you. Hugs and Smiles, Gina "May you always know the truth, And see the lights surrounding you… May you always be courageous, Stand upright and be strong…" —Bob Dylan
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>In the interest of peace I to will not longer read any of his posts. There >can not >be a reaction to an action if that action is not visible to react to. Be >well. >Hugs >Eddie (Chief)
Thank you, Chief. We are already on the road to recovery !!! I feel the load getting lighter. :-) He isn’t worth the time nor the energy it takes to read his filthy lies, and his power to anger me is gone. I feel sooo much better !!! Hugs and Smiles, Gina "May you always know the truth, And see the lights surrounding you… May you always be courageous, Stand upright and be strong…" —Bob Dylan
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To the good people of ASL: Below a promise of Eddie, for "peace’s sake". I wonder if later he will break it, with one of the following explanations: 1. I was just kidding! (like with "Ric who?"). 2. Your behaviour made me impossible to keep my "promise" (please note the hyphens). 3. Why dig up dinosaurs bones? Forget the past! We will see. For now, I just keep record of this. In article <384B3009.D244E…@banet.net>, spoo…@banet.net wrote: > In the interest of peace I to will not longer read any > of his posts. There can not be a reaction to an action > if that action is not visible to react to.
– All the best Raffaele <http://www.angelfire.com/mi/raffaele55/> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.
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To the good people of ASL: Below a promise of Eddie, for "peace’s sake". I wonder if later he will break it, with one of the following explanations: 1. I was just kidding! (like with "Ric who?"). 2. Your behaviour made me impossible to keep my "promise" (please note the quotation marks). 3. Why dig up dinosaurs bones? Forget the past! We will see. For now, I just keep record of this. In article <384B3009.D244E…@banet.net>, spoo…@banet.net wrote: > In the interest of peace I to will not longer read any > of his posts. There can not be a reaction to an action > if that action is not visible to react to.
– All the best Raffaele <http://www.angelfire.com/mi/raffaele55/> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.
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So what am I the rest of the time?????? hmmmmmmm Time for the beans, hahahehehe. Thanks Hugs Eddie (Chief) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Unicorn wrote: > Eddie.. > Geeze.. You are so very wise sometimes.. That was a wonderful expression of > what happens.. > Pamela > "Candyman" <spoo…@banet.net> wrote in message > news:384AB23D.57DF1666@banet.net… > > The truth is Bonnie the truth has not been lost. It certainly appears as > if it has > > but often times within a group of "lonely" people the underlying reasons > of > > loneliness have a direct impact on how we act here and in real life. Many > that are > > lonely find blame in others, never accepting the fact that they may have > had an > > impact, and possibly large impact, into what has created there loneliness. > Many > > look for help in getting out of that loneliness but rather than look for > supporters > > (even though they believe they are), they are actually looking for > enablers – those > > that support there actions and therefore enable them to at least believe > that they > > themselves have absolutely nothing to do with there loneliness. And they > believe > > they are completely right, not willing to accept the possibility that they > > themselves could have played a role in there past and present loneliness. > In many > > ways they probably need support more than others but in a different, maybe > more > > diplomatic way. Now I understand this does not include everyone and many > have > > been dealt a pretty raw deal in life, and yes trully are looking for and > need > > support be it either advice or just plain chatter. There are also those > that have > > a disire, almost a need, to control something or someone yet in a sense > are shy, > > but alas it’s alot easier to act out that "power" if you will, when not > actually > > face to face with others, and the internal lion of some is let out – > making them > > feel strong if they in any way succeed. Human nature gives us a strong > desire to > > defend outselves and our actions and what you’re seeing here right now is > pretty > > much what’s going on. Many seek justification of there actions, even by > twisting > > words, whether they believe they are wrong or not. There will come a time > I pray > > that this will settle down, but unfortunately this happens quite > regularly. Sorry > > about the ramblings. Hope this finds you well > > Hugs > > Eddie (Chief) > > Bonnie wrote: > > > I left the group recently for a short time, but I came back because I > missed > > > the people, the caring and the support. But now all the old arguments > are back > > > seemingly taking the place of the support once given. Very few are > posting, > > > but there are some looking for help or simply support and understanding. > Much > > > of the understanding that was here is gone now. Some are new and may > not > > > understand what it is they see here now. Some may be seeing this as one > of > > > their last chances to reach out to another human. It seems as if the > energies > > > of the group are misdirected somewhat here. This is a support group. I > have > > > never been able to give the kind of support that I wanted to give, or > that I > > > felt in my heart. When I see others reaching out in pain I hurt for > them > > > because so much of what they feel I seem to know. I want to help the > ones that > > > are reaching, I want to reach back, but I find I am sorely missing > whatever it > > > takes to do that. How can I begin to help anyone else when I can’t help > > > myself? I keep hitting brick walls in my own life and it seems those > walls are > > > getting harder and rougher everyday. A part of me wants to just give up > and > > > stop trying, stop everything. Where can those that feel like I do, or > that are > > > somehow lost in the dark go to find understanding and support now? When > I come > > > here now I find many of the very things I am running from in my life. I > do > > > know there are some valid and very important issues at stake here and > maybe > > > these do need to be addressed. It is not up to me to make that > decision. My > > > question is has the purpose of this group been lost in all the problems > of the > > > group? > > > Bonnie
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In article <OVMPDD#P$GA.329@cpmsnbbsa04>, "Unicorn" <unicorn@us-business> wrote: > Eddie.. > Geeze.. You are so very wise sometimes.. > That was a wonderful expression of what happens.. > Pamela
Do you mean the slander by Maddogg against yourself? — All the best Raffaele <http://www.angelfire.com/mi/raffaele55/> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.
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Eddie.. Geeze.. You are so very wise sometimes.. That was a wonderful expression of what happens.. Pamela "Candyman" <spoo…@banet.net> wrote in message
news:384AB23D.57DF1666@banet.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> The truth is Bonnie the truth has not been lost. It certainly appears as if it has > but often times within a group of "lonely" people the underlying reasons of > loneliness have a direct impact on how we act here and in real life. Many that are > lonely find blame in others, never accepting the fact that they may have had an > impact, and possibly large impact, into what has created there loneliness. Many > look for help in getting out of that loneliness but rather than look for supporters > (even though they believe they are), they are actually looking for enablers – those > that support there actions and therefore enable them to at least believe that they > themselves have absolutely nothing to do with there loneliness. And they believe > they are completely right, not willing to accept the possibility that they > themselves could have played a role in there past and present loneliness. In many > ways they probably need support more than others but in a different, maybe more > diplomatic way. Now I understand this does not include everyone and many have > been dealt a pretty raw deal in life, and yes trully are looking for and need > support be it either advice or just plain chatter. There are also those that have > a disire, almost a need, to control something or someone yet in a sense are shy, > but alas it’s alot easier to act out that "power" if you will, when not actually > face to face with others, and the internal lion of some is let out – making them > feel strong if they in any way succeed. Human nature gives us a strong desire to > defend outselves and our actions and what you’re seeing here right now is pretty > much what’s going on. Many seek justification of there actions, even by twisting > words, whether they believe they are wrong or not. There will come a time I pray > that this will settle down, but unfortunately this happens quite regularly. Sorry > about the ramblings. Hope this finds you well > Hugs > Eddie (Chief) > Bonnie wrote: > > I left the group recently for a short time, but I came back because I missed > > the people, the caring and the support. But now all the old arguments are back > > seemingly taking the place of the support once given. Very few are posting, > > but there are some looking for help or simply support and understanding. Much > > of the understanding that was here is gone now. Some are new and may not > > understand what it is they see here now. Some may be seeing this as one of > > their last chances to reach out to another human. It seems as if the energies > > of the group are misdirected somewhat here. This is a support group. I have > > never been able to give the kind of support that I wanted to give, or that I > > felt in my heart. When I see others reaching out in pain I hurt for them > > because so much of what they feel I seem to know. I want to help the ones that > > are reaching, I want to reach back, but I find I am sorely missing whatever it > > takes to do that. How can I begin to help anyone else when I can’t help > > myself? I keep hitting brick walls in my own life and it seems those walls are > > getting harder and rougher everyday. A part of me wants to just give up and > > stop trying, stop everything. Where can those that feel like I do, or that are > > somehow lost in the dark go to find understanding and support now? When I come > > here now I find many of the very things I am running from in my life. I do > > know there are some valid and very important issues at stake here and maybe > > these do need to be addressed. It is not up to me to make that decision. My > > question is has the purpose of this group been lost in all the problems of the > > group? > > Bonnie
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There is no magic answer. Well, actually there is, but it’s so simple that almost everyone ignores it. It’s a cliche, and today most people forget that the simple things in life – make all the difference. This group will go up and down, depends who’s here – right now. And those disruptive people do come back again – doing the same thing over and over – and what good people there are, do their thing over and over. You can only connect with those, who you get along with, build those relationships up for worthwhile friendships. Everyone faces their own battles, win and/or lose every day. Some people don’t fight at all, they know peace is the way. Unfortunately, they too often get trodden upon, who don’t understand the way of peace. Will ASL ever be that utopia, that you envisioned? No, I don’t think so. I just hope it doesn’t get sour as ASH and stay that way. Harvey In article <19991204144432.18095.00000…@ng-ft1.aol.com>, zan…@aol.com says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I left the group recently for a short time, but I came back because I missed >the people, the caring and the support. But now all the old arguments are back >seemingly taking the place of the support once given. Very few are posting, >but there are some looking for help or simply support and understanding. Much >of the understanding that was here is gone now. Some are new and may not >understand what it is they see here now. Some may be seeing this as one of >their last chances to reach out to another human. It seems as if the energies >of the group are misdirected somewhat here. This is a support group. I have >never been able to give the kind of support that I wanted to give, or that I >felt in my heart. When I see others reaching out in pain I hurt for them >because so much of what they feel I seem to know. I want to help the ones that >are reaching, I want to reach back, but I find I am sorely missing whatever it >takes to do that. How can I begin to help anyone else when I can’t help >myself? I keep hitting brick walls in my own life and it seems those walls are >getting harder and rougher everyday. A part of me wants to just give up and >stop trying, stop everything. Where can those that feel like I do, or that are >somehow lost in the dark go to find understanding and support now? When I come >here now I find many of the very things I am running from in my life. I do >know there are some valid and very important issues at stake here and maybe >these do need to be addressed. It is not up to me to make that decision. My >question is has the purpose of this group been lost in all the problems of the >group? >Bonnie
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That is one of the most intelligent explanations of this I’ve read. Thank you Eddie for your insight. Hugs Bonnie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Subject: Re: Have the priorities changed? >From: Candyman spoo…@banet.net >Date: Sun, 05 December 1999 01:43 PM EST >Message-id: <384AB23D.57DF1…@banet.net> >The truth is Bonnie the truth has not been lost. It certainly appears as if >it has >but often times within a group of "lonely" people the underlying reasons of >loneliness have a direct impact on how we act here and in real life. Many >that are >lonely find blame in others, never accepting the fact that they may have had >an >impact, and possibly large impact, into what has created there loneliness. >Many >look for help in getting out of that loneliness but rather than look for >supporters >(even though they believe they are), they are actually looking for enablers – >those >that support there actions and therefore enable them to at least believe that >they >themselves have absolutely nothing to do with there loneliness. And they >believe >they are completely right, not willing to accept the possibility that they >themselves could have played a role in there past and present loneliness. In >many >ways they probably need support more than others but in a different, maybe >more >diplomatic way. Now I understand this does not include everyone and many >have >been dealt a pretty raw deal in life, and yes trully are looking for and need >support be it either advice or just plain chatter. There are also those that >have >a disire, almost a need, to control something or someone yet in a sense are >shy, >but alas it’s alot easier to act out that "power" if you will, when not >actually >face to face with others, and the internal lion of some is let out – making >them >feel strong if they in any way succeed. Human nature gives us a strong >desire to >defend outselves and our actions and what you’re seeing here right now is >pretty >much what’s going on. Many seek justification of there actions, even by >twisting >words, whether they believe they are wrong or not. There will come a time I >pray >that this will settle down, but unfortunately this happens quite regularly. >Sorry >about the ramblings. Hope this finds you well >Hugs >Eddie (Chief) >Bonnie wrote: >> I left the group recently for a short time, but I came back because I >missed >> the people, the caring and the support. But now all the old arguments are >back >> seemingly taking the place of the support once given. Very few are >posting, >> but there are some looking for help or simply support and understanding. >Much >> of the understanding that was here is gone now. Some are new and may not >> understand what it is they see here now. Some may be seeing this as one of >> their last chances to reach out to another human. It seems as if the >energies >> of the group are misdirected somewhat here. This is a support group. I >have >> never been able to give the kind of support that I wanted to give, or that >I >> felt in my heart. When I see others reaching out in pain I hurt for them >> because so much of what they feel I seem to know. I want to help the ones >that >> are reaching, I want to reach back, but I find I am sorely missing whatever >it >> takes to do that. How can I begin to help anyone else when I can’t help >> myself? I keep hitting brick walls in my own life and it seems those walls >are >> getting harder and rougher everyday. A part of me wants to just give up >and >> stop trying, stop everything. Where can those that feel like I do, or that >are >> somehow lost in the dark go to find understanding and support now? When I >come >> here now I find many of the very things I am running from in my life. I do >> know there are some valid and very important issues at stake here and maybe >> these do need to be addressed. It is not up to me to make that decision. >My >> question is has the purpose of this group been lost in all the problems of >the >> group? >> Bonnie
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In the interest of peace I to will not longer read any of his posts. There can not be a reaction to an action if that action is not visible to react to. Be well. Hugs Eddie (Chief) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Gina wrote: > Dear Bonnie….I understand your disappointment and frustration very well. It > makes my heart hurt to see ASL like this. > The answer to your question….No the purpose hasn’t been lost. It is still > here and will remain here. The problem is that raffaele has returned once > again, and history shows that when he shows up he does his best to destroy the > support in this group. I’m so very sorry that you and all of us have to > contend with this loathsome behaviour of one person. As long as we have > people, like yourself, who are strong enough to withstand his periodic attacks, > then we will remain a support group. I have placed him in my killfile….and I > suggest others do the same. ASL has never known peace when raff is here. I do > hope that the people who are lonely, needing someone to talk with, or just > needing a hug and knowing that someone cares will see this is still the place > to receive it. Thank you for being here, Bonnie. We need you. > Hugs and Smiles, > Gina > "May you always know the truth, > And see the lights surrounding you… > May you always be courageous, > Stand upright and be strong…" > —Bob Dylan
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>so. >I just hope it doesn’t get sour as ASH and stay that way.
What is ASH? Did it end due to too much fighting or something?
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How about the supportive ones and ones needing support hang on and speak to each other and just ignore the people trying to make the problems? (Of course that’s easy for me to say since I don’t understand the ones here to offend anyone like that chatter the giggle one did, so its easy for me to ignore it and go on to more supportive or needing support types of posts on here!)
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The truth is Bonnie the truth has not been lost. It certainly appears as if it has but often times within a group of "lonely" people the underlying reasons of loneliness have a direct impact on how we act here and in real life. Many that are lonely find blame in others, never accepting the fact that they may have had an impact, and possibly large impact, into what has created there loneliness. Many look for help in getting out of that loneliness but rather than look for supporters (even though they believe they are), they are actually looking for enablers – those that support there actions and therefore enable them to at least believe that they themselves have absolutely nothing to do with there loneliness. And they believe they are completely right, not willing to accept the possibility that they themselves could have played a role in there past and present loneliness. In many ways they probably need support more than others but in a different, maybe more diplomatic way. Now I understand this does not include everyone and many have been dealt a pretty raw deal in life, and yes trully are looking for and need support be it either advice or just plain chatter. There are also those that have a disire, almost a need, to control something or someone yet in a sense are shy, but alas it’s alot easier to act out that "power" if you will, when not actually face to face with others, and the internal lion of some is let out – making them feel strong if they in any way succeed. Human nature gives us a strong desire to defend outselves and our actions and what you’re seeing here right now is pretty much what’s going on. Many seek justification of there actions, even by twisting words, whether they believe they are wrong or not. There will come a time I pray that this will settle down, but unfortunately this happens quite regularly. Sorry about the ramblings. Hope this finds you well Hugs Eddie (Chief) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Bonnie wrote: > I left the group recently for a short time, but I came back because I missed > the people, the caring and the support. But now all the old arguments are back > seemingly taking the place of the support once given. Very few are posting, > but there are some looking for help or simply support and understanding. Much > of the understanding that was here is gone now. Some are new and may not > understand what it is they see here now. Some may be seeing this as one of > their last chances to reach out to another human. It seems as if the energies > of the group are misdirected somewhat here. This is a support group. I have > never been able to give the kind of support that I wanted to give, or that I > felt in my heart. When I see others reaching out in pain I hurt for them > because so much of what they feel I seem to know. I want to help the ones that > are reaching, I want to reach back, but I find I am sorely missing whatever it > takes to do that. How can I begin to help anyone else when I can’t help > myself? I keep hitting brick walls in my own life and it seems those walls are > getting harder and rougher everyday. A part of me wants to just give up and > stop trying, stop everything. Where can those that feel like I do, or that are > somehow lost in the dark go to find understanding and support now? When I come > here now I find many of the very things I am running from in my life. I do > know there are some valid and very important issues at stake here and maybe > these do need to be addressed. It is not up to me to make that decision. My > question is has the purpose of this group been lost in all the problems of the > group? > Bonnie
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Bonnie: I don’t know if I really have any words that will help you, but I do know that when life gets to be too much for us, it becomes more difficult to be supportive to others who are hurting. Sometimes, it’s all you can do to pull yourself up out of the dust. That’s even harder to do if there’s no one to support you. Still, I hope you feel that you have friends here, regardless of all the other junk that’s going on. If you need to vent, talk or whatever, you can always e-mail me. Angela Bonnie <zan…@aol.com> wrote in message
news:19991204144432.18095.00000450@ng-ft1.aol.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I left the group recently for a short time, but I came back because I missed > the people, the caring and the support. But now all the old arguments are back > seemingly taking the place of the support once given. Very few are posting, > but there are some looking for help or simply support and understanding. Much > of the understanding that was here is gone now. Some are new and may not > understand what it is they see here now. Some may be seeing this as one of > their last chances to reach out to another human. It seems as if the energies > of the group are misdirected somewhat here. This is a support group. I have > never been able to give the kind of support that I wanted to give, or that I > felt in my heart. When I see others reaching out in pain I hurt for them > because so much of what they feel I seem to know. I want to help the ones that > are reaching, I want to reach back, but I find I am sorely missing whatever it > takes to do that. How can I begin to help anyone else when I can’t help > myself? I keep hitting brick walls in my own life and it seems those walls are > getting harder and rougher everyday. A part of me wants to just give up and > stop trying, stop everything. Where can those that feel like I do, or that are > somehow lost in the dark go to find understanding and support now? When I come > here now I find many of the very things I am running from in my life. I do > know there are some valid and very important issues at stake here and maybe > these do need to be addressed. It is not up to me to make that decision. My > question is has the purpose of this group been lost in all the problems of the > group? > Bonnie
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Hello Bonnie! In article <19991204144432.18095.00000…@ng-ft1.aol.com>, zan…@aol.com (Bonnie) wrote: > I left the group recently for a short time, but I came back > because I missed the people, the caring and the support.
I must confess that I’ve seen your handle, but didn’t notice you very much. However, I find this post of you interesting and well-written. > But now all the old arguments are back seemingly taking the > place of the support once given. Very few are posting, > but there are some looking for help or simply support > and understanding. Much of the understanding that was here > is gone now. Some are new and may not understand what it > is they see here now. Some may be seeing this as one of > their last chances to reach out to another human. > It seems as if the energies of the group are misdirected > somewhat here. This is a support group.
You give a good picture of the actual state of this group. Looking at it closely, you’ll notice that only a very small number of posters keep provoking over and over. The stupid theories about "taking over the group", whatever this may mean, together with fantasies about authorities that will believe to such delire, are not validated by the more reasonable posters. If the nonsense keeps going on, I suggest you to ignore it, and maybe just forget the posters who asked for it. A very little number indeed. > I have never been able to give the kind of support that > I wanted to give, or that I felt in my heart. > When I see others reaching out in pain I hurt for them > because so much of what they feel I seem to know. > I want to help the ones that are reaching, I want to reach > back, but I find I am sorely missing whatever it > takes to do that. > How can I begin to help anyone else when I can’t help > myself?
Good point. You need some inner peace and strength to help others. Now, just think to your needs, the time will come. > I keep hitting brick walls in my own life and it seems > those walls are getting harder and rougher everyday. > A part of me wants to just give up and stop trying, > stop everything. Where can those that feel like I do, > or that are somehow lost in the dark go to find > understanding and support now? When I come > here now I find many of the very things I am running > from in my life.
There are some people who just can’t help hunting for targets to blame, because they’re unable to manage, or even to accept, their own anger. > I do know there are some valid and very important issues > at stake here and maybe these do need to be addressed. > It is not up to me to make that decision. > My question is has the purpose of this group been lost in > all the problems of the group?
The group will keep work in spite of all distruption caused by a minority, that’s for sure. What you, me, everybody can do is try to let it behind and not pay too much attention to it. If you are wondering at my taking part to the present nonsense, think all you want, but first ask to yourself: what if *you* were the target of a massive, gratuitous hate propaganda? After you’ve found the reply, feel free to tell me that I overreacted. > Bonnie
– All the best Raffaele <http://www.angelfire.com/mi/raffaele55/> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.
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Yes Bonnie.. As you see it has.. and I feel the same as you.. I won’t stay when this kinda garbage continues.. and it takes 2 or more to fight.. and it reflects badly on those who state they wish to support.. Stay in my email Bonnie… maybe someday those who don’t see what they themselves do hit 1.. hit 10 more.. how they have destroyed the *Support* of this group they all say they love.. they are not changeable.. and believe.. that they are justified by making others weaker in the long run and thus keeping support and the lonely from never healing in the long run.. just here for pity of them.. I personally am a healer and I believe you are also.. in this battle.. all healing now takes 10 steps backwards.. I am not (1) a destroyer of others in groups or teams or (2) someone who just seeks to keep other lonely people with them never growing inside and with me posting forever born of self pity. Pamela "Bonnie" <zan…@aol.com> wrote in message
news:19991204144432.18095.00000450@ng-ft1.aol.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I left the group recently for a short time, but I came back because I missed > the people, the caring and the support. But now all the old arguments are back > seemingly taking the place of the support once given. Very few are posting, > but there are some looking for help or simply support and understanding. Much > of the understanding that was here is gone now. Some are new and may not > understand what it is they see here now. Some may be seeing this as one of > their last chances to reach out to another human. It seems as if the energies > of the group are misdirected somewhat here. This is a support group. I have > never been able to give the kind of support that I wanted to give, or that I > felt in my heart. When I see others reaching out in pain I hurt for them > because so much of what they feel I seem to know. I want to help the ones that > are reaching, I want to reach back, but I find I am sorely missing whatever it > takes to do that. How can I begin to help anyone else when I can’t help > myself? I keep hitting brick walls in my own life and it seems those walls are > getting harder and rougher everyday. A part of me wants to just give up and > stop trying, stop everything. Where can those that feel like I do, or that are > somehow lost in the dark go to find understanding and support now? When I come > here now I find many of the very things I am running from in my life. I do > know there are some valid and very important issues at stake here and maybe > these do need to be addressed. It is not up to me to make that decision. My > question is has the purpose of this group been lost in all the problems of the > group? > Bonnie
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I left the group recently for a short time, but I came back because I missed the people, the caring and the support. But now all the old arguments are back seemingly taking the place of the support once given. Very few are posting, but there are some looking for help or simply support and understanding. Much of the understanding that was here is gone now. Some are new and may not understand what it is they see here now. Some may be seeing this as one of their last chances to reach out to another human. It seems as if the energies of the group are misdirected somewhat here. This is a support group. I have never been able to give the kind of support that I wanted to give, or that I felt in my heart. When I see others reaching out in pain I hurt for them because so much of what they feel I seem to know. I want to help the ones that are reaching, I want to reach back, but I find I am sorely missing whatever it takes to do that. How can I begin to help anyone else when I can’t help myself? I keep hitting brick walls in my own life and it seems those walls are getting harder and rougher everyday. A part of me wants to just give up and stop trying, stop everything. Where can those that feel like I do, or that are somehow lost in the dark go to find understanding and support now? When I come here now I find many of the very things I am running from in my life. I do know there are some valid and very important issues at stake here and maybe these do need to be addressed. It is not up to me to make that decision. My question is has the purpose of this group been lost in all the problems of the group? Bonnie
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nikki, i am so glad to hear that you are going to check out anad and oa meetings. know that initial anxiety is normal. i love my meetings and i am sure you will find them helpful. shell
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Ok, I am going to set some goals for once, and if I dont meet them, I wont beat myself up about them. 1) Call my primary care doctor and ask for a referral to a psychiatrist (for depression, anxiety and bulimia…and to get my meds situated) 2) Find an ANAD or OA group in my area. 3) THINK about the reasons WHY I binge/purge, and TRY to write these feelings down when I feel like I am on the verge of a bp episode. 4) not to let things people say upset me so (this one is hard!!!!!!)
Something my therapist taught me was to not try to "deny" emotions, because it’s almost impossible to do. They just happen and then we try and deal with them by submerging them in other things. he suggested that rather than telling ourselves that it was "wrong" to feel a certain way, it was more productive to try to pinpoint the emotion (anger, fear, loneliness, whatever), then accept that we feel like it, FEEL the hurt, think about why we feel like that, and write it down (or say it out loud in a private place where no-one can hear you). Have a good cry, maybe, just try accepting the feeling and letting go of it so that it can’t hurt you any more. Once the raw emotion is released, it’s also easier to think about things more rationally and put them into their perspective – for instance if someone was thoughtlessly rude or said something without realising that upset you, then you could think about ways of telling them that what they said upset you – and even if you didn’t actually say it to them (that’s a whole other story!), it’s a sort of practice for when you do feel able to do that. looks like you’ve made really positive plans for taking care of you – just take it one little bit at a time, ok. Even if you get to the end of the week having achieved one of your goals, that’s one more goal achieved along the path to recovery. Good luck! Fi – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -There…thats all for now….I have to start small. I have to admit, I am nervous about going to any ANAD or OA meetings….its as if I dont feel I "belong" there. But I will try. Love Nikki "… lost in the darkness of my own circumstance, criticizing echoes leaving me awake in the night… the barrier and blockades that keep me safe and in control while I pretend that I am okay… "
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Ok, I am going to set some goals for once, and if I dont meet them, I wont beat myself up about them. 1) Call my primary care doctor and ask for a referral to a psychiatrist (for depression, anxiety and bulimia…and to get my meds situated) 2) Find an ANAD or OA group in my area. 3) THINK about the reasons WHY I binge/purge, and TRY to write these feelings down when I feel like I am on the verge of a bp episode. 4) not to let things people say upset me so (this one is hard!!!!!!) There…thats all for now….I have to start small. I have to admit, I am nervous about going to any ANAD or OA meetings….its as if I dont feel I "belong" there. But I will try. Love Nikki "… lost in the darkness of my own circumstance, criticizing echoes leaving me awake in the night… the barrier and blockades that keep me safe and in control while I pretend that I am okay… "
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Aloha Michael, I’m sorry – It shouldn’t have to be like this.
You are right, it shouldn’t have to be like this. The attempts followed into my adult life too, however, my Mom has become a bit healthier over the past few years and has not been suicidal. I have so many damn accounts of her attempts I could fill a book with it. Aloha, Chris G It’s a hell of a long way home, why don’t you let me take you, it’s no good to go alone.
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I have to agree with the posting I read on suicide and it’s effects on the ones who love us. When we are at our lowest we don’t feel loved…but you probably are. I spent my childhood and teen years constantly keeping an eye over my mother. Her constant suicide attempts were destroying me as a child. I would try to feel her pain..maybe I tried to hard and I am forever living with this deep sadness, loneliness and fear.
((sorry to snip)) Chris, I know first hand what it’s like to have to endure the suicide attempts of someone you love. My mother attempted suicide on a number of occasions but I wasn’t a child, I was mid twenties up to mid thirties. People really have no idea unless they’ve experienced it first hand just how gut wrenchingly destroying it is to see someone close to you attempt to take their life near or in front of you. To even discuss it under needy circumstances (terminal illness, severe depression, etc) is horrendously difficult. But nothing can compare to suicide being used as leverage against you by someone you love. For that has to be the ultimate act of cruelty. But irrespective of motives – it hurts, it hurts a lot. I would return home to find my mother suspended from a rope in a half hearted attempt at ending her suffering. If a road roller rolled over me back and forth for weeks on end – it would have hurt less. I’m sorry – It shouldn’t have to be like this. Take care Michael
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I have to agree with the posting I read on suicide and it’s effects on the ones who love us. When we are at our lowest we don’t feel loved…but you probably are. I spent my childhood and teen years constantly keeping an eye over my mother. Her constant suicide attempts were destroying me as a child. I would try to feel her pain..maybe I tried to hard and I am forever living with this deep sadness, loneliness and fear. I missed out on my life. I missed out on having friends and school. I was forever sitting in classes in junior high and high shool and leaving class to walk 2 miles home to check on Mom. I became a loner in constant fear of her self induced death. It was like our secret. But I was a kid. What could I do. Grab the razors out of her hands when I would surprise her and show up in the middle of the day. My Mother’s suicide attempts were real. She finally had to start hiding from me. Just when I had a day that I thought things were OK everything went wrong. Mom was currently working as an Registered Nurse. She stole medication from work, went home sick from work. Stopping by the store to by a bottle of Vodka and hiding her car several blocks from home. She had about 12 hours to herself that day. Our garage was a storage mess. She hid herself behind stacks of boxes and covered her body in old carpet. She intended to die. She didn’t die. My sister went into the garage in the middle of the night to look for something. My sister heard bizare breathing coming from somewhere in the garage and called the police. It was Mom. I spent the next several days visiting her in the intensive care unit. The first evening they said to be prepared for her death. Yeah, that did something to me at the age of 15…and does to this day. She had several more attempts and spent a lot of time in hospitals…always starting with the emergency room and then the mental ward. She put herself in intensive care twice. I was always terrified I would loose her. I did love her. She felt unloved. My love wasn’t enough. I wasn’t worth her living for. I am older, wiser and understand depression now. Hell, about 5 years ago I attempted suicide…and not one of those attempts where I know someone will find me and I will be OK but everyone will pitty me. I planned it, found relief from it. I know where Mom was now. But now I know I could not do that to Mom. Chris G
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Hello ONE SOCK……. And so, here you are…. Welcome and please stay….. Your poem is lovely….. and we can see how happy you make your Chloe…… jan
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On 27 Sep 1998 18:46:35 GMT, luvz2…@aol.com (Luvz2laf) wrote: >Hello ONE SOCK…….
Hello to you too jan/Jan.. a name to treasure I am sure..the first month ever invented.. and the first of a new beginning.. >And so, here you are…. >Welcome and please stay…..
thankyou for your kindness and your welcome too..I will stay as long as I am allowed to do such a thing..but then I have so many things that I have to do and so much pain that I carry..I find so little time to even log into the net these days.. >Your poem is lovely….. >and we can see how happy you make your Chloe…… >jan
I seem to make the whole world happy from time to time..Though Chloe is one so similar to me and she too can shine so bright and bring the smiles to the saddest of faces.. She is somewhat of a very special person and another Angel from God himself..And you too have another very special Angel in this Ng..Someone too that reflects so much of myself..but then maybe just a little younger in soul..but he too is so special..Stand tall Ric and you too shine.. And thank you too for the kind words directed to the words of the small poem They too are much appreciated Thank you once more for the greeting to bring me..
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Thank you for this beautiful poem. A poem of pain. A poem of love. A poem of hope. Love, Caroline *** Life is mostly froth and bubble. Two things stand like stone: Kindness in another’s trouble Courage in your own. Al Gordon bright_li…@bigfoot.com heeft geschreven in bericht <361256ff.3201…@news.ukonline.co.uk>… : Here I am. : : : A small and broken Angel : That fell from high above : Was asked to null the pain he felt : And once again bring Love : So through the healing times he lives : And though he suffers pain : He’ll smile.. and let you see he loves : And shine out once again : So look into bright eyes of love : And never fear your pain : For he will always love you all : As God will do the same. : :
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ok, back to start… we can still pass go, though bright_li…@bigfoot.com wrote in message
<361256ff.3201…@news.ukonline.co.uk>… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Here I am. > A small and broken Angel > That fell from high above > Was asked to null the pain he felt > And once again bring Love > So through the healing times he lives > And though he suffers pain > He’ll smile.. and let you see he loves > And shine out once again > So look into bright eyes of love > And never fear your pain > For he will always love you all > As God will do the same.
wow, what an entrance… you should do this for a living… wait, you do… I mean you deserve to be paid for it too… of course our first reaction is – no way, paid for being me?… for doing what I want and love to do?… fr fulfilling myself and my purpose here?… how silly and so goes the life of a fallen angel never know where one is found for they are paid for other tasks and cry without a sound the last nice guy after the last the woman unobserved the truth that when the curtain falls they’ll get what hey deserved… still feed me cries the human flesh and keep me safe and warm protect me from the elements and from the human storm the spirit sighs and smiles again to do what it is asked to fit into a world today the angel must be masked… one might work right across from you or live just down the street the last angel to slip and fall might be the next person you meet the weary day comes to an end and so few eyes can see the deeper meaning of a friend is heaven sent to me… honest love, ric remembering that heaven to me, is right here in my mind… and I feel part of the energy, that most seek a god to find…
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Ric!!! You kindred F***ing spirit you!!!! Thankyou, thankyou, thankyou. love you *even* more Robin – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -ric wrote in message … >ok, back to start… we can still pass go, though >bright_li…@bigfoot.com wrote in message ><361256ff.3201…@news.ukonline.co.uk>… >> Here I am. >> A small and broken Angel >> That fell from high above >> Was asked to null the pain he felt >> And once again bring Love >> So through the healing times he lives >> And though he suffers pain >> He’ll smile.. and let you see he loves >> And shine out once again >> So look into bright eyes of love >> And never fear your pain >> For he will always love you all >> As God will do the same. >wow, what an entrance… you should do this for a living… wait, you >do… I mean you deserve to be paid for it too… of course our first >reaction is – no way, paid for being me?… for doing what I want and >love to do?… fr fulfilling myself and my purpose here?… how silly >and so goes the life of a fallen angel >never know where one is found >for they are paid for other tasks >and cry without a sound >the last nice guy after the last >the woman unobserved >the truth that when the curtain falls >they’ll get what hey deserved… >still feed me cries the human flesh >and keep me safe and warm >protect me from the elements >and from the human storm >the spirit sighs and smiles again >to do what it is asked >to fit into a world today >the angel must be masked… >one might work right across from you >or live just down the street >the last angel to slip and fall >might be the next person you meet >the weary day comes to an end >and so few eyes can see >the deeper meaning of a friend >is heaven sent to me… >honest love, ric >remembering that heaven to me, is right here in my mind… >and I feel part of the energy, that most seek a god to find…
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I’ve been looking for my other sock everywhere… now to work on pulling you up, for we don’t want a droopy sock, right? omigosh, if I keep this up, I might remember I semi-promised a semi-regular Sock Report (apologies to CB, my other sock, and all people with feet… in fact, apologies to the footless too… but just imagine being a sock in a footless world?… oh jeesh OS, I hope that won’t give you nightmares tonight a while back… but then I’d have to remember how I got there… somehow I got on a train and transferred a couple of times… good ol’ dejanews can remind me… The Sock Report was the third train, as I recall… train of thought, that is… there was something about pink panties in a bunch, but don’t worry my friend, they started out as white light too… they just got stuck in the wash with a red hankie or T-Shirt or something… anyway, geee but it’s good to be back home… home is where I wanna be… oh wait, nobody asked for Simon & Garfunkel… on to your words Bright Eyes wrote in message <361125ec.34993…@news.ukonline.co.uk>… >On 27 Sep 1998 22:57:55 GMT, luvz2…@aol.com (Luvz2laf) wrote: > To you all for your welcomes..your kind words..they are all so very much >appreciated.. I am not usually one for posting in Ng’s, in fact it’s very rare >indeed.. I guess I am like most people out there..where they tend to >watch rather than participate..
in the ordinary course of events, this response to you should be dated a few weeks from now… I could change the date as I did on the ASL Web Site announcement (after all, Brad predicted tomorrow and it’s still not quite yet tomorrow yet, but that’s another thread I haven’t jumped ahead to yet) but that would be cheating … see, except for a few weeks when the posts (and cupboards) were bare, I’ve been a couple or few weeks behind… picking up the rear, so to speak… and some fine rears I’ve – well, that too is a different thread I’ve not jumped ahead to LOL anyway, I am so happy I decided to slide down the time line and check newer posts and for some reason your email had me clicking… I’ll get to that sadder poem later, after I provoke and prode and tickle and torture some giggles and smiles out of you (you don’t want me lay nakred and prostrate to beg, now do ya? thanks better… you do have a beautiful smile, Chloe’s definitely right oh yeah, glad you could make it… welcome and all that good stuff, pip pip too > As to my compliment to you Jan..well..Angels too need to know they are >appreciated..and if you are as you say..a sister Angel of Chloe..then a >special Angel you are indeed..He knew what he was doing when he set >that one free..and if Chloe has left her halo..well I am sure she would >know it is in good hands..
we’re all angels, it’s just that some of us don’t know it and kinda get duped into the "free wing clipping" promotions they’ve got out and about these days… it’s ok though, wings grow back if you let them… all you have to do is stop being afraid they won’t > Ric too..well a special one he his..as he reflects so much of me..his >words, his heart and his soul..his thoughts and his love for others..
I know, your modesty keeps you from praising me more highly LAM… don’t worry, I won’t let too many of our secrets out… born of different wombs but from the same spirit toward the same tombs no need to fear it life is a party just grin and bear it all hearts sing one song for those who hear it from darkness to light to whiteness and love in life let us be all we can dream of let go of fear it will leave you hollow just open the heart and the mind will follow and even in darkness the garden still grows and caring does not depend on when it shows breath in love, breath out let go of all grief for faith found in love will restore belief hmmm, I seem to be starting to address your poem at the start of this thread… see, the caring contnues even in a laughing silly giddy mood… sorry, it just couldn’t be helped > Thanks too to you..Raffaele (the joker).. for the smile you put upon
my >face .. something that is much needed these days.. but then..the light will >start to shine once more..I am sure..especially with you people around.. Raff, funny?… ha… ha ha… ha ha ha ha… ha he he ho ho he ha ho ha he he ha ha ho ho… actually, he is… very… especially when he isn’t grading exams > And you too..Mr.Ordinary Bloke.. whomever you are..Well.. I will stay >around as long as I can..but as for the drink..well..that is an alien
thing for >me..unless of course you are offering Coffee..thanks again to you for >your kind words.. OB?… actually I’ve found hi to be kinda shy oh I am in a teasing mood tonight, huh?… well, we all like a good tease now and then, don’t we?… why is he bringing out those seven veils?… > Then there is you too Robin..What can one say.. Someone with a name >like that should know all about flying.. But then..don’t you fret too
much >about my wings..one day they will spread again and I will shine down >once more..there is no fear..just a pain right now.. oh yes, we won’t let the ol’ sock droop for too long … and while I’m on the subject, frets belong on guitars and other string instruments, by the way … pain passes, fear gasses… or was it – pain passes, fear passes gasses?… I always forget that one fear not when you care, for it is when you *don’t* care that you truly have something to fear… platitudes R us… that’s us, the plural pronoun (have I got my grammar right? LAM and not a referece to the land of the free… though platitudes are them too see what you get for knowing me?… babble like I know ya LAM > You too Gina..hmm..some special words there too from you..I don’t >mind you keeping the words I wrote..Some more are to follow..that I am >sure the world should see..but then only a few have right now..and then >maybe they would understand just what they can do, when they have no >thought for the feelings of others..of Gods own..But as for you
collecting >Angels..well..I am sure it is the opposite way around..try not to collect too >many..as they are very few and far between.. yes G, don’t be greedy … after all, an angel hug lasts ten times longer than any other hug… it’s been proven with laboratory mice… that was the first test done where the mice didn’t die, but didn’t mind if they did > And you..Miss Kitty Chloe..Breakfast is served..with a smile too..and >then you can remember to go pick up that halo…after you pull up that >sock
the sock does have class, I must say … and the light is brighter already around here… it’s such a lovefest I think I’m gonna qvell… oh yes, I must – go ahead talk amongst yourselves LOL LAM <qvelling> =) >Love you all >One Sock…
oh I’ll bet you say that to all the alls ok… I see deep water ahead… ready or not, here goes… >===================================================================== > Forgiveness Encircled and Intertwined >He died alone,once more in pain
but never think he lived in vain > His feelings never felt
for too pure, they would melt >But still, he did forgive them all
though most still ignore his call > For cards, he had been dealt hunted for his pelt >Forgiveness, that is all he asked
but lies were chains still not unmasked > Forgive what.?, they all cried the human genocide >And once again a knife was drawn
another sacrificial pawn > Then thrust into his side
to seek new life, he died… >A Knight, a Prince, a King of men
don’t let it happen, not again > What was it they could see
just love and honesty >For he was only Human as we all began >He was really only me..
to feel another’s destiny >Eight letters..’I am Sorry’
but they turned away the lorry >Eight letters from within
where love is not a sin >But no one ever heard those words
except angels and hummingbirds >They were never listening
still a singer’s soul must sing >So, once again, he was judged
the same old fear not even budged > For crimes he hadn’t done
for battles can’t be won >For sins he had committed
the guilty are aquitted > When there was never one
for deeds he hadn’t done >His eyes so full of anguish
to see misery languish >So warm yet filled with pain
love’s tears fell down like rain >Looked once more, to heaven bound
said farewell without a sound > Then he cried out once again
they thought he was insane >’Forgive them all’
they laughed, that’s all > He smiled, then slept, promises kept > and peace fell Silently
gave birth to destiny >For then, and only then they saw..
evil has no paw or claw > Just what they’d done to me to protect vanity > And then, they ask, for their forgiveness
and then, they meet, all their loneliness so they fill more books upon more shelves and praise what was left behind when what they need is within themselves an open heart and mind seek your grace outside yourself and you’ll find loneliness self-forgiveness is the key to lifelong happiness hope you don’t mind, I’d probably colour in my own visions on the Cistine (sp) Chapel cieling given half a chance always reaching for whiter light, for truer truth, for more precious and beautiful and honest love… when my hand slips, I do my best to forgive myself, trusting I will follow through on my intentions to continue on my chosen path… always reaching for… honest love, ric
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On 27 Sep 1998 22:57:55 GMT, luvz2…@aol.com (Luvz2laf) wrote: To you all for your welcomes..your kind words..they are all so very much appreciated.. I am not usually one for posting in Ng’s, in fact it’s very rare indeed.. I guess I am like most people out there..where they tend to watch rather than participate.. As to my compliment to you Jan..well..Angels too need to know they are appreciated..and if you are as you say..a sister Angel of Chloe..then a special Angel you are indeed..He knew what he was doing when he set that one free..and if Chloe has left her halo..well I am sure she would know it is in good hands.. Ric too..well a special one he his..as he reflects so much of me..his words, his heart and his soul..his thoughts and his love for others.. Thanks too to you..Raffaele (the joker).. for the smile you put upon my face .. something that is much needed these days.. but then..the light will start to shine once more..I am sure..especially with you people around.. And you too..Mr.Ordinary Bloke.. whomever you are..Well.. I will stay around as long as I can..but as for the drink..well..that is an alien thing for me..unless of course you are offering Coffee..thanks again to you for your kind words.. Then there is you too Robin..What can one say.. Someone with a name like that should know all about flying.. But then..don’t you fret too much about my wings..one day they will spread again and I will shine down once more..there is no fear..just a pain right now.. You too Gina..hmm..some special words there too from you..I don’t mind you keeping the words I wrote..Some more are to follow..that I am sure the world should see..but then only a few have right now..and then maybe they would understand just what they can do, when they have no thought for the feelings of others..of Gods own..But as for you collecting Angels..well..I am sure it is the opposite way around..try not to collect too many..as they are very few and far between.. And you..Miss Kitty Chloe..Breakfast is served..with a smile too..and then you can remember to go pick up that halo…after you pull up that sock Love you all One Sock… ===================================================================== Forgiveness Encircled He died alone,once more in pain His feelings never felt But still, he did forgive them all For cards, he had been dealt Forgiveness, that is all he asked Forgive what.?, they all cried And once again a knife was drawn Then thrust into his side A Knight, a Prince, a King of men What was it they could see For he was only Human He was really only me.. Eight letters..’I am Sorry’ Eight letters from within But no one ever heard those words They were never listening So, once again, he was judged For crimes he hadn’t done For sins he had committed When there was never one His eyes so full of anguish So warm yet filled with pain Looked once more, to heaven bound Then he cried out once again ‘Forgive them all’ He smiled, then slept, and peace fell Silently For then, and only then they saw.. Just what they’d done to me And then, they ask, for their forgiveness
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XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX My halo is safely where it belongs, my One, as your own angel eyes allow you to see…. those eyes of One who’s Love and Spirit can see, from halo to halo…:)….Not stained, not crooked, not missing, and clawlesss…T:)T:). For never could angel eyes stain Love, never would it wish to see claws where Loving hands are, and never crooked would it see, for angels know the Hurt that comes from those that can not know of angel pain…Of Love met by fear, by fear of Love…. You know that a halo can only remain exactly where the Boss has put it, no matter what pain comes along, for you hurt the hurt of angels from those that tried to rip your wings, that feared you would fly higher than them, and that your halo shed too much light and smiles for their eyes and mouth to reflect….. Just like yours is intact forever, so is mine…… The Joy it brings more than compensates the pains, as long as Love remains…. My sock slips sometimes, when I need to know you are around where I then hurt the hurt of void when I see you not….. But I know that always we will be there, you to help me pull up that sock, as I will yours, each time life tries to pull it down… My Angel of all… My half coconut halo will always remain right on my head, just as your pineapple halo does……For all those that Love to know there is a "love battery recharger" right under the neon halo sign…. Godly Love Angel Love and my Chloe Love too (((((((((((((((((((X)))))))))))))))))))) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Bright Eyes (bright_li…@bigfoot.com) writes: > On 27 Sep 1998 22:57:55 GMT, luvz2…@aol.com (Luvz2laf) wrote: > To you all for your welcomes..your kind words..they are all so very much > appreciated.. I am not usually one for posting in Ng’s, in fact it’s very rare > indeed.. I guess I am like most people out there..where they tend to watch > rather than participate.. > As to my compliment to you Jan..well..Angels too need to know they are > appreciated..and if you are as you say..a sister Angel of Chloe..then a special > Angel you are indeed..He knew what he was doing when he set that one free..and > if Chloe has left her halo..well I am sure she would know it is in good hands.. > Ric too..well a special one he his..as he reflects so much of me..his words, > his heart and his soul..his thoughts and his love for others.. > Thanks too to you..Raffaele (the joker).. for the smile you put upon my face .. > something that is much needed these days.. but then..the light will start to > shine once more..I am sure..especially with you people around.. > And you too..Mr.Ordinary Bloke.. whomever you are..Well.. I will stay around as > long as I can..but as for the drink..well..that is an alien thing for me..unless > of course you are offering Coffee..thanks again to you for your kind words.. > Then there is you too Robin..What can one say.. Someone with a name like that > should know all about flying.. But then..don’t you fret too much about my > wings..one day they will spread again and I will shine down once more..there is > no fear..just a pain right now.. > You too Gina..hmm..some special words there too from you..I don’t mind you > keeping the words I wrote..Some more are to follow..that I am sure the world > should see..but then only a few have right now..and then maybe they would > understand just what they can do, when they have no thought for the feelings of > others..of Gods own..But as for you collecting Angels..well..I am sure it is the > opposite way around..try not to collect too many..as they are very few and far > between.. > And you..Miss Kitty Chloe..Breakfast is served..with a smile too..and then you > can remember to go pick up that halo…after you pull up that sock > Love you all > One Sock… > ===================================================================== > Forgiveness Encircled > He died alone,once more in pain > His feelings never felt > But still, he did forgive them all > For cards, he had been dealt > Forgiveness, that is all he asked > Forgive what.?, they all cried > And once again a knife was drawn > Then thrust into his side > A Knight, a Prince, a King of men > What was it they could see > For he was only Human > He was really only me.. > Eight letters..’I am Sorry’ > Eight letters from within > But no one ever heard those words > They were never listening > So, once again, he was judged > For crimes he hadn’t done > For sins he had committed > When there was never one > His eyes so full of anguish > So warm yet filled with pain > Looked once more, to heaven bound > Then he cried out once again > ‘Forgive them all’ > He smiled, then slept, > and peace fell Silently > For then, and only then they saw.. > Just what they’d done to me > And then, they ask, for their forgiveness
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A very beautiful and inspiring piece of poetry. Thank you for sharing it with us. I’m an avid collector of Angels…and I would like to keep a copy of your poetry if you don’t mind. Hugs, Gina "Don’t be afraid to care Leave, but don’t leave me Look around and choose your own ground For long you live and high you fly And smiles you’ll give and tears you’ll cry And all you touch and all you see Is all your life will ever be. – Pink Floyd
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Chloe….this is your One Sock ?! No wonder you are so smitten with him. You didn’t tell us he could write so beautifully….and you know how much we all love poetry !!! Oh yes….he will have to come back or we’ll just have to go after him. What d’ya say, Chloe ? Mustn’t let all that talent go to waste !! Smiles, Gina "Don’t be afraid to care Leave, but don’t leave me Look around and choose your own ground For long you live and high you fly And smiles you’ll give and tears you’ll cry And all you touch and all you see Is all your life will ever be. – Pink Floyd
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In article <361f883c.15806…@news.ukonline.co.uk>, bright_li…@bigfoot.com (Bright Eyes) wrote: >I will stay as long as I am > allowed to do such a thing..but then I have so many things that I have to do and > so much pain that I carry..I find so little time to even log into the net these > days..
Hi, One Sock Nice to see you here, hope you’ll stick around, crack open a beer, put your feet up and get comfortable! But I know exactly the feeling you describe. I wish I had more time too…. All I would like to say is that I have made some really good friends on this group, and I am sure you will too, apart from the friends and the more-than-friend you already have;) I am really glad to see you here and I know everyone else is too. Stick around, OK?:) Best wishes Ordinary Bloke —–== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==—– http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp Create Your Own Free Member Forum
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One Sock…. Thank you for the compliment to me and for your astute observation on…. yes…. I will say it…"our angel" ric ^i^ He is indeed a very special man and a good friend. Did Chloe mention we are sister angels ^i^…. its true…she hitched a ride on my cloud comming down here and in her haste to get things started left her Halo behind…I have it whenever she wants to collect it :) I am so glad you are here…. jan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>Hello ONE SOCK……. > Hello to you too jan/Jan.. a name to treasure I am sure..the first month >ever >invented.. and the first of a new beginning.. >>And so, here you are…. >>Welcome and please stay….. > thankyou for your kindness and your welcome too..I will stay as long as I am >allowed to do such a thing..but then I have so many things that I have to do >and >so much pain that I carry..I find so little time to even log into the net >these >days.. >>Your poem is lovely….. >>and we can see how happy you make your Chloe…… >>jan > I seem to make the whole world happy from time to time..Though Chloe is one >so >similar to me and she too can shine so bright and bring the smiles to the >saddest of faces.. She is somewhat of a very special person and another Angel >from God himself..And you too have another very special Angel in this >Ng..Someone too that reflects so much of myself..but then maybe just a little >younger in soul..but he too is so special..Stand tall Ric and you too shine.. > And thank you too for the kind words directed to the words of the small poem >They too are much appreciated > Thank you once more for the greeting to bring me..
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Hi One Sock! She gotcha then! Welcome dear friend of the lovely Chloe. We’ll have to see if we can’t make you feel at home here for a while. Don’t stay too long though cause you’re supposed to heal that pain and fly again….ok? Love Robin bright_li…@bigfoot.com wrote in message
<361256ff.3201…@news.ukonline.co.uk>… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Here I am. > A small and broken Angel > That fell from high above > Was asked to null the pain he felt > And once again bring Love > So through the healing times he lives > And though he suffers pain > He’ll smile.. and let you see he loves > And shine out once again > So look into bright eyes of love > And never fear your pain > For he will always love you all > As God will do the same.
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On Sun, 27 Sep 1998 18:50:42 GMT, bry…@geocities.com (Morris "Marris" Cox) wrote: >Nice poem. I like it. Here’s one of mine that I wrote about half a >year ago. >—– >This is my third poem. It’s a two-layer poem. Meaning that it’s about >true friends and about Jesus. I often walk up behind someone and stand >behind their shoulder and they don’t know that I’m there. My favorite >part is "You can see it in his eyes, no matter how hard he tries." >Here’s to true friends.
So many true words in there too.. such sweetness brought from deep within you For there in the very depths lies the truth of all our feelings.. And thankyou too for the kind words that you too bring and give to my words.. and thankyou for the welcome.. There are so many words that lie deep inside of me.. and inside each soul..they all have so many special meanings to each and everyone.. Take care..
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Hi Chloe & One Sock! Welcome in ASL, One Sock. Thanks for the poetry, too, that makes a nice presentation. And be4 proceeding, please note: *** Warning: humor inside. Don’t read if you are not in good mood *** Still here? Oh well… You’re talking of angels… here I come… Mr. One Sock! Sure, One is the name and Sock the sure-name, or not? Whatever… Talking of socks, I came across a site (sorry for not having the URL, it was some time ago) were I’ve found some funny stuff about missing socks, where they go? An alien conspiracy or what? This may provide a good explanation of the fact that they usually are miss-ed, even if they should rather be mister-ed. Anyway, being at bigfoot maybe one is large enough. Love, hugs, pink panties, laundry, … in no precise order (I’m cracking up) to all! Welcome again, OneSock, and have pun at ASL! Raffaele (the joker) In article <6uluue$…@freenet-news.carleton.ca>, bc…@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Eleonore Beaudoin) wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hello, One Sock Bright Eyes!:):) > (*(*(*(*(*(*(*ONE SOCK *)*)*)*)*)*)*) > There you go people… > THANK YOU!!!:):) > we got a first reply out of the Master Of all Loving Lonely > Socks! > (He waits behind your laundry machine to snatch them, he’s > the one (sorry Ric for pointing fingers L:)) > Bright Eyes……… > What a wonderfully fitting name for thet Light you Shine, > my One…… > Please be back again to play? Please stay…? > Pretty please? > ((And btw, a potato would be great!:):))) > Going to business client on this Sunday afternoon, but hope > to read more of you and more replies to your wonderful writings > when I am back, for no one brings me Light as you do……… > Love you immensely………One Sock Immensity Love…… > Chloe > (bright_li…@bigfoot.com) writes: > > Here I am. > > A small and broken Angel > > That fell from high above > > Was asked to null the pain he felt > > And once again bring Love > > So through the healing times he lives > > And though he suffers pain > > He’ll smile.. and let you see he loves > > And shine out once again > > So look into bright eyes of love > > And never fear your pain > > For he will always love you all > > As God will do the same.
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Here I am. A small and broken Angel That fell from high above Was asked to null the pain he felt And once again bring Love So through the healing times he lives And though he suffers pain He’ll smile.. and let you see he loves And shine out once again So look into bright eyes of love And never fear your pain For he will always love you all As God will do the same.
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Hello, One Sock Bright Eyes!:):) (*(*(*(*(*(*(*ONE SOCK *)*)*)*)*)*)*) There you go people… THANK YOU!!!:):) we got a first reply out of the Master Of all Loving Lonely Socks! (He waits behind your laundry machine to snatch them, he’s the one (sorry Ric for pointing fingers L:)) Bright Eyes……… What a wonderfully fitting name for thet Light you Shine, my One…… Please be back again to play? Please stay…? Pretty please? ((And btw, a potato would be great!:):))) Going to business client on this Sunday afternoon, but hope to read more of you and more replies to your wonderful writings when I am back, for no one brings me Light as you do……… Love you immensely………One Sock Immensity Love…… Chloe – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text - (bright_li…@bigfoot.com) writes: > Here I am. > A small and broken Angel > That fell from high above > Was asked to null the pain he felt > And once again bring Love > So through the healing times he lives > And though he suffers pain > He’ll smile.. and let you see he loves > And shine out once again > So look into bright eyes of love > And never fear your pain > For he will always love you all > As God will do the same.
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— LONELINESS "It is no new thing to be lonely. It comes to all of us sooner or later … if we face it, if we remember that there are a million others like us, if we try to reach out to comfort them and not ourselves, we find in the end we are lonely no longer. We are in a new family, the family of man…" Morris L. West The Devil’s Advocate – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –
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what’s dramamine? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – no, no. 15, stuck in the cabin of the boat, waves churning your head and everything else in a slow, agonizing twist, no air movement, led zepplin of all things on the stereo, barely any land in sight, a bathroom filed between a makeshift bedroom and children’s room/kitchen/diningroom/livingroom, dramamine snuck into your oatmeal that morning, being paid a nickel for every fly you kill and show to a parent, the thought of 5 more days alone with the family and nothing more than a deck of cards.
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no, no. 15, stuck in the cabin of the boat, waves churning your head and everything else in a slow, agonizing twist, no air movement, led zepplin of all things on the stereo, barely any land in sight, a bathroom filed between a makeshift bedroom and children’s room/kitchen/diningroom/livingroom, dramamine snuck into your oatmeal that morning, being paid a nickel for every fly you kill and show to a parent, the thought of 5 more days alone with the family and nothing more than a deck of cards. then, add olive loaf to the equation and tell me what food, 10 years later, will make you ill. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – — LONELINESS "It is no new thing to be lonely. It comes to all of us sooner or later … if we face it, if we remember that there are a million others like us, if we try to reach out to comfort them and not ourselves, we find in the end we are lonely no longer. We are in a new family, the family of man…" Morris L. West The Devil’s Advocate
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really. i’m only traumatized through deli meat. i’m fine. family vacations. that’s life. thanks for the sweetness though, peeps. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – |my God. | |sorry i made a joke. | Me too….. (((((((((((((((((((((Mena))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
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| | no, no. | | 15, stuck in the cabin of the boat, waves churning your head and | everything else in a slow, agonizing twist, no air movement, led zepplin | of all things on the stereo, barely any land in sight, a bathroom filed | between a makeshift bedroom and children’s | room/kitchen/diningroom/livingroom, dramamine snuck into your oatmeal | that morning, being paid a nickel for every fly you kill and show to a | parent, the thought of 5 more days alone with the family and nothing more | than a deck of cards. | | then, add olive loaf to the equation and tell me what food, 10 years | later, will make you ill. | |my God. | |sorry i made a joke. | Me too….. (((((((((((((((((((((Mena))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
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what’s dramamine?
Drug for motion sickness, psychoactive one too. Horrible stuff. — bev . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . http://members.tripod.com/~Veb
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Hello my name is Salih (male) I would like to meet somebody who want to be my penfriend. I am 18 years old. I am a student of electricity and electronic department at the Black Sea Technical University in Turkey I like using computer and listening music. Especially I like listening classical music. my e-mail addresses salihme…@yahoo.com salihme…@mailcity.com
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hello Salih… I am not here much from monday to friday because I work a lot and I am still catching up on posts (as you see, I’m just getting to yours I’d like to encouage you to post again if you haven’t already… sometimes one message isn’t picked up by some news servers – if could be nobody saw your post… and while this is not really a meeting service type group or any sort of personals or dating service, people do find friends here… most of us come here because we experience loneliness… O am lonely a lot and I found the group by searching for the word – I figured I could use some support to ease the challenge of lonliness… I have found friends here… wonderful friends… and it takes some time, a few weeks at least and a gew posts at least (heck, I don’t think I actually felt comfortable and felt like I had friends here for a couple of months when I started… but once I started opening up and telling my story… what brought me here… and I expessed my feelings about myself and about things other people posted… I started getting responses and gradually got to know people through their words and more gradually earned their trust and respect and they earned my trust and respect… every week I find new people – potential friends… I’d like to welcome every one… time doesn’t permit that and I haven’t wanted to post a "generic welcome" to every new person I see here, though the words I write in each welcome say almost the exact same thing… please share more of yourself and participate in the discussions you find here… please offer positive support if you find it in you… please let us know you and offer you support and friendship… make yourself comfortable and I hope to see you posting again honest love, ric honest love, ric IRL (IN REAL LIFE): please understand my life is so busy these days that my on-line time is limited to weekends, so expect responses from me only once a week for a while (but I still eagerly look for your responses typos are free, so I include lots something to say to me?… write! (click reply to author) when I have time, I’ll include my ICQ # again for more info, other paths (most yet to be discovered or created), and possibly shocking disclosures (or at least more babble) check out http://www.hotstart.com/wp/hotstartanon.shtml and for the latest info about me in this life (real? surf over to http://members.wbs.net/homepages/a/n/o/anonanon.html * * * * * pages last added to on August 7, 1998 * * * * * salihme…@yahoo.com wrote in message
<01bdbe90$5240fa00$5f8840c3@Escort-Net>… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hello my name is Salih (male) > I would like to meet somebody who want to be my penfriend. > I am 18 years old. > I am a student of electricity and electronic department at the Black >Sea Technical University in Turkey > I like using computer and listening music. Especially I like listening >classical music. > my e-mail addresses >salihme…@yahoo.com >salihme…@mailcity.com
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Just some thoughts… It’s so easy to get caught up in fretting over the past, and it doesn’t do any good. When you say you think how many years you have lost – surely you did something during those years? Went to school, went to work, read a book, etc.? They’re not wasted years just because you weren’t in a relationship. (I used to rather obsessively figure out how long it was since the last time I had sex…. and no, I will not tell you the current answer!) Also – it isn’t always so easy to be a blonde with large breasts – I know, because I am one (although not so young anymore). Yes, you get hit on, but often men assume you are not too bright (it’s not possible for someone to have both breasts and brains, I guess) – they’re looking for a blonde bimbo. This isn’t the way to a real relationship, at least it wasn’t for me. Finally, shyness. My third son is quite shy, the only one in our family, and I’ve watched him work on it over the years. He makes a point of signing up for all kinds of activities – clubs at school, recreational things in the community, and even looks for part-time where he will meet lots of new people. At first, he feels awkward. But as he works with people, he gradually gets to feel comfortable with them and the shyness wears off. It takes him longer than it does many people, but he’s come to accept that as part of his personality. You’re not starting from nothing – you are starting from today, and that’s all any of us have. Teresa
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Hi Chris, I fully understand your feelings of anger. Life is so unfair. And I do think you have reasons for feeling angry. It isn’t just your own fault that you are lonely. But you are probably the only one who can do anything about it. /Kent
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I’ve been kind of the pariah since I was 8. The only true friends I ever had was online. Jesus, I would probably commit suicide if I let my phone/modem get disconnected for more than 3 days. You have a right to be angry and fustrated at life itself but try not to let it get to you or it’ll be much much worst. Personally, I find that the best way to relieve this anger would be just to give up on life, not care anymore, and go out and do what you’ve been afraid to do all your life and just act like there’s no tomorrow. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -CWY34 wrote: > I recently posted for the first time and thank you for all of your caring > responses. I guess part of my problem recently seems to be the fact that I > focus on the years that I have lost in loneliness. I basically have had no > close relationships for many years. I am only 24 yet since the age of 13 I have > not even had a best friend. Recently, I let my phone disconnect for two years! > Not many people can function that way yet it really didn’t make much difference > in my life for I knew no one. Anyway, over the past year or so I have really > tried to turn things around. I got into the theater group at school, worked out > every day at the health club and started bartending at night. Yet I am starting > to realize that a lot of anger has built up over these years of isolation. I > am angry at the world for letting this happen to me. I someitmes look at some > young, blond haired girl with big tits and just know that she has probably had > a social life handed to her on a platter with guys hitting on her all the time > and it is frustrating. I feel like in god’s ten commandments he should have > added…"thou shault not be shy" because jesus, that seems like the greatest > sin of all..for it leads to terrible punishment…loneliness. I don’t want to > be this angry. I really am trying to accept responsibility for my loneliness > and realize that it is a direct result of my actions in life. It’s just hard > for me not to feel angry and cheated by life sometimes. Hope some of you can > understand. > CHRIS
– Yours sincerely, Simon — This e-mail does not use any endangered species of text. It is environment friendly and all the text can be recycled. For PGP key finger milky…@finger.concentric.net My ICQ UIN is 2086171 My AIM Nickname is SLVoid —–BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK—– Version: 3.12 GCS/CM/SS d? s–: a— C++>$ UL P L+ E– W++ N+++ O K? W+ O- M– V– PS@ PE- Y+ PGP+ t++(*) 5+ X+++ R tv(++) b++ DI+++ D+ G+ e- h! r–(—) !y+ —–END GEEK CODE BLOCK—– Useless quote of the day: "You want to commit suicide? I’ll tell you how, old age, it’s the slowest damn method, but so far, it’s been proven to be 100% successful."
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -CWY34 wrote: > I recently posted for the first time and thank you for all of your caring > responses. I guess part of my problem recently seems to be the fact that I > focus on the years that I have lost in loneliness. I basically have had no > close relationships for many years. I am only 24 yet since the age of 13 I have > not even had a best friend. Recently, I let my phone disconnect for two years! > Not many people can function that way yet it really didn’t make much difference > in my life for I knew no one. Anyway, over the past year or so I have really > tried to turn things around. I got into the theater group at school, worked out > every day at the health club and started bartending at night. Yet I am starting > to realize that a lot of anger has built up over these years of isolation. I > am angry at the world for letting this happen to me. I someitmes look at some > young, blond haired girl with big tits and just know that she has probably had > a social life handed to her on a platter with guys hitting on her all the time > and it is frustrating. I feel like in god’s ten commandments he should have > added…"thou shault not be shy" because jesus, that seems like the greatest > sin of all..for it leads to terrible punishment…loneliness. I don’t want to > be this angry. I really am trying to accept responsibility for my loneliness > and realize that it is a direct result of my actions in life. It’s just hard > for me not to feel angry and cheated by life sometimes. Hope some of you can > understand. > CHRIS
Chris, I think many can understand. I didn’t experience the "anger", but I can understand how it can be felt. Shyness is so difficult. I still don’t think that I’ve overcome it, but I am able to push it into the background and have literally trained myself to seem outgoing and confident. So, I’m proof that it can be done. But, sometime, you still have to let "someone" know the real *you*. That, was never possible for me, until just recently. Then, again, shyness was only one of many factors in my makeup as I’m sure it is in others, yourself included. You can feel angry and cheated, but you still do have to *do* something to change things. Not everyone can sit around and be rescued from themselves. It sounds like you’re making a good start. Just keep at it, and keep telling us your feelings. The hardest part for me, was being honest about my feelings, <laugh> I should have said, even realizing I had any and then admitting that I had any. Those who have been here long enough, have watched me grow here. And I have watched others. It’s strange how the "caring" here helps us. For me, it has been slow, it seems, and I am still working on myself. At first, each time I shared something of myself, here, it had to be torn from me, and then I regretted it. I find it easier now. I never did post an "introduction" as many of you have. Never did tell my "story". I could not and cannot. It comes out in bits and pieces. I envy you your ability to speak your feelings. I know that will help you and help us to help you. Hugs, J — May I Always Live Where The Sky Is Open Fences Are Not, And The Spirit Walks. A Sioux Perspective
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I recently posted for the first time and thank you for all of your caring responses. I guess part of my problem recently seems to be the fact that I focus on the years that I have lost in loneliness. I basically have had no close relationships for many years. I am only 24 yet since the age of 13 I have not even had a best friend. Recently, I let my phone disconnect for two years! Not many people can function that way yet it really didn’t make much difference in my life for I knew no one. Anyway, over the past year or so I have really tried to turn things around. I got into the theater group at school, worked out every day at the health club and started bartending at night. Yet I am starting to realize that a lot of anger has built up over these years of isolation. I am angry at the world for letting this happen to me. I someitmes look at some young, blond haired girl with big tits and just know that she has probably had a social life handed to her on a platter with guys hitting on her all the time and it is frustrating. I feel like in god’s ten commandments he should have added…"thou shault not be shy" because jesus, that seems like the greatest sin of all..for it leads to terrible punishment…loneliness. I don’t want to be this angry. I really am trying to accept responsibility for my loneliness and realize that it is a direct result of my actions in life. It’s just hard for me not to feel angry and cheated by life sometimes. Hope some of you can understand. CHRIS
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As usual, there is a song going through my head. This is a normal state for me. As I played it through to the end, I realized it was "Are you lonely tonight?" Yes. Yes. A million times, yes. I am lonely tonight. Bluebird Are you lonely tonight, too?
bluebird, i feel your loneliness vicariously, which doesn’t take anything away from its realness. i’m particularly tuned to your new journey, since separation has been a possibility in my marriage for quite some time, but a strange kind of possibility, at once the promised land and the fifth circle of hell. I don’t think either of us has the guts to find out if there’s a better life for us apart from one another. It’s almost as if we have to detonate a nuclear bomb, and to do so on faith that things will all be better for having done so. I do much want to see you succeed in your new life… i know love is not a first priority, but i would love to hear that a good man has become part of your life. (umm, provided you’re not lesbian; in which case, a good woman would be appropriate.) i want to hear stories of courage and growth, of new feathers, new adventures. I want you to share the good the bad and the beautiful, because, bluebird, you’re my role model. I’m depending on you to do this right… Love, Michael Remember, you’re never lonely when you’ve got an MPD diagnosis… oh, and to answer your question, am i lonely? well, I’m feeling down, minor kind of meds-driven depression… i don’t expect it to last too long. my wife and i are engaged in low-grade fights which quickly make both of us feel rotten. still, we’re having sex, and both of us have overcome our respective anorgasmia, so there’s at least one shining spot in my heart. plus, the kids are always an intense world around me, and they are happy to welcome me into the games and fantasies. We went to the playground today, and then for a walk in the woods. We made an easy fire out of dead oak limbs, and cooked a steak over the coals while mommy prepared the rest of the dinner in the kitchen. Sometime I think I’d like nothing better than to become a permanent resident of kidland… fuck this adulthood shit, been there, done that. Let’s read Pooh again, let’s watch the Little Mermaid… let’s go play dragons down by the stream… sigh, it’s never too late to have a happy childhood. So am I lonely tonight? No. Just wistful, aware of our pain, but happy in this moment. I know I haven’t achieved what I wanted to achieve in life… but having achieved fatherhood, i seem to have found my purpose in life. Love, Michael
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<BR As usual, there is a song going through my head. This is a normal state for <BR me. As I played it through to the end, I realized it was "Are you lonely <BR tonight?"<BR <BR Yes. Yes. A million times, yes. I am lonely tonight.<BR <BR Bluebird<BR Are you lonely tonight, too?<BR <BR
Hi, Bluebird… here I sit in my own ‘own new place’… just fed the cats and gave the diabetic one his shot. Sitting here at the computer, nothing on TV is holding my interest. Yeah, I’m lonely, alone, today there is no difference between those two words. What city do you live in, may I ask? Must be generic but your descriptions of your new neighborhood sound an awful lot like my new neighborhood. Have not done any work today, as in unpacking, sorting, organizing, etc. Also need to look for work. As far as food shopping goes, I’m also needing to get used to the fact that I can’t shop in bulk anymore, it’s not necessary and it’s too far to haul around to my apartment, even if I can park close. This does have its good points: I eat less and I eat only what I have. Food is too hard to drag around, so I actually eat my fruits and veggies before they go bad and make sure I only buy ‘healthy’. I’m becoming a full-time water-drinker, too; so I don’t have to carry bottles/cans/cartons of beverages around. I enjoy reading your updates, Bluebird… Thinking about you a lot… Timmy, another newly single gal…… sigh….
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As usual, there is a song going through my head. This is a normal state for me. As I played it through to the end, I realized it was "Are you lonely tonight?" Yes. Yes. A million times, yes. I am lonely tonight. Bluebird Are you lonely tonight, too?
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Yes. Lonely and scared. I overcame my fear of calling someone else and tried earlier, but the line was busy over and over. Life’s little ironies. And there’s no one to call at this ungodly hour. I can always go reread The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind. That ought to be good for a few laughs! On the upside, my lovebird nestbox is less lonely tonight. The first egg hatched! I’m a grandma again! I’ll have babies to feed in a couple of weeks. — Bunny
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Bluebird Are you lonely tonight, too?
i am lonely because i know that just outside my front door, there are people holding each other, touching each other, staring into each other’s eyes as if they were secret pools to forever swim inside. they whisper "i love you" so quietly, that not even the wind can hear it. they hold each other, they embrace each other, and they know. and i may never know. so yes, Bluebird. yes i am. blue
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Yes, I’m lonely too. But in my head is always "Life On Mars" an old song of David Bowie. "…but a friend is nowhere to be seen, now she walks trough her sunken dream…." ^^^^^^ I’m not a she but that doesn’t matter…. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -As usual, there is a song going through my head. This is a normal state for me. As I played it through to the end, I realized it was "Are you lonely tonight?" Yes. Yes. A million times, yes. I am lonely tonight. Bluebird Are you lonely tonight, too?
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A previous poster wrote that {being single again} was for them: at once the promised land and the fifth circle of hell.
"Are you lonely tonight? Always. He was here, and now he’s not. It isn’t divorce or separation…it was a long, slow cruel death, and he’s not just down at the corner for a quart of milk, or sleeping in some other bed…he’s GONE. Look, in the real world I am heavyset, and use crutches, not a "conventional" beauty in the least….but he did not care. None of that Mattered…he knew who I was inside and loved me for it. When that goes, you wonder if it will ever happen again, or if you dreamed it and made it all up. I am in a new city, full of sunlight (a good thing) and at the foot of a grand mountain…but I feel old and forgotten at 36, and I am starting to forget his face… Am I lonely tonight? Yes.
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I agree with JM on this one. When lonely, it is easy to think we are the only one who is, or that having "someone" all our own would cure the problem in a heartbeat. The worst kind of lonely I have ever felt is when in a roomful of people I know, but cannot connect with, or worst of all, when with my husband…and feeling like we are complete and awkward strangers, or totally invisible to one another. So if there is strength in numbers, the lonely are not "alone" at all :-( ~kare – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – i am lonely because i know that just outside my front door, there are people holding each other, touching each other, staring into each other’s eyes as if they were secret pools to forever swim inside. they whisper "i love you" so quietly, that not even the wind can hear it. they hold each other, they embrace each other, and they know. and i may never know. so yes, Bluebird. yes i am. blue Yes, but there are even more couples who feel alone with each other, who wish their spouse would realise what they have instead of dreaming that the grass is greener on the other side of the street. JM
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Yes, I’m lonely tonight. But I’m lonely every night, so I’ve kinda gotten used to it.
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i am lonely because i know that just outside my front door, there are people holding each other, touching each other, staring into each other’s eyes as if they were secret pools to forever swim inside. they whisper "i love you" so quietly, that not even the wind can hear it. they hold each other, they embrace each other, and they know. and i may never know. so yes, Bluebird. yes i am. blue
Yes, but there are even more couples who feel alone with each other, who wish their spouse would realise what they have instead of dreaming that the grass is greener on the other side of the street. JM
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I’m lonely because evertime I walk into my house now and realize my wife is no longer there, it kills. I don’t think I will ever find someone to love and be loved with again! This house is so silent, there are so many memories. Hell, I cannot even sleep in our bed anymore, it is just to big. My futon in the other room is my new bed. Sometimes I hate this house. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Yes. Lonely and scared. I overcame my fear of calling someone else and tried earlier, but the line was busy over and over. Life’s little ironies. And there’s no one to call at this ungodly hour. I can always go reread The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind. That ought to be good for a few laughs! On the upside, my lovebird nestbox is less lonely tonight. The first egg hatched! I’m a grandma again! I’ll have babies to feed in a couple of weeks. — Bunny
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Its very odd, I’ve been intensely isolating for a couple of months now but I don’t feel lonely at all. This does not fit in with previous experience. Weird, I’m puzzled about NOT feeling bad. charlie
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – "Are you lonely tonight? Always. He was here, and now he’s not. It isn’t divorce or separation…it was a long, slow cruel death, and he’s not just down at the corner for a quart of milk, or sleeping in some other bed…he’s GONE. Look, in the real world I am heavyset, and use crutches, not a "conventional" beauty in the least….but he did not care. None of that Mattered…he knew who I was inside and loved me for it. When that goes, you wonder if it will ever happen again, or if you dreamed it and made it all up. I am in a new city, full of sunlight (a good thing) and at the foot of a grand mountain…but I feel old and forgotten at 36, and I am starting to forget his face… Am I lonely tonight? Yes.
I have not lost someone in the same way you have Jean, but I can empathize with wondering if all the good times with someone you loved were just a dream. It makes me feel very empty and alone when I remember the other life I had, that doesn’t exist anymore. I still think I will never find a partner to share my life and love. You have a horrible grief to get through. There is no simple way to do it. Talking here, and in grief support groups can help. Hold on and take care, o.k? Leah
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Yes. Yes. A million times, yes. I am lonely tonight. Bluebird Are you lonely tonight, too?
The kids are all gone, and hubby, who works very long hours, and I keep a whole different schedule. His favorite thing to do when home, is to sit asleep in his recliner, with the only light in the room the TV…every night, it seems. So though I am not technically alone, yes…I AM very lonely often enough. And I’m pretty sure this is a situation many others here can identify with. Good luck to you still Bluebird. By the way, our bluebirds are back from the south, and they, too, are busily building new homes. Saw two of them in the back yard a few days ago, and again this afternoon. ~Kare
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I am always lonely. I never found anyone to love me. I have loved but never received the same in return. I guess I was always destined to be this way. I accept it most of the time. It would be nice to have someone when I hurt. — Blessings, Jehanne A man said to the Universe: "Sir, I exist!" "However," replied the Universe, "The fact has not created in me A sense of obligation." Stephen Crane 1899 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As usual, there is a song going through my head. This is a normal state for me. As I played it through to the end, I realized it was "Are you lonely tonight?" Yes. Yes. A million times, yes. I am lonely tonight. Bluebird Are you lonely tonight, too?
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says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hi, Bluebird… here I sit in my own ‘own new place’… just fed the cats and gave the diabetic one his shot. Sitting here at the computer, nothing on TV is holding my interest. Yeah, I’m lonely, alone, today there is no difference between those two words. What city do you live in, may I ask? Must be generic but your descriptions of your new neighborhood sound an awful lot like my new neighborhood. Have not done any work today, as in unpacking, sorting, organizing, etc. Also need to look for work. As far as food shopping goes, I’m also needing to get used to the fact that I can’t shop in bulk anymore, it’s not necessary and it’s too far to haul around to my apartment, even if I can park close. This does have its good points: I eat less and I eat only what I have. Food is too hard to drag around, so I actually eat my fruits and veggies before they go bad and make sure I only buy ‘healthy’. I’m becoming a full-time water-drinker, too; so I don’t have to carry bottles/cans/cartons of beverages around. I enjoy reading your updates, Bluebird… Thinking about you a lot… Timmy, another newly single gal…… sigh….
Hi, Timmy – Sounds like we’re going through a lot of the same transitions. But you’re outside of DC, aren’t you? I’m in suburban Boston, MA. The water tastes disgusting, so I’m still dragging bottles around, both of diet soda and of spring water. And I live on the third floor, so I should be getting stronger and healthier. Bluebird
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