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Please check your luggage.
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Please check your luggage.
I can’t find my bag…I only left it unattended for 30 years…it’s got my self worth in it, you see. THIS one looks like mine, but these aren’t my things inside…bitterness, fear, loneliness, self loathing, ticket to nowhere…who put those in there? pete
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Pete, hey I found your bag.Umm I kinda looked inside…..I found shyness,loyalty,selfworth,sweetness,kindness,love,and best of all friendship. here ya go ….I swear I didnt touch a thing. 
) koc CJ
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Please check your luggage.
I prefer to keep it snugly tucked inside my bra. — Wohali Before you buy.
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And please fasten your seat belts —
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hehehehe – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Please check your luggage. I prefer to keep it snugly tucked inside my bra. — Wohali Before you buy.
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And put your trays in their upright positions. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – And please fasten your seat belts —
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damn… dont you hate it when you get on the plane and realize yr the only one not wearing clothes ? — there is fluffy cloudstuff in my head … and it tickles :/ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Please check your luggage.
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Please check your luggage.
It’s carry on, and it fits in that little metal thingie at the door! Aware1 — Toto… I don’t think we’re in Kansas anymore.
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alt.create.loneliness FAQ 1. Respond to every troll and cross poster on the net. 2. Ignore pleas for help, support, and/or recognition to indulge in number one. 3. Take number one so personally that you repeat it over and over. 4. Become the very thing you hate about number one. 5. Congratulations you are a thriving member of alt.create.loneliness
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Please igonre this post. Don’t know what possesed me to write it. I realize that this post is actually what I am complaining about – giving credance to trolls – I feel like I failed. Sorry Stimpson
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Stimpson wrote: >Please igonre this post. Don’t know what possesed me to write it. I realize >that this post is actually what I am complaining about – giving credance to >trolls – I feel like I failed.
Stimpson – I *do* understand your point of view.As I do other people’s. Relax, it’s ok. This whole situation just makes everyone really uncomfortable. It’s sad. Regards, Jenn — – — – "And I said mama, mama, mama, why am I so alone? I can’t go outside I’m scared I might not make it home I’m alive, I’m alive but I’m sinking in." – CC http://members.aol.com/jeneve23/enter.html <– Mental Health Guide
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Stimpson, actually, you made me giggle.. it is alt.create.loneliness.. and it was good.. Pamela Stimpson <s…@spam.com> wrote in message
news:eOuL3.3981$O_1.40982@news4.mia… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Please igonre this post. Don’t know what possesed me to write it. I realize > that this post is actually what I am complaining about – giving credance to > trolls – I feel like I failed. > Sorry > Stimpson
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Stimpson wrote: > alt.create.loneliness FAQ > 1. Respond to every troll and cross poster on the net. > 2. Ignore pleas for help, support, and/or recognition to indulge in number > one. > 3. Take number one so personally that you repeat it over and over. > 4. Become the very thing you hate about number one. > 5. Congratulations you are a thriving member of alt.create.loneliness
6. Take your loneliness seriously – or one fine day it may escape.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Jenn wrote in message <19991008220134.18170.00000…@ng-fn1.aol.com>… >Stimpson wrote: >>Please igonre this post. Don’t know what possesed me to write it. I realize >>that this post is actually what I am complaining about – giving credance to >>trolls – I feel like I failed. >Stimpson – I *do* understand your point of view.As I do other people’s. Relax, >it’s ok. This whole situation just makes everyone really uncomfortable. It’s >sad. >Regards, Jenn >– — – — >"And I said mama, mama, mama, why am I so alone? >I can’t go outside I’m scared I might not make it home >I’m alive, I’m alive but I’m sinking in." – CC >http://members.aol.com/jeneve23/enter.html <– Mental Health Guide
Me two 
Nanny — Don’t be reckless with other peoples hearts. Don’t put up with people who are reckless with yours. To reply by email remove 4cats. Visit the official ASL FAQ page at: http://members.aol.com/aslfaq
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Rodney wrote: > On Sat, 17 Jul 1999 03:42:55 -0700, "Denys Koval" > <k.d…@mailexcite.com> wrote: > >Scorp wrote in message … > >>Does anyone know him personally?
(Some people in ba.singles have met him.) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >>Does anyone here find him to be a decent, harmless man? > >Yes, I want to disappoint you but I do. More to that, I find his posts very > >intelegent and helpful. > Ae you guys insane ? > Or has this sub finally gone off the deep end into some surrealistic > haze? > He’s a NUT ! He’s demonstrated it over and over again. > Has everyone forgotten his wacked out Janet episode? And now you guys > are treating his Brnwyn delusion as real? Either hes a troll having > fun or you guys are participating in his truly sick delusions, because > I see several posts from a supposed Brnwyn which depict Robert as the > same psychotic stalker as in the Janet case. > Either he’s posting the Brynwn stuff and playing an elaborate > and I admit ingenious joke on everyone, including alt.loneliness and > alt.depression or you guys are comforting a truly sick sick guy. Have > you seen the Brnwyn posts? Hes mad out of his skull if they are true. > Its shades of Janet multiplied by 1000. Are they flitering the posts > out on your news servers? > Either way its hilarious. If he is putting us all on, its > ingenious. If he isnt, seeing your supportive and congratulatory posts > to Robert about his mysterious brown haired lurker, side by side with > her begging for this mad man to stay away from her life , its too much > ! Too hilarious , if it wasnt tragic.
Thank you, Rodney, for the very thought-provoking post. I believe Robert has a "need" to find a woman who gives him just enough personal information that he can suck the life out of her. Then he goes on to the next victim to fulfill the need again. He can never go very long without a victim. Regarding your one theory where "he is putting us all on…" I rule that out. I believe he has to find *a real* woman. Then he takes whatever little she has said to him, and creates a *huge* fantasy that he convinces himself is true. Haven’t you seen him take a post in the ng and misinterpret it completely? I believe the reason that he is able to dupe *a few* guys to be supportive of him, is because he believes all his mad fantasies, so he comes across as sincere. It saddens me about the support he gets here. But I also see guys who respond negatively or don’t/won’t respond at all. And that includes most of the group. Some people may have forgotten the Janet case. And for some reason, he has not stirred up too much trouble in a.s.s. lately. But go take a look in alt.support.depression. He’s been trying to email women there. One guy has posted info on the Mountain View Police Dept (there is a web site) and how to contact them. I predict that Robert will talk about Bryn for a while still. Then move on to his next victim. So women of a.s.s.: Be careful!!! No personal info. Don’t email him. Don’t reply to his posts. Don’t ever say anything nice to him or even neutral. He will misconstrue it. Another thing… Just because he doesn’t know what he is doing – he doesn’t know right from wrong, fantasy from reality… That doesn’t mean he should be allowed to roam free in society and feed on innocent women. He is far from harmless! Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.
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<<dear robby, … hi. my name is gu. i am depressed, lonely, shy, and hungry. really, really hungry. can i have a hug?>> Yes. Please go to the end of the line and wait your turn.
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On Tue, 20 Jul 1999, Oliver Broadway wrote: > In article <memo.19990719193736.114…@tup.metronet.co.uk>, > t…@metronet.co.uk (Oliver Broadway) wrote: > > there seems to be no reason to believe that the post you were > > commenting to came from JerryO himself. > D’oh! > Of course, what I meant to say was: > there seems to be no reason to believe that the post you were > commenting to did not come from JerryO himself.
I am no longer Jerryo. I am ..Tiberius! — For info about this service, see http://www.twwells.com/anon/ or e-mail: h…@anon.twwells.com — for an automatically returned help message ad…@anon.twwells.com – for the service’s administrator ano…@anon.twwells.com — anonymous mail to the administrator
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In article <memo.19990719193736.114…@tup.metronet.co.uk>, t…@metronet.co.uk (Oliver Broadway) wrote: > there seems to be no reason to believe that the post you were > commenting to came from JerryO himself.
D’oh! Of course, what I meant to say was: there seems to be no reason to believe that the post you were commenting to did not come from JerryO himself. Ollie
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -robby rat wrote: > JT wrote in message <37927C6C.13BBA…@frontiernet.net>… > >robby rat wrote: > >> JT wrote in message <379274F7.B4582…@frontiernet.net>… > >> >robby rat wrote: > >> >> JT wrote in message <37923BEE.4B97E…@frontiernet.net>… > >> >> >Robert Maas wrote: > >> >> >> <<i might have believed this, Jerry, if you hadn’t used a twwells > >> >> >> anonymous account to post your "i’ve met him in real life, he ain’t > >> >> >> that strange" post. however, i have doubts as to the veracity of > this > >> >> >> whole thing to begin with and this is just one more bit of evidence > >> >> >> that the whole thing is a sick and demented game. there is no way > to > >> >> >> check if you truly are a different person instead of just REM > himself > >> >> >> or one of his troll friends.>> > >> >> >> What’s the difference between a berzerker/nihilist and a > >> >> >> skeptic/scientist? When confronted with apparently questionable > >> >> >> allegations, the nihilist simply denies the truth forever, whereas > the > >> >> >> scientist tries to find some experiment/test that will test the > >> >> >> allegation. In this case, there’s a simple test: Telephone the > woman > >> >> >> who runs the shyness drop-in clinic in Menlo Park, and ask her > whether > >> >> >> (1) Robert, of alt.support.shyness, who claims to have been partly > >> >> >> cured of shyness by Janet in February, really did come to four of > her > >> >> >> sessions, and (2) Rogerio, also of alt.support.shyness, came to the > >> >> >> third of Robert’s sessions, whereupon Robert asked him if he was > >> >> >> JerryO and he affirmed that. In that way you can easily confirm > that > >> >> >> two people are involved here. > >> >> >ROBERT MAAS. The negative attention you are looking for by harassing > the > >> >> >groups’ females pales in comparison to what you can receive if you > start > >> >> >posting to alt.flame or alt.fan.karl-malden.nose. I personally > guarentee > >> >> >that if you’d kindly sign up to those groups and post to them in the > >> >> >saem way you post ehre, and send the regs email like you’ve been > sending > >> >> >to the females here, you’ll find yourself receiving a LOT more > >> >> >attention. Go there now. I’m sure they’;ll love you. > >> >> >JT > >> >> jt es lieying robert > >> >> yuo willbe vrey welcoem in teh kral-malden.noes greup > >> >> thes graep es full of shye, depersed, loinely peopel who > >> >> will litsen to yuore patehtic stoeries and > >> >> giev yuo muhc hlep anad suprot > >> >> as foer teh alt.falem gruep donet even theink abouet > >> >> thoes geys tehy aer mean to newbeis especielley whieners > >> >> steick weth teh noes and yuo will noet regert it > >> >I ka’nt beleev i ferget too krospost too atl.romaht. i feel so stupdi. > >> >im sory. plees be niec to oure deerets frend robirt mass, becuase he is > >> >veyr frajil. and tel yor femals too plees be esy on por robirt. he lieks > >> >to send harasing emali to yung girls. thakn yuo for yor consirn frum all > >> >of us in atl.suport.depresoin. > >> jt pleaes stoip > >> beteing up > >> on yuorslef > >> yuo were onley > >> tryeing to > >> hlep thes > >> robert gey > >> adn yuo > >> ended up > >> geteing hrut > >> here let > >> me hug yuo > >aw tahnk yuo robi. it fels beter allredy. your rite. i was onley tyring > >too help robirt, but i endd up hrtign misefl. i fel gilty becase robirt > >is such a looser. i almost fel liek its mi falt, even thoh i shoud no > >that it relly is’nt mi falt. thakn yuo robbi, fore showign me thta it > >relly wa’snt me at al. > yuo doent haev to theknk me jt > i wes juts gald teht i could > be herer foer yuo in yuor > depserate teim of need > i haev been in yuor > shoes befoer adn > let me tell > yuo toees > aer soem > niec > shoes > did yuo > get tehm at > a sproting gooeds > stoer or at a reguerler > shoe stoer if i maey aesk? > >> tehre tehre > >> thets a > >> gooed boey > >> roby raaat > >> fjeind to > >> jt adn > >> robert > >thakn yuo so mutch. im mutch hapire noing i hav somone who axchully cars > >abot me let me hug yuo bak. > thneks foer teh hueg baek > i dednet knoe howe depersed i > wes untiel yuo hueged me > anad all teh sad > stuef juts came > poureing out > (oh by teh > wey i > will > taek > caer of > teh dircleneig > bill i knoe a palce > wehre i get a descouent) > huegs > roby raaaat > fjeind to > jt adn > robert adn > andyoen eelse > whoe es depersed > loinely or estremley shey
dear robby, hi. my name is
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Henry B. Messenger (h…@explosive.net) wrote: : I feel mired, stuck in my life. Like sticky mud that clutches and grabs : at my feet, making me weary and hopeless of escape. About the only thing : I’m enthusiastic about is my work — this is understandable, since they : reward me and think very highly of me for it. And I’m not rewarded and : thought highly of in other areas. I have some refinement of these thoughts… I’ve always put-off my life. I guess that somewhere inside me, I assumed that I would meet someone and we would start a life together. And there wasn’t any point in buying a house, planning for retirement, and all those things because, well, I was still a young man on my own. Well, that hasn’t happened. I know now that the only rational choice for me is to opt out, given my emotional problems, my physical unattractiveness, and the terrible shortage of single women and places to meet them here. But I have unfulfilled romantic longings that cause me cognitive dissonance and pain. So I’ve read a few books that tell me I need to get on with my life anyway. Setting some kind of goals for where I want to be in a year, five years, ten years. And I can’t think of anything. Henry B. Messenger I don’t even go on vacations myself. http://satanic.org/~cenobite
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Hi, Henry A bit late, but I didn’t know exactly how to react to your first post. It’s sometimes a bit difficult to react to your posts, but this part of it is very clear to me. I can totally understand your unfulfilled romantic longings and how they can frustrate you. I can also understand very well that you don’t know at all what to do with the rest of your life. But please keep posting, and don’t think that you’re ignored. Hugs, Nanny — Don’t be reckless with other peoples hearts. Don’t put up with people who are reckless with yours. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Henry B. Messenger wrote in message <931715571.963…@news.satanic.org>… >Henry B. Messenger (h…@explosive.net) wrote: >: I feel mired, stuck in my life. Like sticky mud that clutches and grabs >: at my feet, making me weary and hopeless of escape. About the only thing >: I’m enthusiastic about is my work — this is understandable, since they >: reward me and think very highly of me for it. And I’m not rewarded and >: thought highly of in other areas. >I have some refinement of these thoughts… I’ve always put-off my life. >I guess that somewhere inside me, I assumed that I would meet someone >and we would start a life together. And there wasn’t any point in buying >a house, planning for retirement, and all those things because, well, >I was still a young man on my own. Well, that hasn’t happened. >I know now that the only rational choice for me is to opt out, given >my emotional problems, my physical unattractiveness, and the terrible >shortage of single women and places to meet them here. But I have >unfulfilled romantic longings that cause me cognitive dissonance and >pain. >So I’ve read a few books that tell me I need to get on with my life >anyway. Setting some kind of goals for where I want to be in a year, >five years, ten years. And I can’t think of anything. >Henry B. Messenger I don’t even go on vacations myself. > http://satanic.org/~cenobite
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Henry B. Messenger wrote: > So I’ve read a few books that tell me I need to get on with my life > anyway. Setting some kind of goals for where I want to be in a year, > five years, ten years. And I can’t think of anything. > Henry B. Messenger I don’t even go on vacations myself. > http://satanic.org/~cenobite
I do think that doing something is better than doing nothing in most cases, Hank. As long as that something is a positive step. I don’t think that anyone is too young to plan for their retirement financially. I have even started investments for The Child to help her with that. So, that is one thing that you can do and it is something that can be done on the premise that there will be two people to be needing that retirement plan. If that doesn’t happen, you’ll just have twice the amount to spend when you retire, so it’s not like it’s wasted effort. You like to sail and you have a boat. There are clubs that you either belong to or can belong to, are there not? You could make your boat everything you wish it to be and become more active in those clubs and join in on the things they do. As for a house, there are many thoughts on that. If you think owning your own home, that you can design exactly as you would have it, is something you would like and can afford do, then by all means, do it. There may be one to share it with evenutally, but if that does not happen and you tire of it, it can be sold. In other words, darlin’….you can go ahead and do things and plan for "two" and in the doing of them, you might find one to spend your life with, but if it does not happen, you will still be at least "living" a bit of life instead of just marking time in life. And there is a sense of accomplishment and satisfaction in the things we "create" or accomplish that is a good feeling, too. <smile> Hugs, Jae — "It’s a thankless job, but I’ve got a lot of Karma to burn off."
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On 11 Jul 1999 05:22:55 GMT, h…@explosive.net (Henry B. Messenger) wrote: >Semiotics is the study of symbols and their meaning… I read that Umberto >Eco is a professor of semiotics. How does one get to be a professor of >semiotics?
Pretty cool to get to be a professor of something arcane and survive at it. A shame I was only able to get through about a quarter of Foucoult’s Pendulum before having to find something that was enjoyable to read. There were some interesting bits buried in that Robert Jordanesque sized novel. >I feel mired, stuck in my life. Like sticky mud that clutches and grabs >at my feet, making me weary and hopeless of escape. About the only thing
This is because we live in a world of quicksand. It’s bad for everyone. For many people, the quicksand pulls them below the poverty line and, sooner or later, they drown, which is the kind of thing that happens when there’s no change. You see it in the news, a five minute segment once a month. Rather common. So being mired doesn’t make you something who’s not worth something. It’s bad like softball sized hail is bad, not like sin is bad. It just makes you human (this is a bad thing, I admit, but I doubt you chose to be human). The rest of your questions, the search for meaning, etc: well, no one’s life has meaning, and as for the illusion, I can’t come up with anything to help with self-deception. I am inadequate. As for anyone noticing you when you’re gone, you say you’re respected at work, that you have worth there. Then THEY will notice. That’s something, at least, at least one of your wishes granted. BTW You know, most people are so interchangeable that, once the messy arrangements are dealt with (disposing of the body), no one notices the difference (there is no difference). — Listen to Grendel (ambient/signal music) at http://listen.to/grendel Note: All creative work has been halted by Geocities’ new TOS (do NOT update your page), until I can find a music-friendly service. ++Note, my return address may be munged. You make the call.++
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Dear Hank… {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{Hugs}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} No….I don’t actually have my arms around you in real life….but I do in my mind and in my heart. You "are" cared for by me….just not always understood. <smile> I don’t think you’ve been too confrontational as opposed to being too dang stubborn to listen to anyone. And sometimes that brilliant mind of yours just holds me in awe…..and I feel a little dumb trying to say something intelligent to you. I know…since when did not saying something intelligent stop me ?!! <laugh> Well….I just wanted to be sure that you know that I care very much about how you feel and about whether or not you’re here — and I’m sure there are others here that care very much, too. Don’t lose your dreams, Hank —- no matter how far-fetched you might think they are. Hugs and Smiles, Gina "So, anytime somebody needs you, Don’t let them down altho’ it grieves you… Someday you’ll need someone like they do… Looking for what you knew…" — Led Zeppelin
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Henry, I’ve read a few of your posts and I don’t think you’ve been too confrontational at all. I think that part of the reason why you may not have received the responses that you were expecting was that what you say tends to make eminent sense. In addition, you say it well, leaving others with little room to add something or to disagree. Nothing sparks more posts than disagreement (take for example the threads about or by trolls — they seem to get the most responses by far). Having said that, I want to disagree with you. In your message you said "I need to be comforted." Perhaps this is exactly the opposite of what you need. You wrote of your life being "mired" and "stuck." Maybe you should listen to the wisdom of one of history’s smartest, non-religious, people (no, sadly, I don’t mean me) Sir Isaac Newton. His first law — you know it. In this case, you need to be the "outside force." Your life will not become unstuck unless you cause it to be. This is where the comfort part comes in. Perhaps you need to do things that will make you uncomfortable. One of the problems that I face is that periodically I find myself feeling mired in very much the same ways that you described. This almost invariably leads me to seek more comfort. I go out less. I interact with fewer people. I withdraw from the world. In effect, my response is to try to become "comfortably numb." I suspect you’re the same way (but feel free to correct me if I am wrong). Yet this is exactly the opposite of what I SHOULD be doing. If I’m lonely, I should go and meet people. If I’m sad, I should go somewhere that cheers me up. If I’m feeling my life has no purpose, I should find a cause. Often I don’t, because that is hard and uncomfortable. But I generally find that when I do, I do regret it. You were pretty vague about the "other areas" that you’re allegedly not highly thought of in, so I’m going to cop out and not really suggest what you should do. However, since your web page is stored at "satanic.org," I’m specifically not going to recommend that you join a church group…. ;-) You said in an earlier post (I read up for this assignment) that you "still get a charge out of solving problems that are too hard for anyone else," so don’t quit on this one. And if you want to brainstorm a bit about how to solve this problem of loneliness and general lack of purpose, I’m certainly up for it, and my guess is that most other members of ASL would welcome such a discussion. I hope you didn’t find my disagreement too disagreeable. In article <931670575.571…@news.satanic.org>, h…@explosive.net (Henry B. Messenger) wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Semiotics is the study of symbols and their meaning… I read that Umberto > Eco is a professor of semiotics. How does one get to be a professor of > semiotics? Perhaps it’s just the best translation from Italian of "postmodern > literature and criticism", I don’t know. But it’s an interesting idea, > "professor of semiotics." > These are the sorts of thoughts that go through my head when I’m feeling > unnoticed and alone. I notice that almost nobody responds to me anymore… > perhaps I’ve been too confrontational, perhaps I seem as if I have no > problems. Perhaps I use the wrong symbols. I don’t know. > I feel mired, stuck in my life. Like sticky mud that clutches and grabs > at my feet, making me weary and hopeless of escape. About the only thing > I’m enthusiastic about is my work — this is understandable, since they > reward me and think very highly of me for it. And I’m not rewarded and > thought highly of in other areas. > "Res ipsa loquitor", the thing speaks for itself. Indeed. If I want to be > valued, I need to be someone who’s worth something. But I need a lot of > things. I need to have some illusion that my life has some meaning. I > need to feel as if somebody would actually notice if I were gone. I need > to be comforted. > The thoughts come to me, unbidden, that it would be so easy if it were > simply over. > Henry B. Messenger "You remember when they said there would > http://satanic.org/~cenobite be no future? Well, this is it." > – "Max Headroom"
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Semiotics is the study of symbols and their meaning… I read that Umberto Eco is a professor of semiotics. How does one get to be a professor of semiotics? Perhaps it’s just the best translation from Italian of "postmodern literature and criticism", I don’t know. But it’s an interesting idea, "professor of semiotics." These are the sorts of thoughts that go through my head when I’m feeling unnoticed and alone. I notice that almost nobody responds to me anymore… perhaps I’ve been too confrontational, perhaps I seem as if I have no problems. Perhaps I use the wrong symbols. I don’t know. I feel mired, stuck in my life. Like sticky mud that clutches and grabs at my feet, making me weary and hopeless of escape. About the only thing I’m enthusiastic about is my work — this is understandable, since they reward me and think very highly of me for it. And I’m not rewarded and thought highly of in other areas. "Res ipsa loquitor", the thing speaks for itself. Indeed. If I want to be valued, I need to be someone who’s worth something. But I need a lot of things. I need to have some illusion that my life has some meaning. I need to feel as if somebody would actually notice if I were gone. I need to be comforted. The thoughts come to me, unbidden, that it would be so easy if it were simply over. Henry B. Messenger "You remember when they said there would http://satanic.org/~cenobite be no future? Well, this is it." – "Max Headroom"
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Henry wrote: >Semiotics is the study of symbols and their meaning…
I didnt know this…I have a book I ordered from Amazon about symbols and their meanings. http://www.rpg.net/quail/libyrinth/eco I wasn’t sure who Umberto Eco was when you mentioned him, Henry so I looked him up…Seems like a very interesting writer…I posted a link to a good site up above. >These are the sorts of thoughts that go through my head when I’m feeling >unnoticed and alone. I notice that almost nobody responds to me anymore.
Do you mean in the "real world", the off-line world…or on-line…well, I suppose it really doesnt matter does it? Either way, I know it hurts when you feel as though you are not wanted or unnoticed. You are though, I wish you to know… >perhaps I’ve been too confrontational, perhaps I seem as if I have no >problems.
I haven’t noticed you being "too confrontational" and you don’t have to have problems to be noticed…{hugs} ….I’m not sure what to say exactly. You always have a gift for making me feel better with your words and I wish I could do the same for you. I hate to think of you feeling sad and alone…You are in my thoughts, Henry…. – Regards, Jenn http://members.aol.com/jeneve23/enter.html - – - – - I’m so tired of playing, Playing with this bow and arrow, Gonna give my heart away, Leave it to the other girls to play -Portishead
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Posted and mailed Henry B. Messenger wrote: > These are the sorts of thoughts that go through my head when I’m feeling > unnoticed and alone. I notice that almost nobody responds to me anymore… > perhaps I’ve been too confrontational, perhaps I seem as if I have no > problems. Perhaps I use the wrong symbols. I don’t know.
Hi darlin’. I’d notice if you were gone and I respond to you often. <smile> I’m sorry you’re feeling unnoticed and alone. comforting hugs, Jae — "It’s a thankless job, but I’ve got a lot of Karma to burn off."
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Thanks for posting. I’m crying really bad because of what you suffered a year ago and wrote about this year. P.S. the woman I love was born on Jun.01 also, but 28 years ago.
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Posted and Mailed rc wrote: > JENNIFER’S BIRTHDAY > June 1 1999
Hi, Jennifer. <smile> I’ve read all your posts and I’ve read the advice that Frans and Jem gave to you, too. I think they both gave you some real good advice, darlin’. Jennifer, I have a 12 year old. She just turned 12 last month so she’s pretty near your age. I’m not her birth Mom, but I couldn’t love her and want her anymore than if I were. She has a lot of problems because of the things that happened to her when she was younger and she has times when she hates her birth Mom and her Dad because she feels they didn’t love her enough to take care of her properly and not to hurt her. She spent a lot of years in counseling. Since she was six years old. Sometimes, she hurts real bad from all the feelings she has about her parents and those times, she cries and yells at me that she hates her whole life and me, too. I don’t think she truly hates me, though. <smile> I think the feelings that she has make her feel so awful……so hurt, that she just has to hate everybody and everything. It doesn’t make her feel better to do that and she’s real sorry when she calms down. Darlin’……..your counselor can help you with these bad feelings if you will let her. Would you think about maybe showing her the posts you’ve made here? If you didn’t keep them, I’d be glad to send them to you so you can. You don’t have to answer right now, but please do think about it. We have a Children’s Home here in Texas where I live, Jennifer. I see those young people quite a bit and I listen to them and I try to help them. Lots of them hate their parents, too. So, I’ve known a lot of y’all that feel that way. I used to hate my mother, too, when I was younger. So, I can understand some of the feelings that you’re having, darlin’. Jennifer, you might try asking your Mom to buy some Pamperin for you to help with those cramps around the time of your period. I’m sure you’ve learned in health class in school or from other girls or your Mom that around that time, your feelings on most things are a lot stronger than at other times. When you’re feeling bad, you’re feeling real bad. More than you normally would. Jennifer, I hope you will keep telling us how you feel and if you’re feeling that you need to "talk" to someone more than just here in the group, you can e-mail me, too. I wish I could give you a real hug, darlin’, so you’d know for real that we care about you here, even though we just met you. <smile> I can’t do that, Jennifer, but I can send you some cyber hugs……..so here are some BIG TEXAS HUGS from me to you………..Jae
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JENNIFER’S BIRTHDAY June 1 1999 My name is Jennifer. I am 11 years old My birthday is June 1 1988. I was born in New York City I have no brothers or sisters. I had a sister but she was struck by a hit and run driver and killed one year ago today. This is why im writting this. Im writting this dairy because im still so sad and i have no one to talk to about it. My parents think that im not sad anymore but i am. I dont want them to know that im still sad because they will laugh at me. They hate me. They got this computer for my birthday last year but i never used it because it was supposed to my sisters and mine and she was going to teach me how to use it Iv been scared to use it because i know it will make me even sadder. But maby if i talk to someone who understands me maby i wont be unhappy any more. My sisters name was Denise. We shared a bedroom not because we dident have the room but because when i was little i couldent sleep alone in my room so Denise said that she would sleep in my room with me which then became our room. Now im alone in my room again and i wish she was here with me because i get so scared here by my self at night. My mom and dad said that it shouldent hurt any more but it does and the hurt isnt gtoing away. Sometimes at night when im drifting off to sleep right before im sleeping i can feel her in the bed next to me and i would remember when we would chitchat befor going to sleep. We would talk about all kinds of things i thought it was cool that even though she was older and had her own friends she still talked to me like i was one of them. We would talk untill we fell asleep. Sometimes i makebelive shes still in the bed next to me even when im awake. Sometimes i still here her wispering to me knowing im alseep but stilol talking to me anyway. Then im sad because i know when i wake up shell be gone. I hate this room now and im unhappy all the time in it. Its very lonley here without her I wish this was a dream that i can wake up to and shell be here. I cant tell my parents this because thell laugh at me and tell me im a big girl and that i should get over it. They took me to a therapist for a wile because i flipedout when it happened she gave me pills that i dump down the toilet because i dont like the way they make me feel. If i talk about this maby i wont be sad anymore. Nobody would understan me anyway. SO at night i cry myself to sleep but i know it wont bring her back i have no other friends to talk to because they would laugh at me Denise was hit by a car on my birthday wile riding her bike home from her friends house two cars were racing and one lost control and ploughed through a fence and hit her as she was leaving the driveway. the cars left and the police never found the cars or the driver. Denise was tsaken to the hosptial and put into icu I was watching tv waiting for her to come home so i could open my presents. thats when my mom told me was happened. at first i thought she was all right and we were going to visit her. I took a card i made her because we had a real bad fight the day before abd i wanted to make up with her I hated fighting with her but we allways made up when we did and everything was all right. When we got to the hosptial they told me to wait in the lobby and that i wanent aloud to see her i sat there and cried until my mom asked the nurse to let me in to see her. When i went in to her room there were doctors all around her and wires and tubes attached to her and i was realy scared because i knew she wasent all right. i sat next to her and held her hand and talked to her but she wasent awake so i talked anyway because i knew she would here me. She had a tube in her mouth so she could breath. I resad the card to her and i hoped that i could read it to her again once she was awake. It was hard to read because i was cring so bad. I wished she would wake up so much. the nurse in the room was real nice and told me that when she wakes up she read the card to her if i wasent there. when it came time to leave i dident want to leave because i diident want her to be scared when she woke up. But i went home anyway because they wouldent let me stay. Latter that night i couldent sleep because i was so scared that i would never see again and i sat up and cried all night I never opened my presents because i wanted her to be there whan i did. Eary that morning i awoken to my parents cring. they told me that Denise had gone to heaven which ment that she had died. she had a clot in her brain. the doctors tried to operate but they were too late. No matter how fast they were she couldent be saved. thats all i remember. i cant write any more today….
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Dear Jennifer, Welcome to Alt.Support.Loneliness (ASL) There are some fine people here and within a day or say you will see many responses to your very good writing. We do understand what you talk about and why you are writing. I am a (Dutch) male and have only one son, age 31 now, so you’ll have to wait for responses of some of us who know better to speak to a lady like you. That is why I left your message below mine. Not every one gets all messages from the Usenet (this news is not Internet, but Usenet). In the mean time let me give you some advise I know is good. I do understand your parents like you to stop crying about Denise, but I whisper in your ear: Crying is not bad to do, so please cry, as long as you also think about the very nice moments you had with your sister. Those good memories must be more often in your head than this "feeling alone". Remember what both of you have done and the good times you had together. About the Usenet. As I told you I am from the Netherlands. People from all over the world read these news letters. All kind of people, also the not-so-good. Please keep in mind to never tell any person in cyberspace your second name (sir name), your address or telephone number. Not ever! Not even me, and I am a good guy (but so say all!!!). If any person hurts you with words, keep in mind it is just a writing, they don’t really ‘hurt’ you, just skip later messages from that person, ignoring is the very best you can do than. Also remember that, while you learned all men could be dangerous, there could also be dangerous ladies and, for sure, many men who are not dangerous at all. But we cannot see that from writing, can we? Here on ASL are two more Jenniffer’s. One signs with the name Jenn and her e-mail address begins with Jeneve23, but most of us call her Jennifer. So if you read about her, they not necessary mean you. What ever you like to write about, is okay with all of us. And you wrote well, for such a young Lady. I do hope your sadness will be fly away, with all the friends you are going to find here, and many laughs will come. Frans Jennifer writes>… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->JENNIFER’S BIRTHDAY >June 1 1999 >My name is Jennifer. I am 11 years old My birthday is June 1 1988. I was >born in New York City I have no brothers or sisters. I had a sister but >she was struck by a hit and run driver and killed one year ago today. >This is why im writting this. Im writting this dairy because im still so >sad and i have no one to talk to about it. My parents think that im not >sad anymore but i am. I dont want them to know that im still sad because >they will laugh at me. They hate me. They got this computer for my >birthday last year but i never used it because it was supposed to my >sisters and mine and she was going to teach me how to use it Iv been >scared to use it because i know it will make me even sadder. But maby >if i talk to someone who understands me maby i wont be unhappy any more. >My sisters name was Denise. We shared a bedroom not because we dident >have the room but because when i was little i couldent sleep alone in my >room so Denise said that she would sleep in my room with me which then >became our room. Now im alone in my room again and i wish she was here >with me because i get so scared here by my self at night. My mom and dad >said that it shouldent hurt any more but it does and the hurt isnt >gtoing away. >Sometimes at night when im drifting off to sleep right before im >sleeping i can feel her in the bed next to me and i would remember when >we would chitchat befor going to sleep. We would talk about all kinds of >things i thought it was cool that even though she was older and had her >own friends she still talked to me like i was one of them. We would talk >untill we fell asleep. Sometimes i makebelive shes still in the bed next >to me even when im awake. Sometimes i still here her wispering to me >knowing im alseep but stilol talking to me anyway. Then im sad because i >know when i wake up shell be gone. I hate this room now and im unhappy >all the time in it. Its very lonley here without her I wish this was a >dream that i can wake up to and shell be here. I cant tell my parents >this because thell laugh at me and tell me im a big girl and that i >should get over it. >They took me to a therapist for a wile because i flipedout when it >happened she gave me pills that i dump down the toilet because i dont >like the way they make me feel. If i talk about this maby i wont be sad >anymore. Nobody would understan me anyway. SO at night i cry myself to >sleep but i know it wont bring her back i have no other friends to talk >to because they would laugh at me >Denise was hit by a car on my birthday wile riding her bike home from >her friends house two cars were racing and one lost control and ploughed >through a fence and hit her as she was leaving the driveway. the cars >left and the police never found the cars or the driver. Denise was >tsaken to the hosptial and put into icu I was watching tv waiting for >her to come home so i could open my presents. thats when my mom told me >was happened. at first i thought she was all right and we were going to >visit her. I took a card i made her because we had a real bad fight the >day before abd i wanted to make up with her I hated fighting with her >but we allways made up when we did and everything was all right. >When we got to the hosptial they told me to wait in the lobby and that i >wanent aloud to see her i sat there and cried until my mom asked the >nurse to let me in to see her. When i went in to her room there were >doctors all around her and wires and tubes attached to her and i was >realy scared because i knew she wasent all right. i sat next to her and >held her hand and talked to her but she wasent awake so i talked anyway >because i knew she would here me. She had a tube in her mouth so she >could breath. I resad the card to her and i hoped that i could read it >to her again once she was awake. It was hard to read because i was cring >so bad. I wished she would wake up so much. the nurse in the room was >real nice and told me that when she wakes up she read the card to her if >i wasent there. when it came time to leave i dident want to leave >because i diident want her to be scared when she woke up. But i went >home anyway because they wouldent let me stay. >Latter that night i couldent sleep because i was so scared that i would >never see again and i sat up and cried all night I never opened my >presents because i wanted her to be there whan i did. Eary that morning >i awoken to my parents cring. they told me that Denise had gone to >heaven which ment that she had died. she had a clot in her brain. the >doctors tried to operate but they were too late. No matter how fast they >were she couldent be saved. thats all i remember. i cant write any more >today….
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Reg Riddle wrote: > Lady J wrote: > >This, we all should know > >To live, we need to grow > >Without growth, we only exist > >Living in shadows and mist. > >There must be fertile ground > >A mind where dreams abound > >Then must be planted a seed > >Found through desperate need. > >For the seed to grow, there must be light > >More than eyes used for sight > >As a plant reaches out > >So must we, without doubt > >We cannot stay long alone > >To cry and wail and moan > >To gain, we must but try > >We cannot let hope die. > > 5/29/98 – J > Aw….Lady J…you didn’t tell me you had that much talent !!! I found your > poem to be so very moving and true. How can you say so much in that one poem ? > Thank you for sharing it. I’m keeping a copy if you don’t mind. I might need > to read it from time to time. > Hugs, > Gina
Thank you, Gina. Sometimes, the words are there. Hugs, J
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Lady J wrote: >This, we all should know >To live, we need to grow >Without growth, we only exist >Living in shadows and mist. >There must be fertile ground >A mind where dreams abound >Then must be planted a seed >Found through desperate need. >For the seed to grow, there must be light >More than eyes used for sight >As a plant reaches out >So must we, without doubt >We cannot stay long alone >To cry and wail and moan >To gain, we must but try >We cannot let hope die. > 5/29/98 – J
Aw….Lady J…you didn’t tell me you had that much talent !!! I found your poem to be so very moving and true. How can you say so much in that one poem ? Thank you for sharing it. I’m keeping a copy if you don’t mind. I might need to read it from time to time. Hugs, Gina >– > "Rivers belong where they can ramble > Eagles belong where they can fly > I’ve got to be where my spirit can run free > Gotta find my corner of the sky." >Subject: Growing >Path: >lobby03.news.aol.com!newstf02.news.aol.com!portc04.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.
wli.net!news-peer-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.concent ric.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!global-news-master >From: LadyJ3 <Lad…@pop3.concentric.net> >Newsgroups: alt.support.loneliness >Date: 30 May 1998 01:15:49 EDT >Organization: Concentric Internet Services >Lines: 31 >Message-ID: <3750C917.9FFCF…@pop3.concentric.net> >NNTP-Posting-Host: ts001d03.aus-tx.concentric.net >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) ></PRE></HTML>
"Nothing left to do but smile, smile, smile…." —– Grateful Dead
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Luvz2laf wrote: > J, > This is what I have been trying to say only the poem says it better and in less > words so its not boring…thanx > jan
Can’t say, "anytime". <laugh> The words aren’t alway there to write. : ) J — "Rivers belong where they can ramble Eagles belong where they can fly I’ve got to be where my spirit can run free Gotta find my corner of the sky."
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Dear LadyJ, Once again, you have dazzled my heart, and my mind. Thank you for your beautiful words of hope, and light. You never cease to inspire, and delight… The shadows and mist, have been my disguise and the light of hope, seems to burn at my eyes Sorry, couldn’t resist… I always look forward to your words, and when I see you have written another poem, I always know my heart is in for sweet comfort, and soothing… Thank you, dazzlin’ LadyJ… warm hugs, Michael Maddogg (dogg has a great Chihuahua disguise… think dogg can get into commercials?…) :-]~ In article <3750C917.9FFCF…@pop3.concentric.net>, LadyJ3 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<Lad…@pop3.concentric.net> wrote: >This, we all should know >To live, we need to grow >Without growth, we only exist >Living in shadows and mist. >There must be fertile ground >A mind where dreams abound >Then must be planted a seed >Found through desperate need. >For the seed to grow, there must be light >More than eyes used for sight >As a plant reaches out >So must we, without doubt >We cannot stay long alone >To cry and wail and moan >To gain, we must but try >We cannot let hope die. > 5/29/98 – J
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Maddogg wrote: > Dear LadyJ, > Once again, you have dazzled my heart, and my mind. > Thank you for your beautiful words of hope, and light. > You never cease to inspire, and delight… > The shadows and mist, have been my disguise > and the light of hope, seems to burn at my eyes > Sorry, couldn’t resist… > I always look forward to your words, and when I see you have > written another poem, I always know my heart is in for sweet > comfort, and soothing… Thank you, dazzlin’ LadyJ… > warm hugs, > Michael > Maddogg (dogg has a great Chihuahua disguise… > think dogg can get into commercials?…) :-]~
Darlin, thank you. Praise from you, is praise indeed. I think the next time I write one, I should collaborate with you. <smile> I truly like those lines you’ve written. When are you going to share some more of your writing, darlin’? It’s been long and long, you know. Hugs, J "Rivers belong where they can ramble Eagles belong where they can fly I’ve got to be where my spirit can run free Gotta find my corner of the sky."
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Caroline wrote: > : — > : "Rivers belong where they can ramble > : Eagles belong where they can fly > : I’ve got to be where my spirit can run free > : Gotta find my corner of the sky." > : > Thank you Lady J for sharing your beautiful poem. And I also like your new > sig very much. Isn’t that what we are all looking for: freedom… in the > company of other people of course. > Wishing you and everybody here in this warm group a weekend dedicated to > growing, > Caroline
I’ve run "free" a long time, Caro. It’s not me that wants to anymore. Just my spirit that needs to now. It’s needing out of city. Back into the peace of the woods and the water. Hugs, J — "Rivers belong where they can ramble Eagles belong where they can fly I’ve got to be where my spirit can run free Gotta find my corner of the sky."
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: — : "Rivers belong where they can ramble : Eagles belong where they can fly : I’ve got to be where my spirit can run free : Gotta find my corner of the sky." : Thank you Lady J for sharing your beautiful poem. And I also like your new sig very much. Isn’t that what we are all looking for: freedom… in the company of other people of course. Wishing you and everybody here in this warm group a weekend dedicated to growing, Caroline
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This, we all should know To live, we need to grow Without growth, we only exist Living in shadows and mist. There must be fertile ground A mind where dreams abound Then must be planted a seed Found through desperate need. For the seed to grow, there must be light More than eyes used for sight As a plant reaches out So must we, without doubt We cannot stay long alone To cry and wail and moan To gain, we must but try We cannot let hope die. 5/29/98 – J — "Rivers belong where they can ramble Eagles belong where they can fly I’ve got to be where my spirit can run free Gotta find my corner of the sky."
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J, This is what I have been trying to say only the poem says it better and in less words so its not boring…thanx jan
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Very deep… To be honest, the only thing that I can say right now? Easier said than done. Sometimes, I think that light has been replaced with a florescent cause my life’s just not as bright anymore, not that it’s even been that bright. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -LadyJ3 wrote: > This, we all should know > To live, we need to grow > Without growth, we only exist > Living in shadows and mist. > There must be fertile ground > A mind where dreams abound > Then must be planted a seed > Found through desperate need. > For the seed to grow, there must be light > More than eyes used for sight > As a plant reaches out > So must we, without doubt > We cannot stay long alone > To cry and wail and moan > To gain, we must but try > We cannot let hope die. > 5/29/98 – J > — > "Rivers belong where they can ramble > Eagles belong where they can fly > I’ve got to be where my spirit can run free > Gotta find my corner of the sky."
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This is beautiful, Brandon. Sad….but hopeful, I think. Jae – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Though love so name’d > Is naught but dream > Or so may seem > In hearts untame’d > And time in strands > By fear and want > Habit and flaunt > Slips through the hands > When dawns the morn’ > That eyes unclear > Will know how near > The soul was shorn > Still time endures > Though caught as we > At times may be > In our own lures > Brandon > — > ________ Here come the law > _____|______|_____ Gonna break down the door > / Gonna carry my away once more > | Dr. Rock | Never, Never, I never want it anymore > __________________/ Gotta get away from this stone cold floor > Crazy, stone cold crazy, y’know… > - Queen > `,———————— Brandon T. Houghton ———————–,’ > @}-`-,— —,-’-{@
– "Rivers belong where they can ramble…. Eagles belong where they can fly…. I’ve got to be….. Where my spirit can run free."
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Jae wrote: > I posted this several months ago. Felt like doing it again. > This, we all should know > To live, we need to grow > Without growth, we only exist > Living in shadows and mist. > There must be fertile ground > A mind where dreams abound > Then must be planted a seed > Found through desperate need. > For the seed to grow, there must be light > More than eyes used for sight > As a plant reaches out > So must we, without doubt. > We cannot stay long alone > To cry and wail and moan > To gain, we must but try > We cannot let hope die. > Jae 5/98
Though love so name’d Is naught but dream Or so may seem In hearts untame’d And time in strands By fear and want Habit and flaunt Slips through the hands When dawns the morn’ That eyes unclear Will know how near The soul was shorn Still time endures Though caught as we At times may be In our own lures Brandon — ________ Here come the law _____|______|_____ Gonna break down the door / Gonna carry my away once more | Dr. Rock | Never, Never, I never want it anymore __________________/ Gotta get away from this stone cold floor Crazy, stone cold crazy, y’know… - Queen `,———————— Brandon T. Houghton ———————–,’ @}-`-,— —,-’-{@
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I posted this several months ago. Felt like doing it again. This, we all should know To live, we need to grow Without growth, we only exist Living in shadows and mist. There must be fertile ground A mind where dreams abound Then must be planted a seed Found through desperate need. For the seed to grow, there must be light More than eyes used for sight As a plant reaches out So must we, without doubt. We cannot stay long alone To cry and wail and moan To gain, we must but try We cannot let hope die. Jae 5/98 — "Rivers belong where they can ramble…. Eagles belong where they can fly…. I’ve got to be….. Where my spirit can run free."
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In article <361AE317.1…@earthlink.net>, cele…@earthlink.net wrote: > I know I’ve neglected to do so in the past, so I’d like to take this > opportunity now to thank all of you, the members of > alt.support.loneliness, for all the support you’ve given me, especially > in this ongoing conflict with the one who now calls himself the "Dark > Side of Celebok." You’re a wonderful bunch of people, and I know the > last thing you need is yet another invader disrupting the peace that > you’ve struggled to maintain in this newsgroup.
Hello again all my new-found "friends" in A.S.L. Okay. So being over the top didn’t hammer home the point. Let’s try rational discussion, then. One of the things that irks me the most about Usenet is the number of people on it who claim to be intelligent, well-adjusted, and normal, but then absolutely refuse to observe the same rules of social decorum on the Net that they would in real-life. Good Celebok, you claim to be all of the above. And yet, when the sharks of soc.singles hounded you mercilessly for weeks about posting your reports there, you dug in your heels and refused to consider that perhaps your behavior wasn’t reasonable or sociable, citing the classic Usenet misfit’s "right to post anything you want anywhere you want." You are still posting your lengthy diatribes about Asian girls and fast food and the current energy usage of your apartment there, even re-posting reports that were initially posted months earlier. This is what is known as a "waste of bandwidth," and is also the boorish equivalent of crashing a party and then refusing to leave. All I’ve done here is give you a taste of your own medicine. Reasoning with you didn’t work. Insulting you in soc.singles didn’t work, even though it was done by more than ten people. I am interested in the notion that my attack on you here is not the first; there have been "other invaders?" Doesn’t that clue you in? Don’t you get the message? > truth is, you just can’t argue with these types of people.
And you claim to be a Christian. There’s only one "type of people," pal. > And Gina, I’m especially thankful for all your efforts to support me, > and I’m really sorry you got dragged into this mess. You didn’t deserve > some of his comments that were meant to attack you personally.
Yeah, she did. You wanna swim with the sharks, grow some teeth and a thicker skin. > Thanks again to all of you! Hopefully, this matter will be resolved > soon.
Consider it resolved. And for once, in your weird little life, THINK. And for the love of god, go out and get yourself a woman. Emperor Celebok ———–== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==———- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own
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Dear Morris…. I’m awed by your intelligent insight into this imposter and his evident problems….as well as your views on the solution. You’re making an awful lot of sense here…and I’m hoping it is heard by those that need to hear it. Thanks. Hugs and Smiles, Gina "How high can you fly with broken wings? Life’s a journey, not a destination, And I just can’t tell what tomorrow brings.." — Aerosmith
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Dear Raffaele…. You are to be commended for your excellent ability to research and retain. But (yes, that "word" again)….let’s not be so selective in our recollections. Do you remember when some of the people in ASL were thought to be trolls…yet all the while they kept insisting they were using their "right to free speech"; their right to post anything anywhere they wanted to on the net…..and it was through this insistence that these people did indeed prevail. I would think that especially those certain people once thought to be trolls would be the ones to support our Captain Celebok the most….and to support his rright to post whatever he wishes, wherever he wishes. An excellent example is you, Raffaele. Remember the problems in the beginning ? Well, you dug your heels in and insisted on your "rights" to stay. Now you are a very important part of this support group, and your care and support has been a help to many. Who is to say that our Captain Celebok could not do the same in some other ng ? Any arguments he may have with others in another ng is his business. It was the ignorant person from the other ng that brought the problems to ASL….certainly not our Captain Celebok, and I think we should stand behind him and support him in exercising his rights. This imposter Celebok is attempting to disrupt ASL and blame the disruption on our Captain Celebok. Such a weak argument !! Don’t you agree ? If we sit back and allow this imposter to intimidate and dictate who may or may not post in soc. singles and if he is allowed to dictate what can and cannot be written there….are we not defeating the purpose ? I think so. We should definitely stand behind our Captain Celebok and his rights to post anything anywhere he wishes. Anything less would support censorship. Hugs and Smiles… Gina "How high can you fly with broken wings? Life’s a journey, not a destination, And I just can’t tell what tomorrow brings.." — Aerosmith
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Ric wrote: >what you will find is a ridiculous and childish flame war, insults, >death threats, and more negativity than I want to see here again… >so please, if you follow Gina back to that time, don’t bring it back >with you to now… now is very different, much much better… >and I wish you would stop trying to disrupt the group with yesterday’s >mistakes and learn from them, Gina… >positive, supportive, posts… remember?… that’s what you were >supposedly fighting for back then… >you seem to be trying to rally people to take sides on some issue now, >Gina… if you are not, then please – tell your friends what you are >really trying to do with all your -asl is not good today- posts… >honest love, ric
Hey…wait !! You are the one that asked for specifics and I was just telling you where to find your specifics. There you go again….making mountains out of mole hills. Relax….get a grip. I am not your enemy. I don’t want to be anyone’s enemy…….but when my friendship is offered and thrown away…then I shake the dust from my fee and carry on. What are you trying to do to me ? Why do I find you criticizing me constantly ? At first, I believed you when you said it was out of love….I don’t believe that anymore. Well…anyway….I wasn’t doing anything except answering your demand for specifics, Ric. I’m beginning to think that you have mistaken my patience and unquestioning trust as a weakness…..you are wrong. Please stop trying to make me look like something I am not. Gina "How high can you fly with broken wings? Life’s a journey, not a destination, And I just can’t tell what tomorrow brings.." — Aerosmith
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<19981009163556.17337.00009…@ng42.aol.com>… >P.S. — When time permits, you might want to check out ASL from about July to >date. You’ll see what I mean.
what you will find is a ridiculous and childish flame war, insults, death threats, and more negativity than I want to see here again… so please, if you follow Gina back to that time, don’t bring it back with you to now… now is very different, much much better… and I wish you would stop trying to disrupt the group with yesterday’s mistakes and learn from them, Gina… positive, supportive, posts… remember?… that’s what you were supposedly fighting for back then… you seem to be trying to rally people to take sides on some issue now, Gina… if you are not, then please – tell your friends what you are really trying to do with all your -asl is not good today- posts… honest love, ric
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Dear Morris….<smiling> My message regarding a person’s right to post anything anywhere did not accurately reflect my true feelings. I was trying to drive home a point. If you go back a few months, you’ll see this same issue came up in ASL. I argued for "free speech only with responsibility", among other issues involving one being responsible and respectful to others ….but was ridiculed for my beliefs. In other words…what you read was exaggerated. I agree with you and your views 100%, Morris. And, no, I didn’t take your comments wrong at all. I welcomed them, for they reflect my own beliefs….and since you didn’t know I was over-dramatizing…I think it was very kind of you to post your position opposing what I had written. It was written in a caring manner….not a condemning one. Thank you, Morris. :-) Hugs and Smiles, Gina P.S. — When time permits, you might want to check out ASL from about July to date. You’ll see what I mean. "How high can you fly with broken wings? Life’s a journey, not a destination, And I just can’t tell what tomorrow brings.." — Aerosmith
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just a small question here…. if this holds true for "our" Celebok…. shouldnt it hold true for anyone? gina said to raff….. We should definitely stand behind our Captain Celebok and his rights to post anything anywhere he wishes. Anything less would support censorship. seems to me if this is true for one… it should be true for all…. just a thought. jan
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Celebok wrote … >Please do me a favor and ignore everything he says from now on.
apparently some people did not hear you CB… I’m reposting your request so they might see what you are asking for… I wouldn’t want anyone to intentionally disrespect you by not respecting your wishes… and thank you for putting the peace and support of this group ahead of your personal dispute with the troll… >Thanks again to all of you! Hopefully, this matter will be resolved >soon.
if everyone follows your advice and respects your request, it will will pass with the winds of Usenet weather honest love, ric
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Dear Celebok…. But…you’re a very special part of this group and friends should always stand up for friends, at least once, so the offender knows. :-) And, as you well know, it isn’t the first "mess" in which I’ve encountered. <smile> And hey !! I’m learning how to ignore personal attacks…maybe not very well in some instances, but this imposter didn’t bother me at all, so please don’t feel bad. I promise he won’t elicit another response from me, so please don’t worry, either. I was afraid that you might be upset by this character…but I should have known that you would see the jealousy behind it all. I do love your report !! So, keep ‘em coming … okay ? Hugs and Smiles…. Gina "trying to be too bad trying to talk too tough trying to jack the lad…. but he’s not the man you think he be I just don’t know why you can’t see that he is only the imposter…." — Elvis Costello
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you are a truly special person, CB… and thank *you* for maintaining your composure, retaining your sense of humour, and continuing to share your positive attitude here with us… it is easy to support you… you inspire my smile while teaching me something about life stay the course and be true ASL has faith in you honest love, ric – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Celebok wrote in message <361AE317.1…@earthlink.net>… >I know I’ve neglected to do so in the past, so I’d like to take this >opportunity now to thank all of you, the members of >alt.support.loneliness, for all the support you’ve given me, especially >in this ongoing conflict with the one who now calls himself the "Dark >Side of Celebok." You’re a wonderful bunch of people, and I know the >last thing you need is yet another invader disrupting the peace that >you’ve struggled to maintain in this newsgroup. As I’ve mentioned to a >few of you before, the best way to handle these attackers is to ignore >them. I really appreciate those of you who tried to defend me, but the >truth is, you just can’t argue with these types of people. Doing so >will only make things worse, and you’ll likely end up getting hurt. >And Gina, I’m especially thankful for all your efforts to support me, >and I’m really sorry you got dragged into this mess. You didn’t deserve >some of his comments that were meant to attack you personally. Please >do me a favor and ignore everything he says from now on. I’d hate to >see you get hurt again, especially by someone using my pseudonym! >Thanks again to all of you! Hopefully, this matter will be resolved >soon. >–Capt. Celebok >http://home.earthlink.net/~celebok
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Hi all! I’ve read the "Dark Celebok" last message. Just wondering, are you David K. Wilkins? (I’m forwarding this message to him). Your flaming style is close to his, as results from further parodies I’ve just seen in soc.singles, such as "the Celeblockhead Report". Anyway, you seem to share for the TCR the same appreciation David does. 
After reading some posts in soc.singles, I can say that the information provided by Dark Celebok is correct. It is true that Celebok has posted a lot of TCR in soc.singles, and it is true that he was flamed by several people. It seems, at this point, that Celebok has actually posted messages that was off-topic there. It seems that he repeatedly broke their rules. He should have been aware of this, for he posted in that group for weeks. When Celebok has posted his complain about the presence of a "fake", he didn’t explain what happened in soc.singles. This was the most relevant insight about the matter, explaining why he was flamed. Besides, he knows well ASL and was sure expecting that such a message would have followed by a series of supportive articles, even if he didn’t ask this explicitly. Henceforth, people of this group came in his help, believing that Dark Celebok was targeting him with no specific purpose. I for one suspected that he was some enemy, but trusted Celebok. OTOH, I’ve considered Dark Celebok as a troll, and in fact he acted as a troll for some time. But the true Celebok acted as a troll in soc.singles, posting a series of off-topics as well. I would have not supported Celebok the way I did if he had told *all* the truth on this matter. I only came because I thought that a member of this group has been mistreated. Several posters in soc.singles are skilled flamers. They way have decided to come here in mass. Celebok, you’ve has exposed us to the danger of a major "troll invasion", not only a single invader. And yes, this is the least thing we need, so try not to provoke it! As to the invaders who came in the past, many of the present regulars where considered as such. Genuine trolls here are rare, but a lot of fuss were done against people who seemed not conform to a narrow idea of those who can give or deserve support. Some "defenders" didn’t confine ourselves to flames, but also collected of private mail not directed to them and threatened to post them publicly (maybe after some appropriate editing?), in an attempt to discredit them. The methods chosed by those of soc.singles, as by Dark Celebok, to protect *their* group, sound ethically acceptable. In many group flame the trolls is customary. Assuming an alias, too, is not a crime. Many of the past and present regulars in ASL did it. To speak of "this kind of people" and so on is a bad habit that *must* be abandoned. Comments should be done on behaviour, not on the person. Many of the actual regulars was labeled with delicious names. This was done by people who hadn’t the least idea of what they were speaking about. To believe is easier than to think. The ASLers have often serious problems to deal with, such as low self-esteem, major emotional distress, multiple losses and so on. This may explain the tendency to become a little too dramatic. But improving and better controlling (which is not inhibiting) our views and our way to write is a matter to deal with. If somebody goes out of order, we should not approve and encourage this. Nowadays, this group is better than before under this respect. Let’s go ahead! — All the best Raffaele <http://www.angelfire.com/mi/raffaele55/> In article <6vfv2l$73…@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text - cele…@hotmail.com wrote: > In article <361AE317.1…@earthlink.net>, > cele…@earthlink.net wrote: > > I know I’ve neglected to do so in the past, so I’d like to take this > > opportunity now to thank all of you, the members of > > alt.support.loneliness, for all the support you’ve given me, especially > > in this ongoing conflict with the one who now calls himself the "Dark > > Side of Celebok." You’re a wonderful bunch of people, and I know the > > last thing you need is yet another invader disrupting the peace that > > you’ve struggled to maintain in this newsgroup. > Hello again all my new-found "friends" in A.S.L. > Okay. So being over the top didn’t hammer home the point. Let’s try rational > discussion, then. > One of the things that irks me the most about Usenet is the number of people > on it who claim to be intelligent, well-adjusted, and normal, but then > absolutely refuse to observe the same rules of social decorum on the Net that > they would in real-life. > Good Celebok, you claim to be all of the above. And yet, when the sharks of > soc.singles hounded you mercilessly for weeks about posting your reports > there, you dug in your heels and refused to consider that perhaps your > behavior wasn’t reasonable or sociable, citing the classic Usenet misfit’s > "right to post anything you want anywhere you want." You are still posting > your lengthy diatribes about Asian girls and fast food and the current energy > usage of your apartment there, even re-posting reports that were initially > posted months earlier. > This is what is known as a "waste of bandwidth," and is also the boorish > equivalent of crashing a party and then refusing to leave. All I’ve done here > is give you a taste of your own medicine. > Reasoning with you didn’t work. Insulting you in soc.singles didn’t work, even > though it was done by more than ten people. I am interested in the notion that > my attack on you here is not the first; there have been "other invaders?" > Doesn’t that clue you in? Don’t you get the message? > > truth is, you just can’t argue with these types of people. > And you claim to be a Christian. > There’s only one "type of people," pal. > > And Gina, I’m especially thankful for all your efforts to support me, > > and I’m really sorry you got dragged into this mess. You didn’t deserve > > some of his comments that were meant to attack you personally. > Yeah, she did. You wanna swim with the sharks, grow some teeth and a thicker > skin. > > Thanks again to all of you! Hopefully, this matter will be resolved > > soon. > Consider it resolved. And for once, in your weird little life, THINK. And for > the love of god, go out and get yourself a woman. > Emperor Celebok > ———–== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==———- > http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own
———–== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==———- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own
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I know I’ve neglected to do so in the past, so I’d like to take this opportunity now to thank all of you, the members of alt.support.loneliness, for all the support you’ve given me, especially in this ongoing conflict with the one who now calls himself the "Dark Side of Celebok." You’re a wonderful bunch of people, and I know the last thing you need is yet another invader disrupting the peace that you’ve struggled to maintain in this newsgroup. As I’ve mentioned to a few of you before, the best way to handle these attackers is to ignore them. I really appreciate those of you who tried to defend me, but the truth is, you just can’t argue with these types of people. Doing so will only make things worse, and you’ll likely end up getting hurt. And Gina, I’m especially thankful for all your efforts to support me, and I’m really sorry you got dragged into this mess. You didn’t deserve some of his comments that were meant to attack you personally. Please do me a favor and ignore everything he says from now on. I’d hate to see you get hurt again, especially by someone using my pseudonym! Thanks again to all of you! Hopefully, this matter will be resolved soon. –Capt. Celebok http://home.earthlink.net/~celebok
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In article <361AE317.1…@earthlink.net>, cele…@earthlink.net says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I know I’ve neglected to do so in the past, so I’d like to take this >opportunity now to thank all of you, the members of >alt.support.loneliness, for all the support you’ve given me, especially >in this ongoing conflict with the one who now calls himself the "Dark >Side of Celebok." You’re a wonderful bunch of people, and I know the >last thing you need is yet another invader disrupting the peace that >you’ve struggled to maintain in this newsgroup. As I’ve mentioned to a >few of you before, the best way to handle these attackers is to ignore >them. I really appreciate those of you who tried to defend me, but the >truth is, you just can’t argue with these types of people. Doing so >will only make things worse, and you’ll likely end up getting hurt. >And Gina, I’m especially thankful for all your efforts to support me, >and I’m really sorry you got dragged into this mess. You didn’t deserve >some of his comments that were meant to attack you personally. Please >do me a favor and ignore everything he says from now on. I’d hate to >see you get hurt again, especially by someone using my pseudonym! >Thanks again to all of you! Hopefully, this matter will be resolved >soon. >–Capt. Celebok >http://home.earthlink.net/~celebok
Carry on, Captain! You’re appreciated! Shalom & hugs, Nick
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Sorry….forget I wrote this….I’m just pissed that I had yet another fruitless weekend (except for the four-alarm fire at the wedding reception I went to…) Mike – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Mike Taylor wrote in message <3568fab…@news.one.net>… >I’m sorry but I’m quite perturbed by all the people who feel like I’m doing >this by choice. That I HAVE a choice. The fact is, I DON’T. There is no >simplistic answer that’s going to cure me and I suddenly become a party hound. >It just doesn’t happen that way. >I’m done. >Mike
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Greetings to all of you, Some of you whine, some of you support, some of you lurk, and others like me just pass through. I am writing to lend (I hope) a message of survival and general uplift to those out there that are feeling lonely. I will tell you a story of how one can change if one puts their mind to it. I learned to hold myself outside of the standard emotional interactions of others as a child. Never getting too close. Call it a gift or a curse, but it can be a wonderful survival tool as well. When I was 15 I saw my girl friend hit by a car and killed, and a month later we moved 3000+ miles with the military. Always the new kid on the block, the chameleon. Always blending in, and never really noticed. Entered college like most I knew, and was still a little too scrawny and geeky to get dates. Was every gals "friend", that cursed word of the nice guy. But, be a friend!!! it is better than being a cad. By being friends with gals, I learned to listen and talk to them and not just use them. Eventually this skill and way of being paid off. I became popular, though still detached emotionally, and never giving my heart over to anyone. I had no idea I was needy and lonely although with people all the time. Near the end of college I started to date a Lady who worked with law enforcement. To make a long story shorter, I thought I was in love with her. She died in the line of duty half a year before we planned to be married. This was a VERY lonely period of my life. I felt sorry for myself and dove into my work and ground on with life. My best friend of six years became my constant social companion and shoulder to lean on. Three years later we married against her very traditional families wishes. I had learned to lean on her, and think I that I loved her. She was a high fashion model and beautiful beyond words, but that does not make love of the heart, just lust. The marriage failed due to rules that changed and the fact that I should have opened my heart. In the end, she quite literally "screwed" up (my best male friend (I thought)), and the marriage was over. I was devastated, and not feeling too good either … very lonely again. After a year of being a social hermit, I started to reevaluate my life. I realized, that one must be a happy island before you invite someone into your life. I decided to be happy alone, and if anyone else happened by, I might <??> consider her. Do NOT look for relationships. I started to play 9-ball again, and socialize with people to have games. I learned to enjoy movies and dinner without having someone else there. One gets use to the looks from the "help". One must learn to be comfortable alone, before being comfortable with another. I accidentally met this lady back in January that is going through a bloody X’ing from a cheating jerk who never planned to be true to her. We fell head over heels in love. This time with my whole heart and mind. Now to twist the ending of the story. The Divorce is not done yet, so we called a stop to the dating. She needs to get use to being on her own and be happy alone before I could be guaranteed a decent chance to have a healthy relationship with her. HELL yes I am lonely. She is many thousands of miles away helping a friend deal with two dying parents. But, I’d rather know I found my soul mate, and that we are doing what is needed to improve our chances of having a relationship that lasts until OLD AGE passes, then screw it up by rushing things. Now for advise. Stay away from the TV .. it does numb the mind. Read more books, magazines and journals. Learn what is needed to advance in your job in night classes with others. Research what the news media tells you, don’t just go along with being spoon fed life. Go grab life and start doing with it what you love. Hike, climb, sky dive, walk, read, play billiards, go to movies, socialize OUTSIDE of bars, go to parks. Do SOMETHING, but don’t sit there and think that loneliness goes away on its own. It is not easy, but it is not impossible either. Avoid alcohol, drugs and things to numb the mind and body. GO work out. I am happier now then I ever have been in my life. If for some strange reason I never get to be with my soul mate, I will not sit in the corner and be lonely. Lonely is a destructive way to think. It is a habit. I miss my lovely lady, and I get lonely. But I do not sit around and mope. Remember that when you are lonely. It is a habit and a way of thinking. One can just decide to change things. It may not be easy, and one may take 3 steps forward and fall back 4 and fight back 3. But keep fighting to change. If you need people to be around, go help others. Give of yourself to heal yourself. Life goes on, and it does get better, with effort. I apologize if I rambled or was not clear enough. I am NOT rewriting this. <grin> Good luck to all of you. DBD. …
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ma noire~~ I am deeply touched by your thoughts and the honestly encompensed within. I desperately wish I had some great words of wisdom (some important thought) to share with you, but I don’t. There is this one song that I love. It’s called Boulder to Birmingham; and the line that is so true and so sad and so tough goes like this….. "well, you really got me this time….and the hardest part is knowing I’ll survive." this is what it means to me: Bad bad shit happens in your life, and you struggle with it, and you’re scared not only of the bad shit, but also scared of the struggle you will have to face to get over it. It’s so painful to heal. Sometimes it hurts more than the cut itself. But you have to have faith in yourself that you will heal, and that you will prevail in the struggle, and you’ll make it to "the other side." The hardest part is knowing you’ll have to live through the pain–you can’t fast forward your life to "the good parts"~~ the hardest part is knowing you will survive. You have to survive ma noir! Love and empowerment, Steff
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(SPOILER) (another very VERY long post) So I’m eating. I’m past my satiation point. I know what i’m heading for. O.K. whats going on. . . . What am i using this food to cope with right now? I feel alone. I want to reach out and connect with people. I want to be part of something, society. But i feel trapped because i’m so fightened to reach out. I don’t believe i can be anybody’s friend right now. I don’t feel i have much to offer and know i can’t be around people for long. I know i can’t be counted on right now. I want to reach out and be accepted, but feel i can’t give anything in return so expect that i’ll be rejected and so i remain here in my home on my own and crawl out at night when no one can really see me, go for a walk and in complete anonymity, perhaps attend a movie in this big big city. This thought of course makes me sad and i have to quickly remind myself that it is ok to do the poor-me thing and explore where it will take me as opposed to stuffing it back in – yes, accept even such a revolting trait as self pity! Self-acceptance is the only way out cause it leads to self-love and that, to self-care. I’ll probably repeat this a feew times to try to make it a prominant thought in my reems of thought). O.k so it makes me sad and it also makes me angry. I feel stuck. Perhaps it also brings me back to my empty and lonely childhood. No wonder i’m b/p-ing. I don’t know how else to cope with these overwhelming feelings of inadequacy, loneliness, anger. Its easier to be so busy with food that i don’t have to feel these things. I write this and i feel shifty. Its easier, yes, but also more painful because it ensures my isolation and staying stuck. Had i learned other ways of coping way back when i was 11 (when the e-d began happening), I wouldn’t be doing this right now. But no one was there to teach me then and i had to do it on my own and I began feeding myself all those foods that were forbidden in our home. I didn’t have any money then so i used to actually go into stores and steal this food. Of course, i started to balloon and was shocked at this. It was slow in happening though because i was such an active child. Eating this stuff was like saying to the adults of that time: "yeah, you care about what i eat but you really don’t care about ME, you’re not around to parent me (whatever parenting means) and when i need your protection because some adult is hurting me, you not only don’t do anything about it, YOU DON’T BELIEVE ME!!! So you don’t really care about me, you just want to control me. So see if you can!". And I also was feeling responsible for the abuse i was bearing. I thought it was because i had acted seductively or something like that. I was only 10 and a half! He was 25!! Who was seducing who? Who was the ADULT?? Throwing up felt like a release from my guilt, my shame for "being seductive". It was also my punishment as though what he was doing wasn’t punishment enough – but i learned really quickly not to feel a thing. That has taken me years of conscious and persistant hard work to undo and begin to actually be able to feel sexual. Most of it is now undone, so the work was worth it! But it still crops up now and then and takes me by surprise and i get frustrated and discouraged because "i thought i was over that". And only with gentleness, respectful of what i need at those times, be it to back off sexually, or to go really slowly and gently and to say no as soon as it feels emotionally or physically uncomfortable to me without having to explain why . . . Only in this caring manner do i come out of it and become o.k. again and able to participate in healthy sexual activity and even talk about it. So why don’t i apply this technique to b/p-ing? I eat like crazy, i purge, i berate myself for both. While i purge, i split off because i don’t like what i’m doing – it doesn’t feel good and it doesn’t always come easy and i feel ashamed for what i’m doing and can’t justify this act, so i "leave" in the same way i did during the abuse but hate myself afterwards. Interesting how the act of purging resembles greatly the sexual abuse of that time. So, should i lay off, quit being so harsh on myself? Accept that this is my coping skill for now and trust that in time as i show empathy for myself (instead of berating myself) perhaps i’ll start feeling that i really don’t want to do this to myself anymore? Because, yes, empathy brings self-love and with self-love comes the desire to care for self. So is my biggest enemy self-beration? (if there is such a word) Shall i experiment for awhile, make a conscious effort to not ptu myself down for using this coping skill? I’ve been advised to read another book: "Breaking Free From Compulsive Eating" by Geneen Roth. A very scary book. Its been on my shelf for about 8 years and i’ve barely touched it because what it proposed was so scary. But i feel i’m at a place where i don’t have much options. I’m dying inside. This e-d is killing my spark. I don’t want to be part of the living dead. So now i’m gonna go for a walk and take my two books along with me (Hirschman’s and Roth’s) and head out to a cafe where i can read in a corner sipping tea on my own but at least surrounded by sounds of others, of life. If this is the only way i can participate in life right now, then let it be so. It won’t always have to be this way. After all, for now, what is as satisfying, predictable, familiar and as numbing as this food game? No wonder i don’t want to let it go! I have nothing to fall back on yet. And that is what i’m trying to explore and develope with the support of my therapist: I’m trying to establish a connection with a deeper inner strength that i’ve split off from long ago but has shown its existance anyway by the mere fact that I have persevered in this life for as long as i have. No, i can’t do this stuff on my own at this time and thats o.k. I refuse to berate myself for this as well. All that would do is ensure that i remain stuck and bulimic. It is not a weakness to reach out for help. Instead it comforts me as in times of absolute discouragement and frustration, it acts as a reminder of my desire to live, to connect with someone and get over this debilitating thing. Anyone have a positive thought or quote to send me? To try, always, and overcome – ma noire – — For more information about this service, send e-mail to:
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: the rumor i have heard is that snoop doggy dog is going to play lolla. i : will be pissed, he is good but i could think of better rap, like : outkast,de la soul, or even hammer would be better than snoop Hammer, eh? I don’t know… mark
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the rumor i have heard is that snoop doggy dog is going to play lolla. i will be pissed, he is good but i could think of better rap, like outkast,de la soul, or even hammer would be better than snoop
Hammer? How the hell is that better rap. If you want to talk hip hop at Lollapalooza, try Method Man/Wu-tang clan, or the Notorious B.I.G. Snoop would be a cool way to wind down after all the frenzy. Peace out, Geneyus.
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the rumor i have heard is that snoop doggy dog is going to play lolla. i will be pissed, he is good but i could think of better rap, like outkast,de la soul, or even hammer would be better than snoop Hammer? How the hell is that better rap. If you want to talk hip hop at Lollapalooza, try Method Man/Wu-tang clan, or the Notorious B.I.G. Snoop would be a cool way to wind down after all the frenzy.
If Snoop does play that will give me a good time to take a shit cause As for the whole Lolla thing, it blows…. really hard. I mean I like a day of good music and everything else but Lolla really has turned into a corporate posting, teeny bopper, I want to be a one day hippie, collection of donkey shit sucking music. Can’t any new band al least TRY to be original. Everything good has been done!!! Everything new sounds re hashed and UNORIGINAL. Booger << —
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I heard he’ll be there along with Cypress Hill as the hip-hop representatives. : the rumor i have heard is that snoop doggy dog is going to play lolla. i : will be pissed, he is good but i could think of better rap, like : outkast,de la soul, or even hammer would be better than snoop — Scott C. Schneider 212-479-7879 "The past was yours, but the future’s mine…" – The Stone Roses
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hammer was a joke peace – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : the rumor i have heard is that snoop doggy dog is going to play lolla. i : will be pissed, he is good but i could think of better rap, like : outkast,de la soul, or even hammer would be better than snoop Hammer, eh? I don’t know… mark
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hammer was a joke peace : the rumor i have heard is that snoop doggy dog is going to play lolla. i : will be pissed, he is good but i could think of better rap, like : outkast,de la soul, or even hammer would be better than snoop Hammer, eh? I don’t know… mark
if he does, im sure as hell not going to go see it, i really think that the people who are organizing it should go 100% alternative, most of the acts are. i mean, who really went to see george clinton? NOw im gonna get mail how great george clinton is, crap. stay after, stay before, Look for me as: this is no good, go do more. Gargamel, Doolittle, Trickster (if you care) ___ ___ ____ _____ ____ ___ __ ___ ___ __ I\ I ll II ~\ \ / // I\ l // l \ l ll ll // \ / // l \ l // l \ l ll lll\ \ / //____ l \ l //____ I \I II ll \ | \/ // I \I // ~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~’ ~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~ "Our whole existance is for your amusement" – Kurt Cobain
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if he does, im sure as hell not going to go see it, i really think that the people who are organizing it should go 100% alternative, most of the acts are. i mean, who really went to see george clinton? NOw im gonna get mail how great george clinton is, crap.
Damn right you are, you racist jerk. Without George, there would be no Chili Peppers. End of story. And there is a lot of rap that appeals to "alternative" fans, witness past shows. Someone hit this guy with a Bad Brains cd, or maggot brain by funkadelic. Ted …who went to Lolla to see George, instead of that other crap…
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Without George, there would be no Chili Peppers.
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