Question 7
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Why is the dollar so low at the moment and is it for Europeans so cheap to go on an holiday to the USA (because of the Euro) ? Berty
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hhhmmphr…. what? HuH? Oh Gawwwd Berty is that you again? What is it this time now question number seven? post post post post post post yeee GADS you never stop. Okay lets see what it is…sit down while you wait..no problem….tea or coffe? I have some vodka to put in it??? Okay no then now what…… Oh that about the dollar being low and the euro and the travel thingy. Thats all part of our invasion plans. We had to tip the econmic realities in the right way for the best economic advance once we get the marines over the dikes. If thats it I’d like to get back to work on my material for thursday party of 25 people. I might go camping until then. Bring my guitar. I love Holland Berty and it is as insulting for me to imagine that as if it were being done to Hoboken New Jerse….or Canada. I have visited the Netherlands twice. I’m very worried and concerned about the changes nine eleven has brought to our government and national character. Now..fritx fratz it…..lemme get back to my plotting and scheming. I’m planning to ake over Berty. Yup. Am. Dambo CLOSE THE DOOR EASY….damn clasp don’t work right……. http://community.webtv.net/damodara/MyStoryasIseeit
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<damod…@webtv.net> schreef in bericht news:17451-3D207F6F-91@storefull-2198.public.lawson.webtv.net… > hhhmmphr…. > what? HuH? Oh Gawwwd Berty is that you again? > What is it this time now question number seven? > post post post post post post yeee GADS you never stop.
Hey you noticed 
This way of posting has become quite commonplace here (essau , duck, etc). It irritated me also, but hey, I decided to go allong with modern times. I am invading the alt.support.sz. ng. Planning to take over. The first blow is half the battle. (LOL) > Okay lets see what it is…sit down while you wait..no problem….tea or > coffe? > I have some vodka to put in it???
Sure, I drink coffee all the time. I live of coffee nowadays. But extra vodka…. I would even fly to you to get such a treat !!!! > Okay no then now what…… > Oh that about the dollar being low and the euro and the travel thingy. > Thats all part of our invasion plans. > We had to tip the econmic realities in the right way for the best > economic advance once we get the marines over the dikes.
As long as they don’t invade during coffee-time. > If thats it I’d like to get back to work on my material for thursday > party of 25 people. > I might go camping until then. > Bring my guitar.
Sounds like you have a nice time coming up. Enjoy the party > I love Holland Berty and it is as insulting for me to imagine that as if > it were being done to Hoboken New Jerse….or Canada. I have visited the > Netherlands twice.
Always welcome for a new visit > I’m very worried and concerned about the changes nine eleven has brought > to our government and national character.
Yeah. General opinion here is that the Americans have become bunkers after sept. 11th. Russia has become a free place. But America seems to go to a totalitarian regime. I mean, just look at the answers I got. Everybody is frigthened to say anything. Why? Because all their emails are being checked by the CIA, FBI and NSA. People in the USA start to become affraid to say something. Just like Russia in old times. Seems like a dark curtain has fallen over the country. Is this the land of liberty and free speech? > Now..fritx fratz it…..lemme get back to my plotting and scheming. I’m > planning to ake over Berty. > Yup. Am. > Dambo > CLOSE THE DOOR EASY….damn clasp don’t work right…….
It’s is ok Damo. I was just wondering whether you people are aware what kind of image building the USA is doing abroad nowadays. Berty
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Some are aware Berty and some are scared. Don’t they call it war fever? My game is to go sit by some water under trees and read. The geat here is going into the upper ninties today. Heat is unbearable. No……not much consideration for world opinion has surfaced. Darn it….so many people feel so adamently about the new world I’m afraid to speak further. First time that happened. I seem to understand having read lotsa Moslem al quada speeches and all about retaking Spain and etc…..that pretty much forever we’re going to be killing Moslems. There is no end and there is no compromise possible. Its just what Islamic extremists do and our job now and forever is to kill them as fast and with as much efficency as possible and there s no end of it concevable. Imagining an end is irrational. Just kill forever, both sides. And it makes me really sick lately whenever I get close to this understanding. Maybe there is a flaw in my thinking…I hope so… And the government has become penny wise and pound foolish in its approach. I have seen editorials and editorial cartoons explaining how it is unamerican to criticize Bush or the goverment. Of course its not funny. Most people here believe the arabs will do it again bigger and badder. Oh whatever…I gotta pack my pack and get outta here before the heat gets bad. Damo
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damod…@webtv.net wrote: > Imagining an end is irrational. Just kill forever, both sides. > And it makes me really sick lately whenever I get close to this > understanding. > Maybe there is a flaw in my thinking…I hope so… > And the government has become penny wise and pound foolish in its > approach.
Peace is the way to peace. — For info about this service, see http://anon.twwells.com/help/ or e-mail: h…@anon.twwells.com — for an automatically returned help message ad…@anon.twwells.com – for the service’s administrator ano…@anon.twwells.com — anonymous mail to the administrator
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<damod…@webtv.net> schreef in bericht news:13328-3D218F81-91@storefull-2195.public.lawson.webtv.net… > Some are aware Berty and some are scared. Don’t they call it war fever?
Well Americans had been lucky so far. Now it also has to deal with terror. Nothing new under the sun. > My game is to go sit by some water under trees and read. The geat here > is going into the upper ninties today. > Heat is unbearable.
Yeah that must be absolutely terrible. We have cool summers and warm winters. > No……not much consideration for world opinion has surfaced. > Darn it….so many people feel so adamently about the new world I’m > afraid to speak further. First time that happened.
Yeah that is what I mean. A few religious fanatics changes your society completely. How many Moslims are living in the USA? In Europe we have about 15 million Moslims. We don’t really feel borthered by it. > I seem to understand having read lotsa Moslem al quada speeches and all > about retaking Spain and etc…..that pretty much forever we’re going to > be killing Moslems.
There is no easy solution to the terror by Al Quada. Peace negotiations in the Middle East are doomed to fail. Irak remains a threat to the USA. Arab hatred seems to origin in the USA commitment of guarding Israel, funding and arming it. There is no unity in the Arab world. Maybe one day they will have their own currency, but there is no horizon for a united states of Arabia. Maybe in the future there will be more groups like Al Quada. Attacking Irak will increase Arab hatred. A lot of the Al Quada members come from Saudi Arabia, the country that the USA was trying to protect in the Gulf War against Iraq. That is how good they appreciated the help. > There is no end and there is no compromise possible. Its just what > Islamic extremists do and our job now and forever is to kill them as > fast and with as much efficency as possible and there s no end of it > concevable. > Imagining an end is irrational. Just kill forever, both sides.
You may be right. There is no way to negotiate with Al Quada. There is no way to negotiate with the Palestinians too. Friendly looking countries like Saudi Arabia will continue producing new religious fanatics ready to kill themselves for the greater good. > And it makes me really sick lately whenever I get close to this > understanding.
How many people are living in the USA? How many people get killed by car accidents in the USA? How many people get killed by crimes in the USA? How many people don’t get treated in hospital and die? How many homeless people die every year? Those deaths seem not important, but I think that every life counts. In the UK terror is a way of living. The IRA has been killing lots of English people. In Spain it is exactly the same with the ETA. France has it occasional bombers from Algeria. Italy has the mafia. Germany had the Bader Meinhoff group. The Netherlands had the Molukkers who kidnapped trains and buildings for a free Ambon (island in Indonesia). > Maybe there is a flaw in my thinking…I hope so… > And the government has become penny wise and pound foolish in its > approach. > I have seen editorials and editorial cartoons explaining how it is > unamerican to criticize Bush or the goverment. > Of course its not funny.
Well you are in a WAR against terror. In WAR traitors get the bullet. Next step could be Marshall Law and Curfew at night. > Most people here believe the arabs will do it again bigger and badder.
I don’t think so. > Oh whatever…I gotta pack my pack and get outta here before the heat > gets bad.
Have fun in the shade Damo. Berty
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I just came from an AA meeting and I wasn’t allowed to speak. I just wanted to ask where I could get some Tvarsky 160 Proof Vodka for my Pepsi.
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Sandie wrote: > damod…@webtv.net wrote: > > Imagining an end is irrational. Just kill forever, both sides. > > And it makes me really sick lately whenever I get close to this > > understanding. > > Maybe there is a flaw in my thinking…I hope so… > > And the government has become penny wise and pound foolish in its > > approach. > Peace is the way to peace.
I sometimes wonder if peace is irrelevant to some people now. ER…
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Hi ER, – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -ER wrote: > Sandie wrote: > > damod…@webtv.net wrote: > > > Imagining an end is irrational. Just kill forever, both sides. > > > And it makes me really sick lately whenever I get close to this > > > understanding. > > > Maybe there is a flaw in my thinking…I hope so… > > > And the government has become penny wise and pound foolish in its > > > approach. > > Peace is the way to peace. > I sometimes wonder if peace is irrelevant to some people now. > ER…
Apparently it is irrelevant to many people, especially as they identify themselves with groups for which it seems irrelevant (such as nations, gangs, mobs, etc.). Without the mind-numbing influence of group-related goals of conquest and acquisition, fueled by greed and hunger for power, many (if not most) individuals would be happy with a peaceful world… if they really *thought* about it. Every goal begins with a thought. I like to imagine that possibility, anyway. Sandie — For info about this service, see http://anon.twwells.com/help/ or e-mail: h…@anon.twwells.com — for an automatically returned help message ad…@anon.twwells.com – for the service’s administrator ano…@anon.twwells.com — anonymous mail to the administrator
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Sandie wrote: > > > Peace is the way to peace. > > I sometimes wonder if peace is irrelevant to some people now. > > ER… > Apparently it is irrelevant to many people, especially as they identify > themselves with groups for which it seems irrelevant (such as nations, > gangs, mobs, etc.).
There was a documentary recently investigating physical changes of the mind as a result of experiences. It was investigating the effect of violence on children born into such an environment. > Without the mind-numbing influence of group-related goals of conquest and > acquisition, fueled by greed and hunger for power, many (if not most) > individuals would be happy with a peaceful world… if they really > *thought* about it.
To rough quote Don Quixote, "We live in a world which rewards violence…" Personally I tend to agree. Hence I tend to be in variance with you here. You may have seen my quotes in the past about society defaulting to corruption… [sings] "Hear me now, oh thou bleak and unbearable world, Thou art base and debauched as can be…." > Every goal begins with a thought. > I like to imagine that possibility, anyway.
It gives me greater peace to believe what I believe… The world makes much more sense these days… ER…
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Hi ER, – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -ER wrote: > Sandie wrote: > > > > Peace is the way to peace. > > > I sometimes wonder if peace is irrelevant to some people now. > > > ER… > > Apparently it is irrelevant to many people, especially as they identify > > themselves with groups for which it seems irrelevant (such as nations, > > gangs, mobs, etc.). > There was a documentary recently investigating physical changes of the mind > as a result of experiences. > It was investigating the effect of violence on children born into such an > environment.
Profound changes, I would imagine. Just as "we are what we eat", "we are what we experience". We need to feed our heads with good things, and sometimes, that is out of our control in this violent world. That is especially so for children… so the violent cycle continues and intensifies. > > Without the mind-numbing influence of group-related goals of conquest and > > acquisition, fueled by greed and hunger for power, many (if not most) > > individuals would be happy with a peaceful world… if they really > > *thought* about it. > To rough quote Don Quixote, "We live in a world which rewards violence…" > Personally I tend to agree. > Hence I tend to be in variance with you here.
Actually, I agree with you on this, ER. You have a good point. The world *does* reward violence, for individuals as well as groups. It’s just that perpetrating violence in a group is usually "safer" for an individual, especially when it’s justified as being OK, even legal, such as in the wars of the nations. People who might not otherwise be violent are actually trained to hurt other people. Sometimes they’re forced to do so. Even the leaders who arrange the wars are to some degree caught up in a violent system that is bigger than all of us. And as long as they identify with being a cog in the system, they will be subject to the propaganda that insidiously enforces willing acquiescence and participation in the self-destruction. I guess I was just reasoning that if individuals consciously *choose* to remove themselves from that influence, they would think differently. Actually, I *know* that’s true… but not for many, and certainly not for most people. Perhaps I was just singing an idealistic song, but no… peace-lovers will always be in the minority. > You may have seen my quotes in the past about society defaulting to > corruption…
Yes. > [sings] > "Hear me now, oh thou bleak and unbearable world, > Thou art base and debauched as can be…."
Too true. > > Every goal begins with a thought. > > I like to imagine that possibility, anyway. > It gives me greater peace to believe what I believe… > The world makes much more sense these days…
It’s a realistic view. Mine is not far different from yours. I, also, believe that there is no hope for this corrupt world. But I believe in another, future world. A peaceful one. ER, I almost quoted scripture Sandie — For info about this service, see http://anon.twwells.com/help/ or e-mail: h…@anon.twwells.com — for an automatically returned help message ad…@anon.twwells.com – for the service’s administrator ano…@anon.twwells.com — anonymous mail to the administrator
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Sandie wrote: > Hi ER,
[bow] > > There was a documentary recently investigating physical changes of the mind > > as a result of experiences. > > It was investigating the effect of violence on children born into such an > > environment. > Profound changes, I would imagine. Just as "we are what we eat", "we are what > we experience". We need to feed our heads with good things,
Another point they made was that if you don’t use it, you loose it… If children aren’t stimulated in certain areas such as interpersonal relationship communications, their capacity is diminished… That part of the brain function is not fully developed… I think there was a suggestion that this might allow other areas to develop better, btw. > and sometimes, that > is out of our control in this violent world. That is especially so for > children… so the violent cycle continues and intensifies.
The cycle of violence becomes a "normal" part of existence… > > To rough quote Don Quixote, "We live in a world which rewards violence…" > > Personally I tend to agree. > > Hence I tend to be in variance with you here. > Actually, I agree with you on this, ER. You have a good point. The world *does* > reward violence, for individuals as well as groups. > It’s just that perpetrating violence in a group is usually "safer" for an > individual, especially when it’s justified as being OK, even legal, such as in > the wars of the nations.
War as in legalized murder… > People who might not otherwise be violent are actually > trained to hurt other people. Sometimes they’re forced to do so.
But then again you could see it from the other perspective where children are trained to be non violent. I think it is a case of: "Give me the boy till aged 7, and I will show you the man…" > I guess I was just reasoning that if individuals consciously *choose* to remove > themselves from that influence, they would think differently. Actually, I > *know* that’s true… but not for many, and certainly not for most people.
You may not have much of a choice if you are trapped in a violent environment. > Perhaps I was just singing an idealistic song, but no… peace-lovers will > always be in the minority.
"There go I but for the grace of god"… As an atheist I see it simply as virtually anyone is capable of violence given the "right" circumstances. > > > Every goal begins with a thought. > > > I like to imagine that possibility, anyway. > > It gives me greater peace to believe what I believe… > > The world makes much more sense these days… > It’s a realistic view. > Mine is not far different from yours. I, also, believe that there is no hope > for this corrupt world. But I believe in another, future world. A peaceful one.
I am looking forward to my well deserved rest after a long and stressful day… I am not being literal here… ;o) > ER, I almost quoted scripture
I put one in for you (above)… I admire your restraint. I am not that restrained… ;o) "Life? Don’t talk to me about life…" [Marvin the melancholy robot from the HHGTTG] ER…
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