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Hey Victor, I’ve just read Choe’s post to you and I’d like to underline each single word she said. You might have so many reasons to feel miserable and superfluous in this world – but there are even more reasons against this feeling. Chloe told you. You have your purpose here, try and get connected with the world around you step by step. Feel the soil beneath your feet, try to take a good swim in a place where you can enjoy the wet element, try to take a bike ride or do some running to feel the wind in your hair. This is the beginning. And it can only be made when you link up with nature. Other good things will follow. Take care no end, ((( Victor ))), okay? Sumi
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Ah, now there is one very good suggection! Connectign with nature!! Great one, Sumi! I can not say the good this little poor rabbit we have at work that somehow landed in our few sqaure feet of grass before the building makes my day. The government had some eagles (or is it falcons?) raised, i.e. eggs grabbed from nests to save them as somethign made them all squish before the mom could nest over them, too frail the sheels always were), and after they had a few (three) they let them free asking people to let them know if ever they saw them. It ended up that two built a nest on the top of the hotel right next door to the building where I work. They now had babies, and everyoen is watching with binoculars over their every moment….While this poor baby rabbit of nothing (now about 2 months old maybe?) is trying to eat grass, just under heir nose… Everyoen si amazed he made ti that long…No one ahd thought about the danger due to the birds of prey havign such a view of him, direct and so close…Just down below…I started making poeple aware of the danger and what near zero canhce that rabbit had to make it… I brought it carrots yesterday:)… And poeple seem to more and more look for him and see if he is still around, though I dunno if anyoen woudl mov to save it if danger came… Just let them birds ty when I am around!! Yesterday in my break, baby rabbit ventured out fo the tree branches protection, nwo that he is less scared of poeple, i.e. walks a foot away from them but zips out of sight like lightening the second poeple make a move towards him (we all woudl liek to grab him and bring him to safety land somehwere else!)…Well, as I happened to eb there yesterday, I jumped the little fence by the trees and walked behind him and scared the rabbit just as one of them birds let go of a shout, spottign it… Eat this, government thing!;-) Also saved a little caterpiallr, so it made my day:) Got home, patted pets, all five birds and two dogs and oen cat and turtle, then went to "hunt" for them all, bringing back he meat, all packaged, from the grocery store, tahnks to borrowed money.;-) Then grabbed my old cat and a seringe… To drain the blowing up ear she has…:( And as I heard the needle crunch (sic: I can HEAR it:() the ear nerves and all as it gets in, seing hwo much she trusts me even with such pain to help her out, how loving she was even in THAT awful treatment, stayign still and nice and all, as I remoived seringe after seringe of liquids out of there, pulled tears from my eyes…. I have a new plant…Dunno what it is called, but I liked it and grabbed the tip of it to try and make it root. They have those in baskets here and there at work, or similar ones not quite the same…That one fascinates me, so…Grabbed a leaf to try… My tree is doign wll. Turns out it is not an apple tree which is good as it then will not risk being cut out for being a fruit tree, which they do not tolerate here. However, it seems to be soemthing too biug for my tiny 10 ft yard… Yikes! It grew huge in a few weeks, the trunk no being a good 4 inches, and brabches too big for me to prune them for the main ones…and even the secondary ones gettign quite big. Baobab is a name fittign perfectly for it. The neighborhood kids and the neighbor’s kid mainly when walkign there broke every single branch on the fence side. It leans then due to the weight of its branch towards the house, and the branches almost reach the patio door… There is only brancges at the low bottom, too low, where the kid coudl not break and dammage. Little Audrey that was so nice -was actually GIFTED- with pets and nature nwo grew into one of those young gilrs that remind me of the complaints that some men have here on asl about little witches…. Unpleasant person, taking all the bad her mom has and all the abd her dad has: nasty with people like her mom, possessive and jalous and mean tongued, and nature hating and destroyign liek her dad, thinkign it superior to kill what lives and pour asphalt or concrete over it all. Well, time to hit the shower, get dressed, refeed the zoo inhabitants, and leave for work. NOTE: I forwarded the unreplied to emails so far to my work addie where if time allows I will try and reply to some. However, not sure if it allows new addresses in or oif they ahve to be keyed in where by me for incoming replies at work to be accepted. Will inquire (they changed the email system a while back again). Take care Sumi and Vic. And Vic, do as Sumi says:) Whatcha got to lose..?:) Be well, Chloe "sumire" (sumire_kawab…@nospam.yahoo.co.uk) writes: > Hey
Victor, > I’ve just read Choe’s post to you and I’d like to – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> underline each single word she said. > You might have so many reasons to feel miserable and superfluous in this > world – but there are even more reasons against this feeling. Chloe told > you. > You have your purpose here, try and get connected with > the world around you step by step. > Feel the soil beneath your feet, try to take a good swim > in a place where you can enjoy the wet element, try to > take a bike ride or do some running to feel the wind in your hair. This is > the beginning. And it can only be made when you link up with nature. Other > good things will follow. > Take care no end, ((( Victor ))), okay? > Sumi
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"sumire" <sumire_kawab…@nospam.yahoo.co.uk> wrote in news:b0070191b71379cbf853da70f73d9cfd@localhost.talkaboutsupport.com: > Feel the soil beneath your feet, try to take a good swim > in a place where you can enjoy the wet element,
…get eaten by a crocodile… I’m kidding of course. What’s the range of crocs in Australia? Seems like they wouldn’t be in the South, much. — "You tried to scan me you freaked-out maniac!" TV’s Frank.
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Ahyes, forgot there might be dangerous places over there. Hmmm, in case he’s swimming in the sea there might be sharks, eeeek. Of course I meant Vic should swim in SAFE waters 
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Hopes’n'hugs helped Sumi X
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"Victor" (little_guybrush AT yahoo.com.au) writes: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Eleonore Beaudoin wrote: >> "Victor" (little_guybrush AT yahoo.com.au) writes: >> > ske wrote: >> >> Victor wrote: >> >> > sumire wrote: >> >> > > Hmmm, Eerie’s bored, Victor’s mad and Sumi’s sad. >> >> > > What bunch of people are we in here, aslers? >> >> > I’m both mad and sad. >> >> > Today I was wondering what the point of me living is? >> >> I have wondered about that on occasion but I think it is more >> >> pertinent to ask: "what is the point of me dying?" >> > ———————————————- >> > To end the suffering. >> > ———————————————- >> It usually is the start of intense suffering for others around….. >> And is not ending any suffering then at all… > —————————————————————- > What if there is noone else. > Everybody wins then. > —————————————————————-
But for that to be, the entire planet would have to blow up and every lifeform on it too! We all affect each other, and all compose each other’s life… But not just that….It is always the oens that are most sensitive and sensible that have a painful time with the world as it is and that check out before their time. Now think a moment: if the other sensitive and sensible oens had not done so, we woudl not be alone nort lonely right now!!! I am NOT kidding: the most creative minds, the peole with the highest Ideals and so on check out way too often, leaving the world be more ad more insensible and insensitive, less and less creative, more and more just checkign out of everything, by death or by seclusion or …loneliness. If everyoen woudl opt for checking out, you;ld see instantly the impact… The fact they check out one here and oen there doe snot diminish that impact…Over time, it is the same deprovign the world of the best souls… For this world to get "better", some had to exile themself to some land they guessed MIGHT exist: think Columbus and such…One might say that the world did not get that better for it. I agree to a point: liei is not always a piece of cake. BUT. Maybe it would be quite a nice slice though had not so many checked out in the past centuries and even *decade(s)*. Imagine thousands of sensitive, high value persons living with us now… Imagine what difference the world woudl be? By checkign out early, one contributes to amki9ng the world the sad place it will be for the next one that will have to face hardships and depression and not finding room to live their ideals and dreams and so on…Cause someoen left before you that maybe woudl ahve made it so much different for you, a someone somwhee we dunno and never will know now, maybe you now are down yourself! When a single drop of water falls into a clam sea, the wave is fet by turtle eggs on the far far away shore, a hundred feet from the nearest water puddle…. When a human being checks out before his time…Can you imagien the rip in the Time "tissue"??? Can you…? Even if all woudl say today "I woudl not! I never did!", it would remain that they say so out of the fact the Toime and Space were altered by one, two, thousands of premature departures… We think watchign Star Treks of what woudl happen if oen went back in time and killed themself a few years before the time they left…We see sometimes in movies all that is affected by it….. Yet..why don’t people think fo the exact same effect when they off themself? Or do thy and do they want to have some impact at any cost..? Take this: the words you wrote made it so that now I rite this. In itself nothing. Sure. But as I write this I am not outdoors driving, where I am not the forsdt car on the green light that will turn left in front of that other that 25 miles later will get in his home laneway for the night…Nothign happened? Nope!L:). But make it 25 years later….And see alllll the consequences of JUST THAT! And that is only ONE green light. Not all the billions of things that one does affect in a whole full lifetime! How many green lightys do we hit? How about the oens we do not get or when we are not driving? THAT too counts! When someone offs themself, they off the entire planet on some level greater than they ever seem to realize…. Heck, soemoen dies at war, and amogn the thousands that did was maybe soemone carryignt he antibody agaoinst aids that woudl ahve made ti so that humanity woudl ahve been immuned either by its discovery, or by generations mutliplying through that one making it be gone anyway in a few hundred years! Sometimes we have oen word and soemoen else thinks soemthign new and speaks another word that after 3,000 modificatiosn inspires a wroiter that changes philosiophies and entire ways of living! Sometimes, sure, we just sneeze and gove everyone else a bad flu LOL:) But blame that oen on the guy or gal that offed themself a few milleniae ago;-), that carried all immunization against ALL flus! Maybe we all are where we are cause of some guy or gal that ofed themself a minute ago…..Or billions fo them that did since the begining of time… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> Suffering does not "end" in life. If ours would, some others would >> still suffer…Suffering is transcended or walked through, endured, >> toughed out, emerged from, but even with those who make it, it will >> not be a suffering-free life. >> We still will lose loved ones, and we still will have hardships here >> and there along the way. Some of us have them at the begining of >> life, others at the end, some in the middle, some a mix of begining >> middle and end, but all ahve good times and moments somehwere along >> life’s path, no matter what path theirs is. >> When one is depressed, down, they are more senstive to the hardships., >> being already more vulnerable…And that makes us then focus on the >> nasty side, as we try and hope for a moment of peace from the hard >> times or the dark ones, and just hope "this next one will not happen >> to us now". We then are not seing the nicer sides, and after a while >> of not seing them so easily anymore, we got into this tunnel where >> all seems forever dark. Would someone light a match, we;d only >> measure how much of the tunnel is not lit up, rather than use the >> part we can see to make a move and find the door and stairs up and >> out of the dark place… >> W then have to shaske it and watch our own thoughts, be it that they >> woudl be there at the occasion of oyther people;s words or actions or >> even shared thoughts, and seize them as they coss our mind, and keep >> them in check long enough to start seing the light as well as the >> rest. That can mean having the impression of lying to ourself a >> while, by turnign the thoughts that are heavy and do not bring any >> joy nor energy, into some that are the complete opposite -or seem so >> in the dark- and repeat them in place of the thought affectign us >> into more darkness. >> Try and tell soemoen that si down to repeat aftert you "Life in >> wonderful". Instead, they will immediately start saying things like >> "Why woudl I say such a *stupid thing*? Life is a spread if sh*t! Are >> you blind to not see the horrors of the world? I donlt want to become >> insensitive like you" etc, etc. Tons fo thoughts arrive and submerge >> them again, like a boomerang that never left for long…Would they >> say the words "life is wonderful!" they woudl say it like "Life is f >> wonderful, wowie yay and wippe. There.:(". And yet as negative as the >> words woudl be, they will have to repress a smile…..maybe a half >> smile, sure, but it already is half winning over the darkness. >> I am not sayign that oen shoudsl start speaking rose water empty >> inanities. But that soemtiems, what we say and became addicted to, >> used to sayign and thinking, is not quire constructive to us (nor >> others, in the end), and in that is not very brilliant. >> Everyone would like a magic wand to turn things around. >> But if they woudl be sent one, they woudl have to let go of the knife >> on the wrists to grab it. I.e. they would have to let go of one way >> to try the other…. >> Contrary to mnay other creatures, we are given words and reflection, >> i.e. not just the ability to think, that any creature can do, me >> thinks. Hungry, they think of hunting, etc. But we can reflect, i.e. >> *think of how we think and why* and all that, and we can opt to >> change our very mind and control our own thoughts. Not that of >> others, our own! And that DOES work, that does create a new inner >> space, and that does shine out quite fast after we really put our >> mind at it, and make it become an attitude that is workign, >> constructive. Nect thing we know, we see the light that sines over >> the tunnel and find it beautiful…Cintrasts. BOTH good and bad, and >> have the ability to see conquering obstacles and finding hope in just >> the image of the sun shining on some dark tunnel that stays >> dark….Unless it not only lets the light in, but welcomes it, >> decides to make efforts to fcus on it, and to speak the words of >> light until it dawns on it… >> Cheer up, Victor. >> A very very few here might know of what family I have. Of how and why >> I was casted out, which was indeed for good actions of mine, How >> humpfing it has been for me at times… >> It still is. Suffering does not end, it might stop a whil, take a >> break, etc. But when oen really ants to try and think posoitive, the >> suffering becomes like that image of a tunnel on which shines a full >> noon sun… It makes eveythign have a nicer perspective… >> Be well, Victor, and take care. >> Chloe > —————————————————————- > thanks > —————————————————————-
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Eleonore Beaudoin wrote: > "Victor" (little_guybrush AT yahoo.com.au) writes: > > ske wrote: > >> Victor wrote: > >> > sumire wrote: > >> > > Hmmm, Eerie’s bored, Victor’s mad and Sumi’s sad. > >> > > What bunch of people are we in here, aslers? > >> > I’m both mad and sad. > >> > Today I was wondering what the point of me living is? > >> I have wondered about that on occasion but I think it is more > >> pertinent to ask: "what is the point of me dying?" > > ———————————————- > > To end the suffering. > > ———————————————- > It usually is the start of intense suffering for others around….. > And is not ending any suffering then at all…
—————————————————————- What if there is noone else. Everybody wins then. —————————————————————- – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Suffering does not "end" in life. If ours would, some others would > still suffer…Suffering is transcended or walked through, endured, > toughed out, emerged from, but even with those who make it, it will > not be a suffering-free life. > We still will lose loved ones, and we still will have hardships here > and there along the way. Some of us have them at the begining of > life, others at the end, some in the middle, some a mix of begining > middle and end, but all ahve good times and moments somehwere along > life’s path, no matter what path theirs is. > When one is depressed, down, they are more senstive to the hardships., > being already more vulnerable…And that makes us then focus on the > nasty side, as we try and hope for a moment of peace from the hard > times or the dark ones, and just hope "this next one will not happen > to us now". We then are not seing the nicer sides, and after a while > of not seing them so easily anymore, we got into this tunnel where > all seems forever dark. Would someone light a match, we;d only > measure how much of the tunnel is not lit up, rather than use the > part we can see to make a move and find the door and stairs up and > out of the dark place… > W then have to shaske it and watch our own thoughts, be it that they > woudl be there at the occasion of oyther people;s words or actions or > even shared thoughts, and seize them as they coss our mind, and keep > them in check long enough to start seing the light as well as the > rest. That can mean having the impression of lying to ourself a > while, by turnign the thoughts that are heavy and do not bring any > joy nor energy, into some that are the complete opposite -or seem so > in the dark- and repeat them in place of the thought affectign us > into more darkness. > Try and tell soemoen that si down to repeat aftert you "Life in > wonderful". Instead, they will immediately start saying things like > "Why woudl I say such a *stupid thing*? Life is a spread if sh*t! Are > you blind to not see the horrors of the world? I donlt want to become > insensitive like you" etc, etc. Tons fo thoughts arrive and submerge > them again, like a boomerang that never left for long…Would they > say the words "life is wonderful!" they woudl say it like "Life is f > wonderful, wowie yay and wippe. There.:(". And yet as negative as the > words woudl be, they will have to repress a smile…..maybe a half > smile, sure, but it already is half winning over the darkness. > I am not sayign that oen shoudsl start speaking rose water empty > inanities. But that soemtiems, what we say and became addicted to, > used to sayign and thinking, is not quire constructive to us (nor > others, in the end), and in that is not very brilliant. > Everyone would like a magic wand to turn things around. > But if they woudl be sent one, they woudl have to let go of the knife > on the wrists to grab it. I.e. they would have to let go of one way > to try the other…. > Contrary to mnay other creatures, we are given words and reflection, > i.e. not just the ability to think, that any creature can do, me > thinks. Hungry, they think of hunting, etc. But we can reflect, i.e. > *think of how we think and why* and all that, and we can opt to > change our very mind and control our own thoughts. Not that of > others, our own! And that DOES work, that does create a new inner > space, and that does shine out quite fast after we really put our > mind at it, and make it become an attitude that is workign, > constructive. Nect thing we know, we see the light that sines over > the tunnel and find it beautiful…Cintrasts. BOTH good and bad, and > have the ability to see conquering obstacles and finding hope in just > the image of the sun shining on some dark tunnel that stays > dark….Unless it not only lets the light in, but welcomes it, > decides to make efforts to fcus on it, and to speak the words of > light until it dawns on it… > Cheer up, Victor. > A very very few here might know of what family I have. Of how and why > I was casted out, which was indeed for good actions of mine, How > humpfing it has been for me at times… > It still is. Suffering does not end, it might stop a whil, take a > break, etc. But when oen really ants to try and think posoitive, the > suffering becomes like that image of a tunnel on which shines a full > noon sun… It makes eveythign have a nicer perspective… > Be well, Victor, and take care. > Chloe
—————————————————————- thanks —————————————————————- – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >> Nobody has any idea of their true potential until it is realised. > >> Giving up before you have given yourself a chance seems rather daft > >> to me. It is quite possible we may achieve amazing and wonderful > >> things in just a few days/months/years/decades, that is assuming of > >> course we stick around to do so. > >> On the flip-side, if we have not achieved anything in > aforementioned >> time frame there is absolutely nothing stopping us > from reconsidering >> the meaning of life then. In the mean time, > live in the present and >> never stop trying to improve yourself. > >> > I don’t like life at all, my life is not going to get much > better by >> > the looks of things, so what’s the point of going on? > >> > A family that couldn’t care less about me, no friends, no > >> > relationships, no job, knowledge that noone has ever loved me or > >> > ever will, NOTHING! > >> > Of course I think about these thing alot, and the next day I’m > >> > usually still alive so I guess it doesn’t really matter. > >> > Actually, come to think of it, the next day I’m always still > alive. >> > >> As you have discovered, life goes on, you may as well live it.
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"Victor" (little_guybrush AT yahoo.com.au) writes: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> ske wrote: >> Victor wrote: >> > sumire wrote: >> > > Hmmm, Eerie’s bored, Victor’s mad and Sumi’s sad. >> > > What bunch of people are we in here, aslers? >> > I’m both mad and sad. >> > Today I was wondering what the point of me living is? >> I have wondered about that on occasion but I think it is more >> pertinent to ask: "what is the point of me dying?" > ———————————————- > To end the suffering. > ———————————————-
It usually is the start of intense suffering for others around….. And is not ending any suffering then at all… Suffering does not "end" in life. If ours would, some others would still suffer…Suffering is transcended or walked through, endured, toughed out, emerged from, but even with those who make it, it will not be a suffering-free life. We still will lose loved ones, and we still will have hardships here and there along the way. Some of us have them at the begining of life, others at the end, some in the middle, some a mix of begining middle and end, but all ahve good times and moments somehwere along life’s path, no matter what path theirs is. When one is depressed, down, they are more senstive to the hardships., being already more vulnerable…And that makes us then focus on the nasty side, as we try and hope for a moment of peace from the hard times or the dark ones, and just hope "this next one will not happen to us now". We then are not seing the nicer sides, and after a while of not seing them so easily anymore, we got into this tunnel where all seems forever dark. Would someone light a match, we;d only measure how much of the tunnel is not lit up, rather than use the part we can see to make a move and find the door and stairs up and out of the dark place… W then have to shaske it and watch our own thoughts, be it that they woudl be there at the occasion of oyther people;s words or actions or even shared thoughts, and seize them as they coss our mind, and keep them in check long enough to start seing the light as well as the rest. That can mean having the impression of lying to ourself a while, by turnign the thoughts that are heavy and do not bring any joy nor energy, into some that are the complete opposite -or seem so in the dark- and repeat them in place of the thought affectign us into more darkness. Try and tell soemoen that si down to repeat aftert you "Life in wonderful". Instead, they will immediately start saying things like "Why woudl I say such a *stupid thing*? Life is a spread if sh*t! Are you blind to not see the horrors of the world? I donlt want to become insensitive like you" etc, etc. Tons fo thoughts arrive and submerge them again, like a boomerang that never left for long…Would they say the words "life is wonderful!" they woudl say it like "Life is f wonderful, wowie yay and wippe. There.:(". And yet as negative as the words woudl be, they will have to repress a smile…..maybe a half smile, sure, but it already is half winning over the darkness. I am not sayign that oen shoudsl start speaking rose water empty inanities. But that soemtiems, what we say and became addicted to, used to sayign and thinking, is not quire constructive to us (nor others, in the end), and in that is not very brilliant. Everyone would like a magic wand to turn things around. But if they woudl be sent one, they woudl have to let go of the knife on the wrists to grab it. I.e. they would have to let go of one way to try the other…. Contrary to mnay other creatures, we are given words and reflection, i.e. not just the ability to think, that any creature can do, me thinks. Hungry, they think of hunting, etc. But we can reflect, i.e. *think of how we think and why* and all that, and we can opt to change our very mind and control our own thoughts. Not that of others, our own! And that DOES work, that does create a new inner space, and that does shine out quite fast after we really put our mind at it, and make it become an attitude that is workign, constructive. Nect thing we know, we see the light that sines over the tunnel and find it beautiful…Cintrasts. BOTH good and bad, and have the ability to see conquering obstacles and finding hope in just the image of the sun shining on some dark tunnel that stays dark….Unless it not only lets the light in, but welcomes it, decides to make efforts to fcus on it, and to speak the words of light until it dawns on it… Cheer up, Victor. A very very few here might know of what family I have. Of how and why I was casted out, which was indeed for good actions of mine, How humpfing it has been for me at times… It still is. Suffering does not end, it might stop a whil, take a break, etc. But when oen really ants to try and think posoitive, the suffering becomes like that image of a tunnel on which shines a full noon sun… It makes eveythign have a nicer perspective… Be well, Victor, and take care. Chloe – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> Nobody has any idea of their true potential until it is realised. >> Giving up before you have given yourself a chance seems rather daft >> to me. It is quite possible we may achieve amazing and wonderful >> things in just a few days/months/years/decades, that is assuming of >> course we stick around to do so. >> On the flip-side, if we have not achieved anything in aforementioned >> time frame there is absolutely nothing stopping us from reconsidering >> the meaning of life then. In the mean time, live in the present and >> never stop trying to improve yourself. >> > I don’t like life at all, my life is not going to get much better by >> > the looks of things, so what’s the point of going on? >> > A family that couldn’t care less about me, no friends, no >> > relationships, no job, knowledge that noone has ever loved me or >> > ever will, NOTHING! >> > Of course I think about these thing alot, and the next day I’m >> > usually still alive so I guess it doesn’t really matter. >> > Actually, come to think of it, the next day I’m always still alive. >> As you have discovered, life goes on, you may as well live it.
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It’s unspeakable. I don’t want to write about it. Maybe some time later. It’s gettin better though. Maybe just based on a misunderstanding. Thx you asked, anyway. Sumi
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"Victor" <little_guybrush AT yahoo.com.au> wrote in news:40e92b47$0$24762$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au: > Eerieness of the Short-Distance Rodent wrote: >> cuz I’m bored. > I’m so friggin’ bored I could go on a murder spree (I know that makes > no sense). > I’m quite mad.
Makes sense to me. And I’m totally sane. — "You tried to scan me you freaked-out maniac!" TV’s Frank.
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On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 17:17:20 +0000, the world was enlightented by Victor, unto whom the words are attributed: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> sumire wrote: >> Hmmm, Eerie’s bored, Victor’s mad and Sumi’s sad. >> What bunch of people are we in here, aslers? > I’m both mad and sad. > Today I was wondering what the point of me living is? > I don’t like life at all, my life is not going to get much better by > the looks of things, so what’s the point of going on? > A family that couldn’t care less about me, no friends, no > relationships, no job, knowledge that noone has ever loved me or ever > will, NOTHING! > Of course I think about these thing alot, and the next day I’m usually > still alive so I guess it doesn’t really matter. > Actually, come to think of it, the next day I’m always still alive.
When I used to camp out at night sometimes, as a kid, my mum would say, don’t come running to me if you wake up dead… Monster — I am the sexiest man in the UuuuKaaaayy All the girls love me And I will never grow Ooollldd I am the sexiest man in the UuuKaaaay! http://www.the-monstruum.co.uk
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Little Monster (r…@localhost.localdomain) writes: > On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 17:17:20 +0000, the world was enlightented by Victor, > unto whom the words are attributed: >> sumire wrote: >>> Hmmm, Eerie’s bored, Victor’s mad and Sumi’s sad. >>> What bunch of people are we in here, aslers? >> I’m both mad and sad. >> Today I was wondering what the point of me living is? >> I don’t like life at all, my life is not going to get much better by >> the looks of things, so what’s the point of going on? >> A family that couldn’t care less about me, no friends, no >> relationships, no job, knowledge that noone has ever loved me or ever >> will, NOTHING! >> Of course I think about these thing alot, and the next day I’m usually >> still alive so I guess it doesn’t really matter. >> Actually, come to think of it, the next day I’m always still alive. > When I used to camp out at night sometimes, as a kid, my mum would say, > don’t come running to me if you wake up dead…
My son surely remembers that when he arrived so late compared to any of his usual times, and I;d be beyond worrying sick, he;d get this line: -You mean…You’re not dead???? I am a gonna kill you myself for making me worry so much!!!!:)" C Monster > — > I am the sexiest man in the UuuuKaaaayy > All the girls love me > And I will never grow Ooollldd > I am the sexiest man in the UuuKaaaay! > http://www.the-monstruum.co.uk
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sumire wrote: > It’s unspeakable. I don’t want to write about it. > Maybe some time later. It’s gettin better though. > Maybe just based on a misunderstanding. > Thx you asked, anyway. > Sumi
Thinking of you Sumi, hope you get un-sad very soon. *big hug* — .ske
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Victor wrote: > sumire wrote: >>Hmmm, Eerie’s bored, Victor’s mad and Sumi’s sad. >>What bunch of people are we in here, aslers? > I’m both mad and sad. > Today I was wondering what the point of me living is?
I have wondered about that on occasion but I think it is more pertinent to ask: "what is the point of me dying?" Nobody has any idea of their true potential until it is realised. Giving up before you have given yourself a chance seems rather daft to me. It is quite possible we may achieve amazing and wonderful things in just a few days/months/years/decades, that is assuming of course we stick around to do so. On the flip-side, if we have not achieved anything in aforementioned time frame there is absolutely nothing stopping us from reconsidering the meaning of life then. In the mean time, live in the present and never stop trying to improve yourself. > I don’t like life at all, my life is not going to get much better by > the looks of things, so what’s the point of going on? > A family that couldn’t care less about me, no friends, no > relationships, no job, knowledge that noone has ever loved me or ever > will, NOTHING! > Of course I think about these thing alot, and the next day I’m usually > still alive so I guess it doesn’t really matter. > Actually, come to think of it, the next day I’m always still alive.
As you have discovered, life goes on, you may as well live it. — .ske
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -ske wrote: > Victor wrote: > > sumire wrote: > > > Hmmm, Eerie’s bored, Victor’s mad and Sumi’s sad. > > > What bunch of people are we in here, aslers? > > I’m both mad and sad. > > Today I was wondering what the point of me living is? > I have wondered about that on occasion but I think it is more > pertinent to ask: "what is the point of me dying?"
———————————————- To end the suffering. ———————————————- – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Nobody has any idea of their true potential until it is realised. > Giving up before you have given yourself a chance seems rather daft > to me. It is quite possible we may achieve amazing and wonderful > things in just a few days/months/years/decades, that is assuming of > course we stick around to do so. > On the flip-side, if we have not achieved anything in aforementioned > time frame there is absolutely nothing stopping us from reconsidering > the meaning of life then. In the mean time, live in the present and > never stop trying to improve yourself. > > I don’t like life at all, my life is not going to get much better by > > the looks of things, so what’s the point of going on? > > A family that couldn’t care less about me, no friends, no > > relationships, no job, knowledge that noone has ever loved me or > > ever will, NOTHING! > > Of course I think about these thing alot, and the next day I’m > > usually still alive so I guess it doesn’t really matter. > > Actually, come to think of it, the next day I’m always still alive. > As you have discovered, life goes on, you may as well live it.
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cuz I’m bored. — "You tried to scan me you freaked-out maniac!" TV’s Frank.
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Eerieness of the Short-Distance Rodent wrote: > cuz I’m bored.
I’m so friggin’ bored I could go on a murder spree (I know that makes no sense). I’m quite mad.
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Hmmm, Eerie’s bored, Victor’s mad and Sumi’s sad. What bunch of people are we in here, aslers?
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sumire’s post: > Hmmm, Eerie’s bored, Victor’s mad and Sumi’s sad. > What bunch of people are we in here, aslers?
Why are you sad?
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sumire wrote: > Hmmm, Eerie’s bored, Victor’s mad and Sumi’s sad. > What bunch of people are we in here, aslers?
I’m both mad and sad. Today I was wondering what the point of me living is? I don’t like life at all, my life is not going to get much better by the looks of things, so what’s the point of going on? A family that couldn’t care less about me, no friends, no relationships, no job, knowledge that noone has ever loved me or ever will, NOTHING! Of course I think about these thing alot, and the next day I’m usually still alive so I guess it doesn’t really matter. Actually, come to think of it, the next day I’m always still alive.
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Hi everyone, The Mood Disorders Society of Canada is thrilled to be launching a real-time virtual educational forum on the MDSC website that will allow people to ask questions and discuss their concerns with experts in the field. In the spirit of self-help we aren’t just looking at experts being people who have spent years studying at university but also the kind of expertise that comes from personal experience. Our first experts look at the issue of [b]isolation and loneliness [/b]from very different perspectives. Bob Kull spent a year alone on a remote and desolate island off the coast of South America to study the emotional, psychological, physical and spiritual effects of isolation on the human soul. Patti Kuchinsky has studies the same issues through living with depression. This experience has informed her work as a nurse and educator. Together they are exploring how isolation, loneliness and depression intertwine and how to learn to use solitude to enrich our lives and help us navigate through the complex demands of our modern world. http://www.mooddisorderscanada.ca/ To learn more about the Solitude Project visit www.bobkull.org Join us in discussion on Thursday April 22 2004 at 4:00 p.m. in British Columbia / 5:00 p.m. in Alberta / 6:00 p.m. in Manitoba / 7:00 p.m. in Ontario / 8:00 p.m. Nova Scotia and 8:30 p.m. in Newfoundland. Just log on to the MDSC website http://www.mooddisorderscanada.ca/ and join the discussion. We will also post an archived copy of the discussion on the website for those who can’t join us. Can you please spread the word to others about this forum!
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I got this from a friend. Pam New Drugs Designed for Women D A M N I T O L Take 2 and the rest of the world can go to hell for up to 8 full hours. ST. M O M M A’S W O R T Plant extract that treats mom’s depression by rendering pre-schoolers unconscious for up to two days. E M P T Y N E S T R O G E N Pill that eliminates melancholy and loneliness by reminding you of how awful they were as teenagers and how you couldn’t wait till they moved out F L I P I T O R Increases life expectancy of commuters by controlling road rage and the urge to flip off other drivers. B U Y A G R A Injectable stimulant taken prior to shopping. Increases potency, duration, and credit limit of spending spree. J A C K A S S P I R I N Relieves headache caused by a man who can’t remember your birthday, anniversary or phone number. A N T I-T A L K S I D E N T A spray carried in a.net purse or wallet to be used on anyone too eager to share their life stories with total strangers in elevators. N A A M E T When administered to a husband, provides the same irritation level as nagging him all weekend, saving the wife the time and trouble of doing it herself.
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LOL-approved! — lewe lewemi at yahoo dot se | cat pics: photos.yahoo.com/lewemi .net… | I got this from a friend. Pam | | | New Drugs Designed for Women | | | D A M N I T O L | Take 2 and the rest of the world can go to hell for up to 8 full hours. | | | ST. M O M M A’S W O R T | Plant extract that treats mom’s depression by rendering pre-schoolers | unconscious for up to two days. | | | E M P T Y N E S T R O G E N | Pill that eliminates melancholy and loneliness by reminding you of how | awful they were as teenagers and how you couldn’t wait till they moved out | | | F L I P I T O R | Increases life expectancy of commuters by controlling road rage and the | urge to flip off other drivers. | | | B U Y A G R A | Injectable stimulant taken prior to shopping. Increases potency, | duration, and credit limit of spending spree. | | | J A C K A S S P I R I N | Relieves headache caused by a man who can’t remember your birthday, | anniversary or phone number. | | | A N T I-T A L K S I D E N T | A spray carried in a.net purse or wallet to be used on anyone too eager | to share their life stories with total strangers in elevators. | | | | N A A M E T | When administered to a husband, provides the same irritation level as | nagging him all weekend, saving the wife the time and trouble of doing | it herself. |
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Sooo Sad wrote: > as well, If you need writing about island of happy shy spots where youyc an > be free, fly around, jump like rabbits, shout and hurt extroverts…liek > me..lol…that is ok! > SHYNESSSSSSSSSSSSSSs
javier_shymen… put down the Soma. PUT IT DOWN!! STEP AWAY FROM THE MACHINE!!!!!!!!!! — "You never know your strength until you are tested" – David Boreanaz
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"Sooo Sad" <SooosadHASNOM…@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:UBORb.142277$DF4.137549@amsnews02.chello.com… > Hi > stop thinking about yourself os o much. You are just ok, cool, whatever. You > will win this game. Shynes sis just ok sometimes. You need to accept it. If > you need music to do that, ok! If you need meditation to this, that is fine > as well, If you need writing about island of happy shy spots where youyc an > be free, fly around, jump like rabbits, shout and hurt extroverts…liek > me..lol…that is ok! > SHYNESSSSSSSSSSSSSSs
My loneliness and depression was really bad today. Reading this has made me feel so much better though, lol. Thanks for the laugh. — …one and one don’t make two, one and one make one…
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"ImJustOne" <the.color.of.televis…@tuned.to.a.dead.channel.com> wrote in message news:pp3Tb.9888$9a4.4331@nwrddc01.gnilink.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Sooo Sad" <SooosadHASNOM…@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:UBORb.142277$DF4.137549@amsnews02.chello.com… > > Hi > > stop thinking about yourself os o much. You are just ok, cool, whatever. > You > > will win this game. Shynes sis just ok sometimes. You need to accept it. > If > > you need music to do that, ok! If you need meditation to this, that is > fine > > as well, If you need writing about island of happy shy spots where youyc > an > > be free, fly around, jump like rabbits, shout and hurt extroverts…liek > > me..lol…that is ok! > > SHYNESSSSSSSSSSSSSSs > My loneliness and depression was really bad today. Reading this has made me > feel so much better though, lol. Thanks for the laugh.
He is a total nut case but we love him. 
Ed
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"Sooo Sad" <SooosadHASNOM…@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:UBORb.142277$DF4.137549@amsnews02.chello.com… > Hi > stop thinking about yourself os o much. You are just ok, cool, whatever. You > will win this game. Shynes sis just ok sometimes. You need to accept it. If > you need music to do that, ok! If you need meditation to this, that is fine > as well, If you need writing about island of happy shy spots where youyc an > be free, fly around, jump like rabbits, shout and hurt extroverts…liek > me..lol…that is ok! > SHYNESSSSSSSSSSSSSSs
ROTFLAMO!!!! Ed
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"Sooo Sad" <SooosadHASNOM…@hotmail.com> wrote in message <news:UBORb.142277$DF4.137549@amsnews02.chello.com>… > Hi > stop thinking about yourself os o much. You are just ok, cool, whatever. You > will win this game. Shynes sis just ok sometimes. You need to accept it. If > you need music to do that, ok! If you need meditation to this, that is fine > as well, If you need writing about island of happy shy spots where youyc an > be free, fly around, jump like rabbits, shout and hurt extroverts…liek > me..lol…that is ok! > SHYNESSSSSSSSSSSSSSs
YYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSS !!! GGGGGGOOOOOO SSSSSSSSHHHHHHYYYYYYYYYYYYNNNNNNNNNEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS !!!! man whatever you’ve taken must be really good 
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Hi stop thinking about yourself os o much. You are just ok, cool, whatever. You will win this game. Shynes sis just ok sometimes. You need to accept it. If you need music to do that, ok! If you need meditation to this, that is fine as well, If you need writing about island of happy shy spots where youyc an be free, fly around, jump like rabbits, shout and hurt extroverts…liek me..lol…that is ok! SHYNESSSSSSSSSSSSSSs
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i need you like i need the air i need you like i need the sun and nobody knows what is there until it is gone, without you i have nothing i am as good as dead the sound of people laughing hits me like nails to my head, the universe swirls, time and matter, people die and are born passions are smitten and shatter and i continue to yearn i want to breathe you and drink you i want to press you to me i’ve come to the brink. you know what is true, so to be true to what we both know – true to our flesh and blood – let love between us grow and from us reach up to God.
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In article <1d295513.0401011630.422dd…@posting.google.com>, Ilya Shambat says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->i need you like i need the air >i need you like i need the sun >and nobody knows what is there >until it is gone, >without you i have nothing >i am as good as dead >the sound of people laughing >hits me like nails to my head, >the universe swirls, time and matter, >people die and are born >passions are smitten and shatter >and i continue to yearn >i want to breathe you and drink you >i want to press you to me >i’ve come to the brink. you >know what is true, so to be >true to what we both know – >true to our flesh and blood – >let love between us grow >and from us reach up to God.
Good poem Ilya. Baybee ps did you write it?
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"Ilya Shambat" <ibshambat2…@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1d295513.0401011630.422dd889@posting.google.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> i need you like i need the air > i need you like i need the sun > and nobody knows what is there > until it is gone, > without you i have nothing > i am as good as dead > the sound of people laughing > hits me like nails to my head, > the universe swirls, time and matter, > people die and are born > passions are smitten and shatter > and i continue to yearn > i want to breathe you and drink you > i want to press you to me > i’ve come to the brink. you > know what is true, so to be > true to what we both know – > true to our flesh and blood – > let love between us grow > and from us reach up to God.
*****yeah, I miss Buffy, too. good thing it’s in syndication, eh? Renay
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In article <R34Jb.254168$_M.1164156@attbi_s54>, Renay St. James says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->"Ilya Shambat" <ibshambat2…@hotmail.com> wrote in message >news:1d295513.0401011630.422dd889@posting.google.com… >> i need you like i need the air >> i need you like i need the sun >> and nobody knows what is there >> until it is gone, >> without you i have nothing >> i am as good as dead >> the sound of people laughing >> hits me like nails to my head, >> the universe swirls, time and matter, >> people die and are born >> passions are smitten and shatter >> and i continue to yearn >> i want to breathe you and drink you >> i want to press you to me >> i’ve come to the brink. you >> know what is true, so to be >> true to what we both know – >> true to our flesh and blood – >> let love between us grow >> and from us reach up to God. >*****yeah, I miss Buffy, too. good thing it’s in syndication, eh? >Renay
ya know, i’ve never watched Buffy once. but my brother’s GF is totally into the show, and i once asked her, "hey, what’s the attraction to Bully The Vampire Slayer?" and she says: "oh, come ON, every week Buffy kicks the shit out of, and pounds a stake into the heart of, some jerk GUY! What’s not to love?" the answer made perfectly logical sense to me. love and kisses, j r sherman —————————————————————— "A sad tale’s best for winter: I have one Of sprites and goblins." ——————————————————————
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Being tired of lurking, on Thu, 01 Jan 2004 18:21:08 -0800, j r sherman posted: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> In article <R34Jb.254168$_M.1164156@attbi_s54>, Renay St. James says… >>"Ilya Shambat" <ibshambat2…@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>news:1d295513.0401011630.422dd889@posting.google.com… >>> i need you like i need the air >>> i need you like i need the sun >>> and nobody knows what is there >>> until it is gone, >>> without you i have nothing >>> i am as good as dead >>> the sound of people laughing >>> hits me like nails to my head, >>> the universe swirls, time and matter, people die and are born >>> passions are smitten and shatter >>> and i continue to yearn >>> i want to breathe you and drink you >>> i want to press you to me >>> i’ve come to the brink. you >>> know what is true, so to be >>> true to what we both know – >>> true to our flesh and blood – >>> let love between us grow >>> and from us reach up to God. >>*****yeah, I miss Buffy, too. good thing it’s in syndication, eh? >>Renay > ya know, i’ve never watched Buffy once. but my brother’s GF is totally > into the show, and i once asked her, "hey, what’s the attraction to Bully > The Vampire Slayer?" > and she says: > "oh, come ON, every week Buffy kicks the shit out of, and pounds a stake > into the heart of, some jerk GUY! What’s not to love?" > the answer made perfectly logical sense to me.
I guess the Usenet version must be "Fluffy, the net.kook sprayer"? > love and kisses, > j r sherman > —————————————————————— "A sad > tale’s best for winter: I have one Of sprites and goblins." > ——————————————————————
– mhm 27×12 smeeter #28 Usenet Valhalla Circle #19 & #21 CEO Alcatroll Labs Inc.
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GoddessBaybee <goddessbay…@yahoo.com> wrote in message <news:bt2f1g018o3@drn.newsguy.com>…> > Good poem Ilya. > Baybee > ps did you write it?
Of course.
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and your bank account?…… ^/
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Lonely God <sul…@theTHREADkiller.hgea.org> wrote in news:3fe2e5dd$0$40210$39cecf19@news.twtelecom.net: > "When boys speak about ‘being themselves,’ many describe a double life > in which they are one person in public – a cool guy who plays fast and > lives by the rules of the Boy Code – and somebody completely different > in his private life, often a much more creative, gentle, caring sort of > guy."
Oh, yeah, that’s me boyo, all fucking cool on the outside & shit.
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This was my hometown newspaper, circa 2002. Rescuing Our Boys: The "Silent Crisis" Although many of our society’s young boys and teens may appear tough, cheerful and confident, a troubling number of them are facing a life of loneliness and confusion, says Dr. William S. Pollack, one of the nation’s leading authorities on growing up in America. Pollack, author of "Real Boys" and "Real Boys Voices," describes this conflict as a silent crisis. Based on his research at Harvard Medical School, Pollack challenges many of the conventional expectations about manhood and masculinity that encourage parents to treat boys as little men. "Many parents are raising their boys through a toughening process that drives their true emotions underground," explains Pollack. "But only when we understand what boys are really like," he says, "can parents and teachers help boys develop more self-confidence and the emotional savvy they need to deal with issues such as depression and violence, drugs and alcohol, sexuality and love." In his travels across the country, Pollack spoke to boys of all socio-economic backgrounds and races to find out about the pressures, pleasures, expectations and attitudes of growing up male in America. He found boys hungry for connection, longing to be themselves, and yearning for change. "Many boys are filled with fear, confusion and anxiety about coming of age," says Pollack. "But unlike girls, boys feel intense pressure to keep their emotions bottled up inside, to be in control and to be strong. The pressure they feel to be popular, to succeed at sports and to excel in school is leading to loneliness and shame, as well as more serious concerns like depression and suicide." Pollack says that he’s discovered a glaring truth: America’s boys are absolutely desperate to talk about their lives. "When boys speak about ‘being themselves,’ many describe a double life in which they are one person in public – a cool guy who plays fast and lives by the rules of the Boy Code – and somebody completely different in his private life, often a much more creative, gentle, caring sort of guy." —– Pollack Profile Dr. William Pollack is Founder and Director of the REAL BOYS Educational Programs; Director, Center for Men and Young Men; and Assistant Clinical Profess (Psychology) in the Department of Psychiatry at Harvard Medical School. He is an expert in the areas of boys’ education/development and men’s roles (including substance abuse, violence, suicide and depression), school safety (including bullying prevention), and parenting (mothering/fathering). "Real Boys – Rescuing Our Sons from the Myths of Boyhood," is training to provide teachers, counselors, health professionals, parents, coaches, ministers and others who are working with youth in direct service settings with skills in guiding boys of all ages through the special challenges they face. Utilizing his Real Boys workbook, Dr. Pollack will offer practical advice on how to talk with boys about such issues as rage and violence, and he will share strategies for early intervention to prevent problems in the future. His website is: http://www.williampollack.com Real Boys: Rescuing Our Sons from the Myths of Boyhood (US $11) www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0805061835 Actual quote from the book, page 150: "Unlike girls, whose sexual maturity is clearly marked by the onset of menstruation, boys have no clear idea when they’re actually physically capable of having sex. The onset of puberty for boys is slower, the physical changes more subtle. His voice changes. He begins to develop pubic hair. His muscles and torso increase in size. But there is no change in boys’ bodies that directly lets them know they’re capabel of sex and reproduction. Indeed, the only real way for boys to know they can have sex is to have it. This increases the pressure to have sex as proof of maturity and amplifies the anxiety surround that first act." — Daughters Need Dad’s Affection Fathers have a strong impact on their daughters’ confidence and self-image. When dads give their daughters the attention and affection they need, girls see themselves as worthy of being loved, and they know what to expect from a potential husband. They are much less likely to accept a relationship with someone who will mistreat them.
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There are some women that will make you come
Ain’t that da truth:)
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True. But if they’ve been married and divorced several times, that might say something. This could apply to men too. You might have something there. I’ve been married and divorced twice now. I may have to face the fact that I am unable to be a good husband.
I don’t think that is true, and I also think it is a cop out. To me, it would just mean that you haven’t examined why things have failed and taken your share of responsibility. Sure, you can always *choose* to not be a good spouse, or not be a spouse at all, but that is a choice. Rambler
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I don’t think that is true, and I also think it is a cop out. To me, it would just mean that you haven’t examined why things have failed and taken your share of responsibility.
I would respectfully disagree. I haven’t done anything but examine why things failed for the last year. I also believe I am responsible for my share. I think one can choose to be the best spouse they can be, and ins some cases still not be good enough. Best Regards, Steve MacLellan
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I don’t think that is true, and I also think it is a cop out. To me, it would just mean that you haven’t examined why things have failed and taken your share of responsibility. I would respectfully disagree. I haven’t done anything but examine why things failed for the last year. I also believe I am responsible for my share. I think one can choose to be the best spouse they can be, and ins some cases still not be good enough.
Is it really "good enough"? Or is it that some are "meant" to be married, and some aren’t? Not necessarily good or bad, just different.
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I think one can choose to be the best spouse they can be, and ins some cases still not be good enough.
Good enough for who(m?)?
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I think one can choose to be the best spouse they can be, and ins some cases still not be good enough. Good enough for who(m?)?
I think one can choose to be the best spouse they can be and in some cases still not be good enough or well suited to be someone’s partner. Best Regards, Steve MacLellan
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I think one can choose to be the best spouse they can be, and ins some cases still not be good enough. Is it really "good enough"? Or is it that some are "meant" to be married, and some aren’t? Not necessarily good or bad, just different.
You’re right. Some of us just may not be suited for marriage. As I suggested further up the thread: I don’t think that would stop a fairly close relationship, where both parties maintain their own places and are not dependent on each other for anything, except for the mutual desire to spend some time together. Best Regards, Steve MacLellan
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I think one can choose to be the best spouse they can be, and ins some cases still not be good enough. Good enough for who(m?)? I think one can choose to be the best spouse they can be and in some cases still not be good enough or well suited to be someone’s partner.
Ever thought it might be someone’s partner who wasn’t choosing to be the best spouse they could be? It does take two working together to make a marriage work. Lori Mc
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I think one can choose to be the best spouse they can be, and ins some cases still not be good enough. Is it really "good enough"? Or is it that some are "meant" to be married, and some aren’t? Not necessarily good or bad, just different. You’re right. Some of us just may not be suited for marriage. As I suggested further up the thread: I don’t think that would stop a fairly close relationship, where both parties maintain their own places and are not dependent on each other for anything, except for the mutual desire to spend some time together.
You may be right on that one. I have yet to see it. I know it exists – somewhere.
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says… Why is it people (in my case, women) have to play head games? I asked this gal out she said she would like to. But, has been putting it off. I notice she wasn’t at the office the past 2 days, asked someone where she was. They told me Michigan to visit a guy she met on the net. I mean really if they are not interested just say so. Don’t lead a person on. Going through this divorce is bad enough. And to beat all she is going through a divorce also trying to finalize it.
Listen, you are her 2nd choice, that’s why she said yes. She just wanted a backup plan. The loneliness is a killer. Just want some companionship, dinner, what ever some somebody to talk to and have a good time. I am ready to move on. What is anyone’s opinion on personals on Yahoo and other sites. I am in engineering and work, workout at a gym and that is about it. How else do you meet people anymore? I am in my mid 40’s. I am descent, respectful and know how to treat a lady. Do they want this any more? Some people say no you can treat women to nice and they will walk all over you. That happened in my marriage.
Try eharmony.com. The ads say they are great and they take a scientific approach to matching people up. You can’t be nice to women, then they won’t respect you. After I stopped being a nice guy I got a lot more dates. Really.
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It depends largely on the caliber of women that you meet. At your age, as they say, most of the good ones are taken, and for good reason! After all they are the good ones! The ones that are floating around are either divorced (often for good reason too) Perhaps, but just because a person is divorced that doesn’t make them bad, does it? Generelly speaking for every divorced femaile there is probably a divorced male somewhere – some of them still have to have good qualities.
True. But if they’ve been married and divorced several times, that might say something. Which reminds me, do our insurance rates go up if we say we are divorced, instead of single?
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Which reminds me, do our insurance rates go up if we say we are divorced, instead of single
Same difference, if you aren’t marrried (it has been my experience) you payer higher rates. Lori Mc
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True. But if they’ve been married and divorced several times, that might say something.
This could apply to men too. You might have something there. I’ve been married and divorced twice now. I may have to face the fact that I am unable to be a good husband. I don’t think that would stop a fairly close relationship, where both parties maintain their own places and are not dependent on each other for anything, except for the mutual desire to spend some time together. Best Regards, Steve MacLellan
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My advice to you: Be careful. There are some women that will make you come to appreciate loneliness. If I were you I would start developing a life first (pursue new interests, etc…). Put yourself first and develop a relationship from a position of strength rather than one of need. Look for someone that will add something to your life not subtract from it. Net gain… otherwise the loneliness may be the least of your problems. — No Snarling Bitches Antifeminist Extremist Art Work http://nosnarlingbitches.home.comcast.net
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Why is it people (in my case, women) have to play head games? I asked this gal out she said she would like to. But, has been putting it off. I notice she wasn’t at the office the past 2 days, asked someone where she was. They told me Michigan to visit a guy she met on the net. I mean really if they are not interested just say so. Don’t lead a person on. Going through this divorce is bad enough. And to beat all she is going through a divorce also trying to finalize it. The loneliness is a killer. Just want some companionship, dinner, what ever some somebody to talk to and have a good time. I am ready to move on. What is anyone’s opinion on personals on Yahoo and other sites. I am in engineering and work, workout at a gym and that is about it. How else do you meet people anymore? I am in my mid 40’s. I am descent, respectful and know how to treat a lady. Do they want this any more? Some people say no you can treat women to nice and they will walk all over you. That happened in my marriage. Just tired of being alone.
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A lot of good advice here. — No Snarling Bitches Antifeminist Extremist Art Work http://nosnarlingbitches.home.comcast.net – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Jeffo, Did you get the email I sent out to you a couple of weeks ago??? Right now, you are giving off desperate, needy vibes. These are a major turnoff and can be sensed instinctively by both men and women (someday, you’ll run into a depserate woman and know what I mean). Read my email!!! then go out and get a book called "The Evolution of a Warrior." It’s not the greatest piece of literature, but it has some good stuff to help you build your new life. Then, go to the library, and take out a book called "The Rules." It is meant for desperate women, but a lot of the advice is good for men, too. there are some other good relationship books out there as well. Check out your library. Don’t be a doormat when it comes to women. Be a bit of a challenge. Don’t be too nice, too early, or you’ll scare them off (desperate vibes). Don’t go fantasizing about your future life with them on the first date. Remeber that you should go out with someone you actually like and not to try and get every woman to like you. YOU have to be choosy, too!!! The deck is stacked against us, my friend, so we have to be on top of our game, and develop as thick of an emotional shield as we can. We will be rejected more often then we are accepted, and that can be hard to take. Even I am not always able to practice what I preach, but you will soon find that your recovery to rejection is faster each time. Try and forgive yourself, too, for mistakes. I know that I’m not very good at that either, but it is important. You are a rookie–you *will* make errors out there. Just remember that you are in the arena with the lions, and they rarely play nice, so toughen up! Realize that it is a battle, and you are going to suffer some casualties, but don’t let those losses relflect on you or get to your soul. It’s hard, I know, but you will learn soon enough. You may want to talk to the doc about some antidepressants–they really can help boost confidence. I know that it is tough to go "once more into the breach" time and time again, only to get slaughtered most of the time, but you must perservere. Also remember, that strategic retreat is not failure–take some time off from this pinful game called dating to recouperate and learn from your experiences. and, most importantly, READ MY EMAIL!!!!! Thanks, Mike — To reply via email remove the X’s from my email address: Why is it people (in my case, women) have to play head games? I asked this gal out she said she would like to. But, has been putting it off. I notice she wasn’t at the office the past 2 days, asked someone where she was. They told me Michigan to visit a guy she met on the net. I mean really if they are not interested just say so. Don’t lead a person on. Going through this divorce is bad enough. And to beat all she is going through a divorce also trying to finalize it. The loneliness is a killer. Just want some companionship, dinner, what ever some somebody to talk to and have a good time. I am ready to move on. What is anyone’s opinion on personals on Yahoo and other sites. I am in engineering and work, workout at a gym and that is about it. How else do you meet people anymore? I am in my mid 40’s. I am descent, respectful and know how to treat a lady. Do they want this any more? Some people say no you can treat women to nice and they will walk all over you. That happened in my marriage. Just tired of being alone.
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Why is it people (in my case, women) have to play head games? I asked this gal out she said she would like to. But, has been putting it off. I notice she wasn’t at the office the past 2 days, asked someone where she was. They told me Michigan to visit a guy she met on the net. I mean really if they are not interested just say so. Don’t lead a person on. Going through this divorce is bad enough. And to beat all she is going through a divorce also trying to finalize it. The loneliness is a killer. Just want some companionship, dinner, what ever some somebody to talk to and have a good time. I am ready to move on. What is anyone’s opinion on personals on Yahoo and other sites. I am in engineering and work, workout at a gym and that is about it. How else do you meet people anymore? I am in my mid 40’s. I am descent, respectful and know how to treat a lady. Do they want this any more? Some people say no you can treat women to nice and they will walk all over you. That happened in my marriage. Just tired of being alone.
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It depends largely on the caliber of women that you meet. At your age, as they say, most of the good ones are taken, and for good reason! After all they are the good ones! The ones that are floating around are either divorced (often for good reason too)
Perhaps, but just because a person is divorced that doesn’t make them bad, does it? Generelly speaking for every divorced femaile there is probably a divorced male somewhere – some of them still have to have good qualities. Grace . When God sends the dawn, He sends it for all. – Cervantes Say what is easily forgotten. Do what is easily overlooked. Think what is everlasting. Hugh Prather
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Thanks all. Yes, Mike I got your e-mail on the 2 sites. I replied to you maybe it did not get back to you. This is a good group to get support from. believe it or not this is going to be my second divorce. I guess I didn’t do better the second time around. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Jeffo, Did you get the email I sent out to you a couple of weeks ago??? Right now, you are giving off desperate, needy vibes. These are a major turnoff and can be sensed instinctively by both men and women (someday, you’ll run into a depserate woman and know what I mean). Read my email!!! then go out and get a book called "The Evolution of a Warrior." It’s not the greatest piece of literature, but it has some good stuff to help you build your new life. Then, go to the library, and take out a book called "The Rules." It is meant for desperate women, but a lot of the advice is good for men, too. there are some other good relationship books out there as well. Check out your library. Don’t be a doormat when it comes to women. Be a bit of a challenge. Don’t be too nice, too early, or you’ll scare them off (desperate vibes). Don’t go fantasizing about your future life with them on the first date. Remeber that you should go out with someone you actually like and not to try and get every woman to like you. YOU have to be choosy, too!!! The deck is stacked against us, my friend, so we have to be on top of our game, and develop as thick of an emotional shield as we can. We will be rejected more often then we are accepted, and that can be hard to take. Even I am not always able to practice what I preach, but you will soon find that your recovery to rejection is faster each time. Try and forgive yourself, too, for mistakes. I know that I’m not very good at that either, but it is important. You are a rookie–you *will* make errors out there. Just remember that you are in the arena with the lions, and they rarely play nice, so toughen up! Realize that it is a battle, and you are going to suffer some casualties, but don’t let those losses relflect on you or get to your soul. It’s hard, I know, but you will learn soon enough. You may want to talk to the doc about some antidepressants–they really can help boost confidence. I know that it is tough to go "once more into the breach" time and time again, only to get slaughtered most of the time, but you must perservere. Also remember, that strategic retreat is not failure–take some time off from this pinful game called dating to recouperate and learn from your experiences. and, most importantly, READ MY EMAIL!!!!! Thanks, Mike — To reply via email remove the X’s from my email address: Why is it people (in my case, women) have to play head games? I asked this gal out she said she would like to. But, has been putting it off. I notice she wasn’t at the office the past 2 days, asked someone where she was. They told me Michigan to visit a guy she met on the net. I mean really if they are not interested just say so. Don’t lead a person on. Going through this divorce is bad enough. And to beat all she is going through a divorce also trying to finalize it. The loneliness is a killer. Just want some companionship, dinner, what ever some somebody to talk to and have a good time. I am ready to move on. What is anyone’s opinion on personals on Yahoo and other sites. I am in engineering and work, workout at a gym and that is about it. How else do you meet people anymore? I am in my mid 40’s. I am descent, respectful and know how to treat a lady. Do they want this any more? Some people say no you can treat women to nice and they will walk all over you. That happened in my marriage. Just tired of being alone.
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2) Have you ever heard the term "Nice guys finish last"? Think about it.
Yes I always make sure that the lady "finishes" first! Think about it! — Last night I played a blank tape at full blast. The mime next door went nuts.
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Why is it people (in my case, women) have to play head games?
Because they can. Really. Generates a sense of moral superiority.
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Why is it people (in my case, women) have to play head games? I asked this
When there is a conflict and the playing field isn’t level, you use what you do best. I by far wasn’t the biggest guy in school. I imagine some people would complain that I don’t fight fair.
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Jeffo, Did you get the email I sent out to you a couple of weeks ago??? Right now, you are giving off desperate, needy vibes. These are a major turnoff and can be sensed instinctively by both men and women (someday, you’ll run into a depserate woman and know what I mean). Read my email!!! then go out and get a book called "The Evolution of a Warrior." It’s not the greatest piece of literature, but it has some good stuff to help you build your new life. Then, go to the library, and take out a book called "The Rules." It is meant for desperate women, but a lot of the advice is good for men, too. there are some other good relationship books out there as well. Check out your library. Don’t be a doormat when it comes to women. Be a bit of a challenge. Don’t be too nice, too early, or you’ll scare them off (desperate vibes). Don’t go fantasizing about your future life with them on the first date. Remeber that you should go out with someone you actually like and not to try and get every woman to like you. YOU have to be choosy, too!!! The deck is stacked against us, my friend, so we have to be on top of our game, and develop as thick of an emotional shield as we can. We will be rejected more often then we are accepted, and that can be hard to take. Even I am not always able to practice what I preach, but you will soon find that your recovery to rejection is faster each time. Try and forgive yourself, too, for mistakes. I know that I’m not very good at that either, but it is important. You are a rookie–you *will* make errors out there. Just remember that you are in the arena with the lions, and they rarely play nice, so toughen up! Realize that it is a battle, and you are going to suffer some casualties, but don’t let those losses relflect on you or get to your soul. It’s hard, I know, but you will learn soon enough. You may want to talk to the doc about some antidepressants–they really can help boost confidence. I know that it is tough to go "once more into the breach" time and time again, only to get slaughtered most of the time, but you must perservere. Also remember, that strategic retreat is not failure–take some time off from this pinful game called dating to recouperate and learn from your experiences. and, most importantly, READ MY EMAIL!!!!! Thanks, Mike — To reply via email remove the X’s from my email address:
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Why is it people (in my case, women) have to play head games? I asked this gal out she said she would like to. But, has been putting it off. I notice she wasn’t at the office the past 2 days, asked someone where she was. They told me Michigan to visit a guy she met on the net. I mean really if they are not interested just say so. Don’t lead a person on. Going through this divorce is bad enough. And to beat all she is going through a divorce also trying to finalize it. The loneliness is a killer. Just want some companionship, dinner, what ever some somebody to talk to and have a good time. I am ready to move on. What is anyone’s opinion on personals on Yahoo and other sites. I am in engineering and work, workout at a gym and that is about it. How else do you meet people anymore? I am in my mid 40’s. I am descent, respectful and know how to treat a lady. Do they want this any more? Some people say no you can treat women to nice and they will walk all over you. That happened in my marriage. Just tired of being alone.
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Good question. Unfortunately it has no really good answer. People suck. I don’t play head games but I think I’m in the minority. Are you sure your ready to move on if your divorce isn’t even finalized yet??? Hang in there. The loneliness will get less and less intense as the days go by. Peace Karen
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Why is it people (in my case, women) have to play head games? I asked this gal out she said she would like to. But, has been putting it off. I notice she wasn’t at the office the past 2 days, asked someone where she was. They told me Michigan to visit a guy she met on the net. I mean really if they are not interested just say so. Don’t lead a person on. Going through this divorce is bad enough. And to beat all she is going through a divorce also trying to finalize it.
Either two things: 1) she was just trying to be nice or doesn’t know how to say no (a lot of women either do not know how to say no* or, in general, do not tend to say what they want or mean. Weird I know, especially since these same women often try to claim some sort of superior position in the art of communicating!) or 2) you’re her #2 in case #1, the Michigan guy, doesn’t work out. In any event she (and you) don’t sound like either of you are on any stable ground to date anyway. Forget her if she’s not interested. If she is interested she’ll come around. If she doesn’t well then you don’t need the grief if you ask me… * Which lead me to a quote that I made up based on many enounters with women being "polite" and putting off a date when it really was that they were not interested. The quote is: "It occurs to me that if women really want men to know that no means no then it is encumbent on them to, once in a while, SAY IT!". The loneliness is a killer. Just want some companionship, dinner, what ever some somebody to talk to and have a good time.
Have you tried same sex friends? If not, why not? I am ready to move on.
WRT the lady you mentioned, yes, move on. If she’s not interested in you then it’s her loss. What is anyone’s opinion on personals on Yahoo and other sites.
I had a friend who firmly believed that all personal sites should have an entrance way with a sign: "Abandon hope all ye that enter". I didn’t think so at the time. I do now. I am in engineering and work, workout at a gym and that is about it.
Ask yourself this question: What would make somebody interested in you? So you work out and do engineering. Therefore you are looking for a woman who’s either into engineering (good luck!) or working out (also good luck!). Tell me, what do you do for fun? What are your hobbies and passions? Persue them. Meet other people who have similar interests. Hang out with them. Hang out with other guys who have interests like you do (why is it after we get past our 20’s or so that when we think of going out to have fun it is usually the thought of going out on a date with a member of the opposite sex and we give up going out with our same sex friends). Make yourself busy on yourself doing things you like to do and that makes you feel good. Do not worry about finding a love. Right now it doesn’t seem like even you like yourself, how can you expect others to be interested. Another aside, as another 40 something, recently divorced (or in the process), also into engineering but doesn’t work out, perhaps we could get together! I could use somebody as a work out buddy, especially somebody who knows what they are doing, to kick me into going to the gym and getting rid of this excess fat that seems to come with divorce and depression. Actually exercise is good not only to drop wait but to get energy and to combat depression, never mind gets you out of the house and gives you something to do. If interested email me… In the process you will feel good about yourself and not need anybody else. When you get to that place you’ll have a chance at finding somebody else that wants to share there life with you and that you want to share your life with them, because you both will be complete whole people, rather than dating losers to pour your sorrows to and to listen to their sorrows, saying that you’re not looking for a relationship or a one night stand, but wishing that that would happen. How else do you meet people anymore? I am in my mid 40’s. I am descent, respectful and know how to treat a lady. Do they want this any more? Some people say no you can treat women to nice and they will walk all over you. That happened in my marriage.
It depends largely on the caliber of women that you meet. At your age, as they say, most of the good ones are taken, and for good reason! After all they are the good ones! The ones that are floating around are either divorced (often for good reason too) or never been married (also for good reason). IOW they are often (but not always) single because they are not a good one (or else they would be married). Rarely is one person a saint and the other a sinner when a marriage fails. It takes two to tango and it takes two to mess up a relationship. So our selection is bad to start with. As I said, work on yourself. Make yourself a better, more interesting, fun person. Do not concern yourself with "mating" either sexually, physically or emotionally. There is so much to do as a single person that can be fun and freeing. Free yourself and explore yourself. If and when you become a person who is interesting, fun, confident, etc you’ll probably feel that you have little or no need to "mate", sexually, physically or emotionally* – hell you’re fun even to yourself. However people do like being with other people, other special people. So while your out having fun, doing what you do best, look for others who are doing the same, others of the opposite sex with the same "single and loving it" attitude and approach them. * Actually I’ve found in my life that it is either when you are scraping the bottom in the throws of depression and loneliness or at the top of your game that humans tend to have a need to be intimately involved with another human being. When at the bottom the need is to "save" you from your depression, loneliness and need – IOW for all the wrong reasons. When you’re at the top of your game you also exprience a need to share all of your good fortune with another – IOW for all the right reasons. Just tired of being alone.
So am I. If only I could implement what I espouse (hmmm… interesting word there…), however I’m just not ready to go down that path yet, soon, but not just right now. Perhaps you’re in a similar situation. Fine. Just remember the goal and the path to get there. Implement it when you can. — Sped up my XT; ran it on 220v! Works greO?_~"
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1) Do yourself a hugh favor, DONT date anyone from work! If things dont work out both your personal and professional life will be screwed up. 2) Have you ever heard the term "Nice guys finish last"? Think about it. Luck Tug
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"Jonathan" <lhj8…@hanafos.com> wrote in message
news:bnv58i$r7j$1@news1.kornet.net… > a south korean > 41 year-old male, single > he worked for three telecommunication > companies for 14 years. > he studied computer engineering and > he has good memory belonging to > top 1%. > he is studying the bible and koran and > korean religions. > he is an example of MP4.
My name is Judy from UK I have reached the age where it no longer matters how old I am. married with children. I held a variety of jobs during which my mind, esteem and confidence were imperceptibly trashed. As a child I loved to read stories about mythology from an old set of books we had. I think I would have done well in my education had I not been traumatised at school. I don’t know where I’ve been, I’m not sure where I’m going, but I think I might have an inkling of where I am. I also study the Bible. I don’t want to read it in Korean or Hebrew. it’s complicated enough as it is. I’ll take your word on the Korean interpretation (and check it on Worldlingo if that is possible) I’m guessing that I am at least MP3 but one may have hidden talents :-) Pleased to meet you Jonathan. Judy
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Fred is 54 years old, with many medical problems, including depression, bipolar, and sz. Fred worked in electronics for many years. Fred got computer science degree in 2 years under a "senate scholars program". Fred went mental 11 years ago. Employer offered disability because Fred was crazy. Now on disability. Living alone in loneliness. But still living. Wish I had friends or wife. "Jonathan" <lhj8…@hanafos.com> wrote in message
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Fred! are you looking for a pen pal? then write to me! lhj8…@hanafos.com "Fred" <spamf…@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:tD_ob.5476$ns.1368@bignews4.bellsouth.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Fred is 54 years old, with many medical problems, including depression, > bipolar, and sz. > Fred worked in electronics for many years. > Fred got computer science degree in 2 years under a "senate scholars > program". > Fred went mental 11 years ago. > Employer offered disability because Fred was crazy. > Now on disability. Living alone in loneliness. But still living. > Wish I had friends or wife. > "Jonathan" <lhj8…@hanafos.com> wrote in message > news:bnv58i$r7j$1@news1.kornet.net… > > a south korean > > 41 year-old male, single > > he worked for three telecommunication > > companies for 14 years. > > he studied computer engineering and > > he has good memory belonging to > > top 1%. > > he is studying the bible and koran and > > korean religions. > > he is an example of MP4.
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"Jonathan" <lhj8…@hanafos.com> wrote in message
news:bnv58i$r7j$1@news1.kornet.net… > a south korean > 41 year-old male, single > he worked for three telecommunication > companies for 14 years. > he studied computer engineering and > he has good memory belonging to > top 1%. > he is studying the bible and koran and > korean religions. > he is an example of MP4.
My name is Judy from England I have reached the age where it no longer matters how old I am. married with children. I held a variety of jobs during which my mind, esteem and confidence were imperceptibly trashed. As a child I loved to read stories about mythology from an old set of books we had. I think I would have done well in my education had I not been traumatised at school. I don’t know where I’ve been, I’m not sure where I’m going, but I think I might have an inkling of where I am. I also study the Bible. I don’t want to read it in Korean or Hebrew. it’s complicated enough as it is. I’ll take your word on the Korean interpretation (and check it on Worldlingo if that is possible) At a guess I would say at least MP3 but one may have hidden talents :-) Pleased to meet you Jonathan. Judy
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a south korean 41 year-old male, single he worked for three telecommunication companies for 14 years. he studied computer engineering and he has good memory belonging to top 1%. he is studying the bible and koran and korean religions. he is an example of MP4.
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"Jonathan" <lhj8…@hanafos.com> wrote in message
news:bnv58i$r7j$1@news1.kornet.net… > a south korean > 41 year-old male, single > he worked for three telecommunication > companies for 14 years. > he studied computer engineering and > he has good memory belonging to > top 1%. > he is studying the bible and koran and > korean religions. > he is an example of MP4.
My name is Judy from England I have reached the age where it no longer matters how old I am. married with children. I held a variety of jobs during which my mind, esteem and confidence were imperceptibly trashed. As a child I loved to read stories about mythology from an old set of books we had. I think I would have done well in my education had I not been traumatised at school. I don’t know where I’ve been, I’m not sure where I’m going, but I think I might have an inkling of where I am. I also study the Bible. My starting point these days is that I know God’s love exists and I look for that. I don’t want to read it in Korean or Hebrew. it’s complicated enough as it is. I’ll take your word on the Korean interpretation (and check it on Worldlingo if that is possible) I’m not sure about my MP rating. At the very least I guess I am MP3 but one may have hidden talents, I understand. You have worked extraordinarily well to realise MP4 level Pleased to meet you Jonathan. Judy
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"Psymaster" <nosmapple…@somewhere.com> wrote in message
news:Xns941EF2C41F087t45fs6vve@130.133.1.4… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "DaKitty" <Imgo…@dotcomsomething.net> wrote on Fri, 24 Oct > 2003 19:38:54 GMT in alt.support.loneliness: > >> I know that all(?) men like beautiful women most, but I > >> have this problem. I like only "perfectly" beautiful > >> women. I’ve never had a girlfriend, because all the times > >> that I had the chance the girls weren’t as beautiful as I > >> would want them. When I look at a girl I look for defects > >> in her beauty. If I find too many of those I am sure that > >> I could never be with her in a relationship because of > >> that. Is this a fetish? Do all people have this or only > >> some? > > Only some, usually those with pretty low emotional > > maturity. > Okay. > > Bwaaahahahaha, that’s equal to no standards. and Ewwww! > > No self respecting girl would go out with a guy that would > > go see a hooker. Talk about a major disguisting flaw. > > You may as well have stuck your dick in a sewer. I > > certainly wouldn’t touch it with a 10 foot pole. > >> If I want a relationship, I’ll do it with a girl I > >> like. But the problem is that my estimated "girls I > >> consider beautiful" to "girls I have no interest in" is > >> about 1 to 50. > > Your problem is that you are afraid of real life, and have > > come up with a little fairytale that is very unrealistic, > > as a way to not have to live in real world which is scary > > to you. And which you have no idea how to handle. It’s not > > a fetish, it’s just a maladapted coping mechanisam. > > Probably should see a shrink about that, tmaybe he can reel > > you back to earth. > Okay. > >> If you take into account that I’m not incredibly good at > >> dating, that I’m not ultra good-looking, and I look for > >> some other stuff besides that, I believe that the girls > >> that I might get the chance to date and actually mean > >> something to me are 1 out of 1000 or something. > > With the attitude you have, I think your chances are more > > like 1:100,000,000 Hell, may as well add another 20 zeros > > behind that number. > >> Is this normal, do a lot of people have it or is it just > >> me? > > It’s not normal. It’s maladaptive. > > You actually don’t have much to offer to someone that is > > anywhere near perfection. Emotionally or physically. > Well thanks for the support. In case you don’t know where you > are you can check the newsgroups: header.
I have no idea what you mean by that statement. I know where I am, and I know how to read headers. > If you really are so pissed off because you are a female and you > have a problem with what I feel, I can only say that you are > much more shallow than I am.
I’m not pissed off at all. I’m just giving you feedback about how you’re coming across, telling it like it is. And I do happen to know about psychology and human behavior just a tad more than you. It does seem like you have trouble figuring out how you come across to ther people (that may be part of your problem with dating too). I bet that’s why you came up with such an impossible concept of what you like, that precludes you from actually having a relationship. You don’t know how to relate to people, and have some distortions of your own, so you often communicate those distortions to other people, not realizing that they are distortions, and how people may react to them. then you see people reacting negatively to you. A safe way from having your feelings hurt in those situations is to have this ideal that will preclude you from actually meeting someone, but yet you keep affirming to yourself that you do want someone. You think I’m pissed off, because you’re not ready to hear what I’m talking about, afterall, it is extreemely unpleasant to look at one’s self, recognize the flaw, accept one-self in spite of the flaws, and then begin to work on correcting the flaws that we want to correct. It takes most people a lifetime to do that, and many people never muster up the courage to do it. Your rationalization that I must be pissed off is just another defense mechanisam, where you’re protectioing yourself from the unpleasant experience of looking at your own flaws… because, foirst, I bet you think having a flaw is some horrible thing that makes you a bad person… "well, it must be, you probably think, because people react to you negatively because of those flaws." Having a flaw is not a bad thing, but hiding from your own flaws, in a way you do, it can be very destructive to your well being. Your denial is pretty elaborate, which tells me that you’re not totally stupid. Tells me a lot about wnat intelectual level you’re capable of. Now, if you would only find a good shrink, and redirect those efforts towards something a lot more constructive, you’d be making a lot of progress, and relatively fast, perhaps above average. And, the good news is, your distortions aren’t all that unique. It’s a pretty classic case, so, it won’t be that hard to get help. As for tyhinking I’m pissed off… another thing you need to work on, I think I alrewady mentioned that, is learning to understand other people. Some of it will come as you begin to understand yourself. I know you don’t think so, but the information I have gioven you here is very supportive. Most shrinks would charge you about 150 bucks for this, and as you saw, most people in the nesgroup aren’t in the mood to be bothered with someone this far out of whack. People who take care of themselves tend to stay away from things that may affect them negatively. Just like your post here did with a number of people. That’s why they called you a troll, it’s a disbelief that someone can be seriously that much out of whack, and some did get their feelings bruised a bit, and lashed back out at you, or tried to discredit you. You know, kind of like you tried doing to me when I said stuff that didn’t sit well woth you. You said things that didn’t sit well with them. It’s actually a pretty basic emotional response. And, out of curiosity, what would you have considered "supportive?"
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On 24 Oct 2003 07:47:24 GMT, Psymaster <nosmapple…@somewhere.com> wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I mean, I know there are people who like ears, feet etc. and >we usually call those fetishists or something like that. >I know that all(?) men like beautiful women most, but I have >this problem. I like only "perfectly" beautiful women. I’ve >never had a girlfriend, because all the times that I had the >chance the girls weren’t as beautiful as I would want them. >When I look at a girl I look for defects in her beauty. If I >find too many of those I am sure that I could never be with >her in a relationship because of that. Is this a fetish? Do >all people have this or only some? >I was with a friend the other day and he pointed to a girl, >which (of course) I didn’t like. So I told him that he has to >raise his standards. He replied that if he was to raise his >standards he will never get any (sex). I thought about it and >I realised that I don’t care. If I want sex I’ll just go to a >hooker. If I want a relationship, I’ll do it with a girl I >like. But the problem is that my estimated "girls I consider >beautiful" to "girls I have no interest in" is about 1 to 50. >If you take into account that I’m not incredibly good at >dating, that I’m not ultra good-looking, and I look for some >other stuff besides that, I believe that the girls that I >might get the chance to date and actually mean something to me >are 1 out of 1000 or something. >Is this normal, do a lot of people have it or is it just me?
consider whether it might just be an excuse to not get involved with someone else. It can’t be your fault if she is not good enough for you, can it? — – Charles – -does not play well with others
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> I know that all(?) men like beautiful women most, but I have > this problem. I like only "perfectly" beautiful women. I’ve
I like flaws. I don’t consider it a fetish. I don’t consider what you have one either.
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Psymaster <nosmapple…@somewhere.com> spake thusly: > Very funny. Attacking a strawman, that’s what you are doing. > Where did I say that I judge people on their looks alone? I > certainly didn’t. You made it up. > Now, don’t tell me that you don’t care about what your partner > looks like.
Aha, so you *are* a troll just like Tara said. Dude, the strawman flame is like from the 1983 flamers handbook. You need to get with the times and get some new material. — A good summary of my beliefs: http://www.upci.org/doctrine
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"Psymaster" <nosmapple…@somewhere.com> wrote in message
news:Xns941EF14F45F4At45fs6vve@130.133.1.4… > CyberDroog <CyberDr…@starfleet.gov> wrote on Fri, 24 Oct > 2003 16:52:49 GMT in alt.support.loneliness: > > Certainly your standards are self-defeating. Saying you > > want a physically perfect woman for a relationship, but > > will accept any old hooker for sex seems bass-ackwards. > If you re-read my initial post, you will see that I put perfect > in " ". Maybe people didn’t understand me very well. I said I > would only date "perfectly" beautiful women. By perfect I mean > by my standards, which in the end means that I wouldn’t date any
The only thing we know about your standards, according to your post is that they include the word "Perfect". If you want people to understand what you mean little better, try to be little more specific. You know, you could have said that you are very "specific" with what you like, and that you are unable to deviate from those specifics much. Still, that is also rather immature… although a stepdown from looking for "perfection" > girls that I wouldn’t consider to be very beautiful. That’s all. > Plus I seem to have very high standards in judging beauty. And I > certainly didn’t say that I would accept any hooker.
actually, you did mention a hooker. Again, you spoke as if you would go to see one if you were horny enough, if you want to be understood, pay more attention to what you;re actually saying, instead of hoping that people will "catch your drift". Just remember, most people don’t think like you. It’s your job to make sure people understand your intentions. That takes getting to know and attempting to understand other people. As you do that, you may find more ‘beaty and perfection" in life.
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On 24 Oct 2003 20:42:01 GMT, Psymaster <nosmapple…@somewhere.com> wrote: >CyberDroog <CyberDr…@starfleet.gov> wrote on Fri, 24 Oct >2003 16:52:49 GMT in alt.support.loneliness: >> Certainly your standards are self-defeating. Saying you >> want a physically perfect woman for a relationship, but >> will accept any old hooker for sex seems bass-ackwards. >If you re-read my initial post, you will see that I put perfect >in " ". Maybe people didn’t understand me very well. I said I >would only date "perfectly" beautiful women. By perfect I mean >by my standards, which in the end means that I wouldn’t date any >girls that I wouldn’t consider to be very beautiful. That’s all. >Plus I seem to have very high standards in judging beauty. And I >certainly didn’t say that I would accept any hooker.
Sounds to me that your standards are askew when you hawk hookers. Sheesh… Tracy Barber
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On 24 Oct 2003 20:45:53 GMT, Psymaster <nosmapple…@somewhere.com> wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->"DaKitty" <Imgo…@dotcomsomething.net> wrote on Fri, 24 Oct >2003 19:30:48 GMT in alt.support.loneliness: >> Nod nod. >> Not to mention that judging people on their looks alone is >> incredibly shallow. >> He may as well get himself one of those silicone life like >> dolls, they’re all perfect looks and no personality. It >> should suite his standards. Then one day, when he’s very >> old, he’ll wake up and realize that he wasted his likfe >> loonking ofr something that doesn’t exist (perfection), and >> that he’s missed out on the living. >Very funny. Attacking a strawman, that’s what you are doing. >Where did I say that I judge people on their looks alone? I >certainly didn’t. You made it up. >Now, don’t tell me that you don’t care about what your partner >looks like.
Yes, but I know she’s not on the cover of Cosmo. Neither are yours nor the hookers you substitute with. Tracy Barber
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"Tracy Barber" <Moha…@adirondack-pc.com> wrote in message
news:3f998cc8.21955478@news-server.nycap.rr.com… > On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:30:48 -0700, "DaKitty" > <Imgo…@dotcomsomething.net> wrote: > >Nod nod. > >Not to mention that judging people on their looks alone is incredibly > >shallow. > Hear hear! > >He may as well get himself one of those silicone life like dolls, they’re > >all perfect looks and no personality. It should suite his standards. > Do they have anatomically correct _____ ? :^P
You should have seen the link Wrecking Ball posted the other day… they look extremely realistic. You can even benc their limbs and pose them. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >Then one day, when he’s very old, he’ll wake up and realize that he wasted > >his likfe loonking ofr something that doesn’t exist (perfection), and that > >he’s missed out on the living. > Roxy Music "In Every Dreamhome, A Heartache." He should listen to it. > —:^) > >"Nom dePlume" <nomdeplume1…@yahoo.com> wrote in message > >news:bnalp206jh@enews4.newsguy.com… > >> I’d call that more an obsession than a fetish, but it is definitely a > >> problem. Excessively rigid and unreasonable standards are a good way > >> to remain unhappy. Really, they allow you to exchange one kind of > >> unhappiness (fear of interaction and failure) with another > >> (loneliness). I had thought this kind of attitude was more a female > >> thing than a male thing, but I can see you have it, too. I hope you > >> can let it go and find a great woman. > >> — > >> Nom dePlume, Ph.D > >> Why, yes, in fact, I am a rocket scientist. > >> "Psymaster" <nosmapple…@somewhere.com> wrote in message > >> news:Xns941E6DFB56064t45fs6vve@130.133.1.4… > >> > I mean, I know there are people who like ears, feet etc. and > >> > we usually call those fetishists or something like that. > >> > I know that all(?) men like beautiful women most, but I have > >> > this problem. I like only "perfectly" beautiful women. I’ve > >> > never had a girlfriend, because all the times that I had the > >> > chance the girls weren’t as beautiful as I would want them. > >> > When I look at a girl I look for defects in her beauty. If I > >> > find too many of those I am sure that I could never be with > >> > her in a relationship because of that. Is this a fetish? Do > >> > all people have this or only some? > >> > I was with a friend the other day and he pointed to a girl, > >> > which (of course) I didn’t like. So I told him that he has to > >> > raise his standards. He replied that if he was to raise his > >> > standards he will never get any (sex). I thought about it and > >> > I realised that I don’t care. If I want sex I’ll just go to a > >> > hooker. If I want a relationship, I’ll do it with a girl I > >> > like. But the problem is that my estimated "girls I consider > >> > beautiful" to "girls I have no interest in" is about 1 to 50. > >> > If you take into account that I’m not incredibly good at > >> > dating, that I’m not ultra good-looking, and I look for some > >> > other stuff besides that, I believe that the girls that I > >> > might get the chance to date and actually mean something to me > >> > are 1 out of 1000 or something. > >> > Is this normal, do a lot of people have it or is it just me? > Tracy Barber
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"Psymaster" <nosmapple…@somewhere.com> wrote in message
news:Xns941EEFB911001t45fs6vve@130.133.1.4… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "DaKitty" <Imgo…@dotcomsomething.net> wrote on Fri, 24 Oct > 2003 20:19:48 GMT in alt.support.loneliness: > > Then consider that you are posting without giving out your > > identity, and that several times we had angry trolls > > crossposting in just the two groups that you happen to > > crosspost in, makes a lot of people wionder if you’re not > > one of the frequent troll, who just changed his name to get > > people going. > snip > Well, what can I say… > Thanks for the support guys!
support comes in many ways. Perpetuating your fairytale would not be supportive, it would be desctuctive, in spite of it tmporarily making you feel good. I’m sorry that you’re not ready to hear about and tackle the issues. Your little lashing out is rather indicative of people nailing the issue. As deep as your distortion is, your reaction is actually rather predictable. You have a pretty tough road ahead of you. The sooner you are open to things that sound unpleasant and bothersome, and contemplate them, instead of acting dejected and lashing out, the sooner things will get easier for you. In the meantime,.. well, it will be painful to watch, but you’re the one that has the choice. Just like you had a choice to take the positive in the posts, (there was a lot of it), you choose to snip out and zero in on the negative, and found a good excuse to shut it all out and turn away. It kind of fits the pattern of how you relate to women too. I wonder how many other aspects of your life you handle this way. I know you don’t want to hear any of this right now,… Perhaps in another 7-10 years when you;re ready to do some maturing, you;ll vaguely recall what was said in here. Good luck.
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On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:30:48 -0700, "DaKitty" <Imgo…@dotcomsomething.net> wrote: >Nod nod. >Not to mention that judging people on their looks alone is incredibly >shallow.
Hear hear! >He may as well get himself one of those silicone life like dolls, they’re >all perfect looks and no personality. It should suite his standards.
Do they have anatomically correct _____ ? :^P >Then one day, when he’s very old, he’ll wake up and realize that he wasted >his likfe loonking ofr something that doesn’t exist (perfection), and that >he’s missed out on the living.
Roxy Music "In Every Dreamhome, A Heartache." He should listen to it. —:^) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->"Nom dePlume" <nomdeplume1…@yahoo.com> wrote in message >news:bnalp206jh@enews4.newsguy.com… >> I’d call that more an obsession than a fetish, but it is definitely a >> problem. Excessively rigid and unreasonable standards are a good way >> to remain unhappy. Really, they allow you to exchange one kind of >> unhappiness (fear of interaction and failure) with another >> (loneliness). I had thought this kind of attitude was more a female >> thing than a male thing, but I can see you have it, too. I hope you >> can let it go and find a great woman. >> — >> Nom dePlume, Ph.D >> Why, yes, in fact, I am a rocket scientist. >> "Psymaster" <nosmapple…@somewhere.com> wrote in message >> news:Xns941E6DFB56064t45fs6vve@130.133.1.4… >> > I mean, I know there are people who like ears, feet etc. and >> > we usually call those fetishists or something like that. >> > I know that all(?) men like beautiful women most, but I have >> > this problem. I like only "perfectly" beautiful women. I’ve >> > never had a girlfriend, because all the times that I had the >> > chance the girls weren’t as beautiful as I would want them. >> > When I look at a girl I look for defects in her beauty. If I >> > find too many of those I am sure that I could never be with >> > her in a relationship because of that. Is this a fetish? Do >> > all people have this or only some? >> > I was with a friend the other day and he pointed to a girl, >> > which (of course) I didn’t like. So I told him that he has to >> > raise his standards. He replied that if he was to raise his >> > standards he will never get any (sex). I thought about it and >> > I realised that I don’t care. If I want sex I’ll just go to a >> > hooker. If I want a relationship, I’ll do it with a girl I >> > like. But the problem is that my estimated "girls I consider >> > beautiful" to "girls I have no interest in" is about 1 to 50. >> > If you take into account that I’m not incredibly good at >> > dating, that I’m not ultra good-looking, and I look for some >> > other stuff besides that, I believe that the girls that I >> > might get the chance to date and actually mean something to me >> > are 1 out of 1000 or something. >> > Is this normal, do a lot of people have it or is it just me?
Tracy Barber
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"DaKitty" <Imgo…@dotcomsomething.net> wrote on Fri, 24 Oct 2003 20:19:48 GMT in alt.support.loneliness: > Then consider that you are posting without giving out your > identity, and that several times we had angry trolls > crossposting in just the two groups that you happen to > crosspost in, makes a lot of people wionder if you’re not > one of the frequent troll, who just changed his name to get > people going.
snip Well, what can I say… Thanks for the support guys!
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"Psymaster" <nosmapple…@somewhere.com> wrote in message
news:Xns941EB4610670t45fs6vve@130.133.1.4… > theho…@pooh.corner wrote on Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:42:16 GMT > in alt.support.loneliness: > >><(((*> I know that all(?) men like beautiful women most, > >>but I have <(((*> this problem. I like only "perfectly" > >>beautiful women. > > Looks like a troll to me. > Why? For fuck’s sake, why?
because, posted in a depression newsgroup, where there is a lot of sensitive people (women included), you’ve just made every single woman in the group feel like crap, because none of us think we come even clos to perfect. And usually, it’s only the man trolls, or people that are very far out of whack that post statements like that, in hope they would get a rise out of people in here. So if your initial post really is sincere, stop and consider just how far out of whack (norm) your thinking is. And after you’ve single handedly made all women in here feel bad and demeanned, you wonder why some of them may think not so nice things about you? Or even think you’re trying to get a rise out of them for your entertainment (which would be trolling). Then consider that you are posting without giving out your identity, and that several times we had angry trolls crossposting in just the two groups that you happen to crosspost in, makes a lot of people wionder if you’re not one of the frequent troll, who just changed his name to get people going. And if you’re sincere… If normal thinking on the subject that you brought up is gaged at noon, you’re about at six o’clock. Yes, that far out of whack.
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"Psymaster" <nosmapple…@somewhere.com> wrote in message
news:Xns941E6DFB56064t45fs6vve@130.133.1.4… > I mean, I know there are people who like ears, feet etc. and > we usually call those fetishists or something like that. > I know that all(?) men like beautiful women most, but I have > this problem. I like only "perfectly" beautiful women. I’ve > never had a girlfriend, because all the times that I had the > chance the girls weren’t as beautiful as I would want them. > When I look at a girl I look for defects in her beauty. If I > find too many of those I am sure that I could never be with > her in a relationship because of that. Is this a fetish? Do > all people have this or only some?
Only some, usually those with pretty low emotional maturity. > I was with a friend the other day and he pointed to a girl, > which (of course) I didn’t like. So I told him that he has to > raise his standards. He replied that if he was to raise his > standards he will never get any (sex). I thought about it and > I realised that I don’t care. If I want sex I’ll just go to a > hooker.
Bwaaahahahaha, that’s equal to no standards. and Ewwww! No self respecting girl would go out with a guy that would go see a hooker. Talk about a major disguisting flaw. You may as well have stuck your dick in a sewer. I certainly wouldn’t touch it with a 10 foot pole. > If I want a relationship, I’ll do it with a girl I > like. But the problem is that my estimated "girls I consider > beautiful" to "girls I have no interest in" is about 1 to 50.
Your problem is that you are afraid of real life, and have come up with a little fairytale that is very unrealistic, as a way to not have to live in real world which is scary to you. And which you have no idea how to handle. It’s not a fetish, it’s just a maladapted coping mechanisam. Probably should see a shrink about that, tmaybe he can reel you back to earth. > If you take into account that I’m not incredibly good at > dating, that I’m not ultra good-looking, and I look for some > other stuff besides that, I believe that the girls that I > might get the chance to date and actually mean something to me > are 1 out of 1000 or something.
With the attitude you have, I think your chances are more like 1:100,000,000 Hell, may as well add another 20 zeros behind that number. > Is this normal, do a lot of people have it or is it just me?
It’s not normal. It’s maladaptive. You actually don’t have much to offer to someone that is anywhere near perfection. Emotionally or physically.
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>Certainly your standards are self-defeating.
Why doesn’t anyone ever tell women that their high standards are self-defeating?
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Nod nod. Not to mention that judging people on their looks alone is incredibly shallow. He may as well get himself one of those silicone life like dolls, they’re all perfect looks and no personality. It should suite his standards. Then one day, when he’s very old, he’ll wake up and realize that he wasted his likfe loonking ofr something that doesn’t exist (perfection), and that he’s missed out on the living. "Nom dePlume" <nomdeplume1…@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:bnalp206jh@enews4.newsguy.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’d call that more an obsession than a fetish, but it is definitely a > problem. Excessively rigid and unreasonable standards are a good way > to remain unhappy. Really, they allow you to exchange one kind of > unhappiness (fear of interaction and failure) with another > (loneliness). I had thought this kind of attitude was more a female > thing than a male thing, but I can see you have it, too. I hope you > can let it go and find a great woman. > — > Nom dePlume, Ph.D > Why, yes, in fact, I am a rocket scientist. > "Psymaster" <nosmapple…@somewhere.com> wrote in message > news:Xns941E6DFB56064t45fs6vve@130.133.1.4… > > I mean, I know there are people who like ears, feet etc. and > > we usually call those fetishists or something like that. > > I know that all(?) men like beautiful women most, but I have > > this problem. I like only "perfectly" beautiful women. I’ve > > never had a girlfriend, because all the times that I had the > > chance the girls weren’t as beautiful as I would want them. > > When I look at a girl I look for defects in her beauty. If I > > find too many of those I am sure that I could never be with > > her in a relationship because of that. Is this a fetish? Do > > all people have this or only some? > > I was with a friend the other day and he pointed to a girl, > > which (of course) I didn’t like. So I told him that he has to > > raise his standards. He replied that if he was to raise his > > standards he will never get any (sex). I thought about it and > > I realised that I don’t care. If I want sex I’ll just go to a > > hooker. If I want a relationship, I’ll do it with a girl I > > like. But the problem is that my estimated "girls I consider > > beautiful" to "girls I have no interest in" is about 1 to 50. > > If you take into account that I’m not incredibly good at > > dating, that I’m not ultra good-looking, and I look for some > > other stuff besides that, I believe that the girls that I > > might get the chance to date and actually mean something to me > > are 1 out of 1000 or something. > > Is this normal, do a lot of people have it or is it just me?
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jimsummer…@aol.com (Jim Summers87) wrote on Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:02:23 GMT in alt.support.loneliness: > When I find a truly beautiful woman she is usually already > married or has so many guys dating her that I don’t stand a > chance. This notion that there are so many available women > out there wherever you go is just nonsense.
Damn right. >It now makes > me realize that these guys who are the biggest players and > sleep with the most women are usually sleeping with skanks. > They seem to be attracted to women just for being women. I > find that kind of odd.
I would prefer to die than to have to show an ugly girl to my friend and say "This is my girlfriend".
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On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 09:15:43 GMT, Charles <ckr…@SPAMTRAPwest.net> wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->On 24 Oct 2003 07:47:24 GMT, Psymaster <nosmapple…@somewhere.com> >wrote: >>I mean, I know there are people who like ears, feet etc. and >>we usually call those fetishists or something like that. >>I know that all(?) men like beautiful women most, but I have >>this problem. I like only "perfectly" beautiful women. I’ve >>never had a girlfriend, because all the times that I had the >>chance the girls weren’t as beautiful as I would want them. >>When I look at a girl I look for defects in her beauty. If I >>find too many of those I am sure that I could never be with >>her in a relationship because of that. Is this a fetish? Do >>all people have this or only some? >>I was with a friend the other day and he pointed to a girl, >>which (of course) I didn’t like. So I told him that he has to >>raise his standards. He replied that if he was to raise his >>standards he will never get any (sex). I thought about it and >>I realised that I don’t care. If I want sex I’ll just go to a >>hooker. If I want a relationship, I’ll do it with a girl I >>like. But the problem is that my estimated "girls I consider >>beautiful" to "girls I have no interest in" is about 1 to 50. >>If you take into account that I’m not incredibly good at >>dating, that I’m not ultra good-looking, and I look for some >>other stuff besides that, I believe that the girls that I >>might get the chance to date and actually mean something to me >>are 1 out of 1000 or something. >>Is this normal, do a lot of people have it or is it just me? >consider whether it might just be an excuse to not get involved with >someone else. It can’t be your fault if she is not good enough for >you, can it?
Good point. Tracy Barber
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"%" <su…@uniserve.com> wrote on Fri, 24 Oct 2003 07:49:46 GMT in alt.support.depression: > no this is not a fetish , it’s a lie
How do you know, idiot?
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"%" <su…@uniserve.com> wrote on Fri, 24 Oct 2003 07:51:40 GMT in alt.support.depression: > it was a fetish in alt.support.depression , but it’s not a > fault in your crossposted choice , > there , it’s just sick
What are you talking about?
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theho…@pooh.corner <theho…@pooh.corner> spake thusly: > On 24 Oct 2003 07:47:24 GMT, Psymaster > <nosmapple…@somewhere.com> wrote: >> <(((*> I know that all(?) men like beautiful women most, but I have >> <(((*> this problem. I like only "perfectly" beautiful women. > Looks like a troll to me.
I agree. If what he wrote *is* true (which I doubt) then he’s one shallow individual. — A good summary of my beliefs: http://www.upci.org/doctrine
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I’d call that more an obsession than a fetish, but it is definitely a problem. Excessively rigid and unreasonable standards are a good way to remain unhappy. Really, they allow you to exchange one kind of unhappiness (fear of interaction and failure) with another (loneliness). I had thought this kind of attitude was more a female thing than a male thing, but I can see you have it, too. I hope you can let it go and find a great woman. — Nom dePlume, Ph.D Why, yes, in fact, I am a rocket scientist. "Psymaster" <nosmapple…@somewhere.com> wrote in message
news:Xns941E6DFB56064t45fs6vve@130.133.1.4… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I mean, I know there are people who like ears, feet etc. and > we usually call those fetishists or something like that. > I know that all(?) men like beautiful women most, but I have > this problem. I like only "perfectly" beautiful women. I’ve > never had a girlfriend, because all the times that I had the > chance the girls weren’t as beautiful as I would want them. > When I look at a girl I look for defects in her beauty. If I > find too many of those I am sure that I could never be with > her in a relationship because of that. Is this a fetish? Do > all people have this or only some? > I was with a friend the other day and he pointed to a girl, > which (of course) I didn’t like. So I told him that he has to > raise his standards. He replied that if he was to raise his > standards he will never get any (sex). I thought about it and > I realised that I don’t care. If I want sex I’ll just go to a > hooker. If I want a relationship, I’ll do it with a girl I > like. But the problem is that my estimated "girls I consider > beautiful" to "girls I have no interest in" is about 1 to 50. > If you take into account that I’m not incredibly good at > dating, that I’m not ultra good-looking, and I look for some > other stuff besides that, I believe that the girls that I > might get the chance to date and actually mean something to me > are 1 out of 1000 or something. > Is this normal, do a lot of people have it or is it just me?
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>Is this normal, do a lot of people have it or is it just me?
No, I don’t think you are alone on this. For me, I don’t find women attractive if they don’t dress like women. For example, there was this brunette who always wore jeans and T-Shirts, she probably wasn’t that bad looking but I just hate women who dress like men so I didn’t give her a chance at all. To me, a woman has to look overly feminine..lots of makeup, skirts, stockings, high heels, etc…I also need a woman to have a perfect ass. What really annoys me is how I meet ordinary women who want guys who are so perfect. There was this one blonde girl who was very short and had a big butt and didn’t dress feminine at all and yet this girl was absolutely shocked when I rejected her. She spent the next 4 months of class just staring at me with a look on her face of, "Why don’t you like me?" It amazes me that women with obvious imperfections have such high standards. I simply don’t understand how society got this bad for men in the dating scene. When I find a truly beautiful woman she is usually already married or has so many guys dating her that I don’t stand a chance. This notion that there are so many available women out there wherever you go is just nonsense. It now makes me realize that these guys who are the biggest players and sleep with the most women are usually sleeping with skanks. They seem to be attracted to women just for being women. I find that kind of odd.
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"Psymaster" <nosmapple…@somewhere.com> wrote in message
news:Xns941E6DFB56064t45fs6vve@130.133.1.4… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I mean, I know there are people who like ears, feet etc. and > we usually call those fetishists or something like that. > I know that all(?) men like beautiful women most, but I have > this problem. I like only "perfectly" beautiful women. I’ve > never had a girlfriend, because all the times that I had the > chance the girls weren’t as beautiful as I would want them. > When I look at a girl I look for defects in her beauty. If I > find too many of those I am sure that I could never be with > her in a relationship because of that. Is this a fetish? Do > all people have this or only some? > I was with a friend the other day and he pointed to a girl, > which (of course) I didn’t like. So I told him that he has to > raise his standards. He replied that if he was to raise his > standards he will never get any (sex). I thought about it and > I realised that I don’t care. If I want sex I’ll just go to a > hooker. If I want a relationship, I’ll do it with a girl I > like. But the problem is that my estimated "girls I consider > beautiful" to "girls I have no interest in" is about 1 to 50. > If you take into account that I’m not incredibly good at > dating, that I’m not ultra good-looking, and I look for some > other stuff besides that, I believe that the girls that I > might get the chance to date and actually mean something to me > are 1 out of 1000 or something. > Is this normal, do a lot of people have it or is it just me?
it was a fetish in alt.support.depression , but it’s not a fault in your crossposted choice , there , it’s just sick
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"Psymaster" <nosmapple…@somewhere.com> wrote in message
news:Xns941E6DFB56064t45fs6vve@130.133.1.4… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I mean, I know there are people who like ears, feet etc. and > we usually call those fetishists or something like that. > I know that all(?) men like beautiful women most, but I have > this problem. I like only "perfectly" beautiful women. I’ve > never had a girlfriend, because all the times that I had the > chance the girls weren’t as beautiful as I would want them. > When I look at a girl I look for defects in her beauty. If I > find too many of those I am sure that I could never be with > her in a relationship because of that. Is this a fetish? Do > all people have this or only some? > I was with a friend the other day and he pointed to a girl, > which (of course) I didn’t like. So I told him that he has to > raise his standards. He replied that if he was to raise his > standards he will never get any (sex). I thought about it and > I realised that I don’t care. If I want sex I’ll just go to a > hooker. If I want a relationship, I’ll do it with a girl I > like. But the problem is that my estimated "girls I consider > beautiful" to "girls I have no interest in" is about 1 to 50. > If you take into account that I’m not incredibly good at > dating, that I’m not ultra good-looking, and I look for some > other stuff besides that, I believe that the girls that I > might get the chance to date and actually mean something to me > are 1 out of 1000 or something. > Is this normal, do a lot of people have it or is it just me?
no this is not a fetish , it’s a lie
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I mean, I know there are people who like ears, feet etc. and we usually call those fetishists or something like that. I know that all(?) men like beautiful women most, but I have this problem. I like only "perfectly" beautiful women. I’ve never had a girlfriend, because all the times that I had the chance the girls weren’t as beautiful as I would want them. When I look at a girl I look for defects in her beauty. If I find too many of those I am sure that I could never be with her in a relationship because of that. Is this a fetish? Do all people have this or only some? I was with a friend the other day and he pointed to a girl, which (of course) I didn’t like. So I told him that he has to raise his standards. He replied that if he was to raise his standards he will never get any (sex). I thought about it and I realised that I don’t care. If I want sex I’ll just go to a hooker. If I want a relationship, I’ll do it with a girl I like. But the problem is that my estimated "girls I consider beautiful" to "girls I have no interest in" is about 1 to 50. If you take into account that I’m not incredibly good at dating, that I’m not ultra good-looking, and I look for some other stuff besides that, I believe that the girls that I might get the chance to date and actually mean something to me are 1 out of 1000 or something. Is this normal, do a lot of people have it or is it just me?
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Hi, I would like to know if somebody know of some natural way to get rid of anxiety. During the evening, I start getting anxious. As the time to go to bed get near, I get increasingly anxious. When I go to bed, I sometimes feel so anxious that I cannot sleep. Because of that I always go to bed too late and feel tire in the morning. I feel like my hearth is hurting badly even though I am not heartbroken by anybody unless it is by life itself. When things are really bad, I take a pill called clonazepam. It works for me but I only take the pill in emergencies because when I take that pill, I cannot get up in the morning; I feel too tired. During the day, I sometimes feel a bit anxious but nothing really bad. I also feel a bit depressed. It seems that when I have a girlfriend to sleep with most of the anxiety goes aways but right now I don’t have a girlfriend to sleep with and I do not want to use somebody to feel better. I have started meditation and trying to be conscious of the thoughts patterns and the Now but it seems only to help feeling somehow a bit better during the day. It does not help during the evening. Any help will be appreciated. Richard
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well at night when i get in the bed my heart start racing. i am afraid to close my eyes when i dose off i jump straight up from the lightest bump. i get light headed.i am afraid to tell anyone because they might think i am crazy. somebody talk to me please thank you—-beverly
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I get that occasionally, but I’m generally more anxious in the morning. One thing you can do is get a relaxation tape, I have one, and I would put it on the internet for download but my stereo doesn’t have an output. I do this every night, and many times I fall asleep half way through it. I’ll try to get it on the internet, and as soon as I do I will tell you all. Sleep Tight! Robin – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – well at night when i get in the bed my heart start racing. i am afraid to close my eyes when i dose off i jump straight up from the lightest bump. i get light headed.i am afraid to tell anyone because they might think i am crazy. somebody talk to me please thank you—-beverly
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Thank you for the suggestion. Funny, I did not think about it. I will get a CD of some relaxing music from the library tomorrow (it is close today) and I will try it. Thanks again, Richard – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I get that occasionally, but I’m generally more anxious in the morning. One thing you can do is get a relaxation tape, I have one, and I would put it on the internet for download but my stereo doesn’t have an output. I do this every night, and many times I fall asleep half way through it. I’ll try to get it on the internet, and as soon as I do I will tell you all. Sleep Tight! Robin well at night when i get in the bed my heart start racing. i am afraid to close my eyes when i dose off i jump straight up from the lightest bump. i get light headed.i am afraid to tell anyone because they might think i am crazy. somebody talk to me please thank you—-beverly
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Hi, I would like to know if somebody know of some natural way to get rid of anxiety. During the evening, I start getting anxious. As the time to go to bed get near, I get increasingly anxious. When I go to bed, I sometimes feel so anxious that I cannot sleep. Because of that I always go to bed too late and feel tire in the morning. I feel like my hearth is hurting badly even though I am not heartbroken by anybody unless it is by life itself. When things are really bad, I take a pill called clonazepam. It works for me but I only take the pill in emergencies because when I take that pill, I cannot get up in the morning; I feel too tired. During the day, I sometimes feel a bit anxious but nothing really bad. I also feel a bit depressed. It seems that when I have a girlfriend to sleep with most of the anxiety goes aways but right now I don’t have a girlfriend to sleep with and I do not want to use somebody to feel better. I have started meditation and trying to be conscious of the thoughts patterns and the Now but it seems only to help feeling somehow a bit better during the day. It does not help during the evening. Any help will be appreciated. Richard
Sex before bedtime is a natural way to get rid of anxiety. And if you aren’t married or have a girlfriend, then you know what you have to do — "Vital papers will demonstrate their vitality by spontaneously moving from where you left them to where you can’t find them."
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Sex before bedtime is a natural way to get rid of anxiety. And if you aren’t married or have a girlfriend, then you know what you have to do
Heheheh… True enough… Mia
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Thank you for the suggestion. Funny, I did not think about it. I will get a CD of some relaxing music from the library tomorrow (it is close today) and I will try it.
Or you could just listen to the radio. Any soft or classical music is good. But that don’t work too well for me, what I prefer is talk radio. I put on a talk station and put the radio on sleep. Like that when I go to bed I won’t feel lonely and my attention would be absorbed by the radio program. It’s more a way to escape my anxiety/depression-causing thoughts that go wild in the evening/night. I assume you might have the same problem (sleeping alone=loneliness) that could be responsible for your anxiety attacks. Reading (fiction or other) before going to sleep also helps in the same manner. PS: I found it strange that some poster called Berverly A Craft ‘hijacked’ your original post and the message you are replying to above was initially directed to her and not to you… but anyway that’s beside the point.
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"Sex before bedtime is a natural way to get rid of anxiety. And if you aren’t married or have a girlfriend, then you know what you have to do " MASTURBATION are you suggesting? Well, that sounds good, but you will only be getting rid of anxiety and exchanging it for going blind. No matter what we try to do to feel better, we have to pay the piper later on with some other malady. LOL Richie
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