This is so wierd
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In article <3881D922.D20CC…@albedo.net>, Bill <mrb…@albedo.net> wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> You do brighten the place Cloud! Must be that silver lining. > I like your attitude. > Bill > pam / aka cloud9 wrote: > > Was reading this post and David’s view on lady life and thought how > > saddened it must feel to think women so heartless and cruel BUT there > > was a time I thought this way of men. > > Those man who carry iron upon there shoulders and hearts of steel. > > Men who will never cry at sad movies. Men who feel no pains. Men who > > reep power at no expense. Men who use a woman for the pleasures of > > his own. > > I thought of this and oh my, what a lonely world it had become. For > > I, to have shut out all the other possibilities of seeing Men in a > > different light. To suggest that there can not be a Man who feels the > > tenderness from his heart and being. > > But to this I believe. We are what we wish to generate. A Man > > disheveled in grief sheds the appearance of one. A Women angered in > > hatred and remorse also adorns a wardrobe. And what of the Man who > > avoids love to elude love’s moment(s) of sadness. Is this not the Man > > who wears the greatest garment of fear? > > But to "love and the whole world loves with you." > > Written in graffiti upon the wall of an old fort were these words, "A > > life lived in fear is a life half-lived" > > SO David, this old lady here today is telling you it’s a beautiful day > > and you are a beautiful man. Wear the smile of a Man loved and adored > > by many! And love yourself enough to be proud of ALL you are and not > > just the perfections. > > But… was one last thing I wanted to say. I think the lady in the > > store WAS hitting up on you too. What a treat! > > Keep ‘em drooling! > > the cloud pam
Well I had written an itemized response but it’s just to a series of negative implications about me followed but one insicere positive one pasted on at the end. Of course, that’s why you "brighten the day!" If anyone wants pat on the back, just dump on me. It’s always been that way, and they wonder where I draw my conclusions…. — David H http://www.geocities.com/worsethandeath Updated approximately biweekly worsethande…@yahoo.com Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.
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Always is not to be construed with foreverness. Is just a consistency which applies to the magnitude of inner desires and personal pretense. I hope I was not perceived as dumping on you for this was far my intention. What was and is my intention is to say what wonderfulness you are, you won’t find in another person or place or thing even. It is all wrapped up in who you are already. A woman is a woman and a man is a man. Nothing special about either. The beauty is the spice we add to the brew of each self. am not always so self-assured but am consistent even with my inconsistencies. and what’s more, i am very real. the cloud On Sun, 16 Jan 2000 18:10:33 GMT, David H. <david_hens…@my-deja.com> wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->In article <3881D922.D20CC…@albedo.net>, > Bill <mrb…@albedo.net> wrote: >> You do brighten the place Cloud! Must be that silver lining. >> I like your attitude. >> Bill >> pam / aka cloud9 wrote: >> > Was reading this post and David’s view on lady life and thought how >> > saddened it must feel to think women so heartless and cruel BUT >there >> > was a time I thought this way of men. >> > Those man who carry iron upon there shoulders and hearts of steel. >> > Men who will never cry at sad movies. Men who feel no pains. Men >who >> > reep power at no expense. Men who use a woman for the pleasures of >> > his own. >> > I thought of this and oh my, what a lonely world it had become. For >> > I, to have shut out all the other possibilities of seeing Men in a >> > different light. To suggest that there can not be a Man who feels >the >> > tenderness from his heart and being. >> > But to this I believe. We are what we wish to generate. A Man >> > disheveled in grief sheds the appearance of one. A Women angered in >> > hatred and remorse also adorns a wardrobe. And what of the Man who >> > avoids love to elude love’s moment(s) of sadness. Is this not the >Man >> > who wears the greatest garment of fear? >> > But to "love and the whole world loves with you." >> > Written in graffiti upon the wall of an old fort were these >words, "A >> > life lived in fear is a life half-lived" >> > SO David, this old lady here today is telling you it’s a beautiful >day >> > and you are a beautiful man. Wear the smile of a Man loved and >adored >> > by many! And love yourself enough to be proud of ALL you are and >not >> > just the perfections. >> > But… was one last thing I wanted to say. I think the lady in the >> > store WAS hitting up on you too. What a treat! >> > Keep ‘em drooling! >> > the cloud pam >Well I had written an itemized response but it’s just to a series of >negative implications about me followed but one insicere positive one >pasted on at the end. Of course, that’s why you "brighten the day!" >If anyone wants pat on the back, just dump on me. It’s always been >that way, and they wonder where I draw my conclusions…. >– >David H >http://www.geocities.com/worsethandeath >Updated approximately biweekly >worsethande…@yahoo.com >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >Before you buy.
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i think the many stars out in the sky do shine so bright and not more then i but each is a part of a trillion or more making the sky brighter then e’er before then what would the moon be without the star? alone and as distant but never too far to outshine half as bright, as a crescent or full singing solo to a chorus of stars even still. and it shines down on me as it shines just for you Always, the cloud – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -On Sun, 16 Jan 2000 08:43:46 -0600, Bill <mrb…@albedo.net> wrote: > You do brighten the place Cloud! Must be that silver lining. >I like your attitude. >Bill >pam / aka cloud9 wrote: >> Was reading this post and David’s view on lady life and thought how >> saddened it must feel to think women so heartless and cruel BUT there >> was a time I thought this way of men. >> Those man who carry iron upon there shoulders and hearts of steel. >> Men who will never cry at sad movies. Men who feel no pains. Men who >> reep power at no expense. Men who use a woman for the pleasures of >> his own. >> I thought of this and oh my, what a lonely world it had become. For >> I, to have shut out all the other possibilities of seeing Men in a >> different light. To suggest that there can not be a Man who feels the >> tenderness from his heart and being. >> But to this I believe. We are what we wish to generate. A Man >> disheveled in grief sheds the appearance of one. A Women angered in >> hatred and remorse also adorns a wardrobe. And what of the Man who >> avoids love to elude love’s moment(s) of sadness. Is this not the Man >> who wears the greatest garment of fear? >> But to "love and the whole world loves with you." >> Written in graffiti upon the wall of an old fort were these words, "A >> life lived in fear is a life half-lived" >> SO David, this old lady here today is telling you it’s a beautiful day >> and you are a beautiful man. Wear the smile of a Man loved and adored >> by many! And love yourself enough to be proud of ALL you are and not >> just the perfections. >> But… was one last thing I wanted to say. I think the lady in the >> store WAS hitting up on you too. What a treat! >> Keep ‘em drooling! >> the cloud pam >> On Sun, 16 Jan 2000 06:36:14 GMT, David H. <david_hens…@my-deja.com> >> wrote: >> >In article <85mcqe$111…@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com>, >> > "ric" <asl…@REMOVE-CAPS-BEFORE-REPLYegroups.com> wrote: >> >> Hi David… >> >> I’m wondering if it’s the negative thoughts you were thinking… >> >The basic negative thought I have is, women have no hearts. And I try >> >to reflect that attitude as much as possible in my body language and >> >other insinuations. >> >could it be >> >> that there was no need or hunger for love and sharing and intimacy >> >that there >> >> once was?… and that maybe the hunger – which could be seen as >> >wanting too much >> >> too soon – might have been the wall?… >> >No. You make good points. But actually my hunger has increased lately. >> >>and then another thought… >> >> could you be actualizing self-respect and projecting a more confident >> >persona to >> >> others now because you are not shwing the loneliness?… >> >>and perhaps that is >> >> what is more attractive, or at least more approachable?… >> >Hard to say. I cannot be projecting loneliness at this point because I >> >am not lonely. So it could have started when the first female said she >> >wanted to be more than friends. However, I doubt that that deep of a >> >feeling can be perceived externally. >> >> perhaps you needed to get mad, to stop being too nice and wanting to >> >please too >> >> much… maybe in time your pendulum will swing back closer to a >> >middle ground… >> >> where you can be kind and yourself with confidence and without >> >anger… >> >Thank you very much. >> >However, and I hate to disagree with you because you are saying very >> >level headed things. However, I have not been getting mad. Negative >> >does not equal mad. I’m not flaming or venting or lashing out. I just >> >drew a conclusion based on a lifetime of experience. And the >> >conclusion seems to be correct based on what has been happening to me >> >lately. >> >For instance, in addition to the upturns in my social life I’ve >> >mentioned lately, tonight on the way home from the female I saw, I >> >stopped at Sears and while I was looking at the computers I swear the >> >sales girl hit on me. (She was about the hottest woman I’ve ever seen >> >BTW, in terms of her looks and personality and my feeling that she was >> >right for me) I’m almost certain it wasn’t just her trying to make a >> >sale. She got into an actual conversation with me and asked if I was >> >waiting on a wife or a girlfriend. But even I was not so low as to >> >arrange a date with a stranger on the way home from another date >> >(besides it was out of town). And when I left the store some giggling >> >teenagers with southern accents stopped me as I was walking away, and >> >about 100 feet past them, asked me some silly question about where a >> >wal-mart was. Wierd. Also, somebody I met yesterday said he would try >> >to set me up with a woman he knew and I didn’t even hint that I wanted >> >him to. This is very strange. >> >Hell must have frozen over. >> >(It is so wierd that this stuff happened right after I built my >> >hompage, and stated on it that I would not give up on it because after >> >30 years of being alone there’s no way I will suddenly develop a social >> >life.) >> >But if things do settle down and go back to normal I will always have >> >my homepage to fall back on. >> >– >> >David H >> >http://www.geocities.com/worsethandeath >> >Updated approximately biweekly >> >worsethande…@yahoo.com >> >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >> >Before you buy.
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You do brighten the place Cloud! Must be that silver lining. I like your attitude. Bill pam / aka cloud9 wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Was reading this post and David’s view on lady life and thought how > saddened it must feel to think women so heartless and cruel BUT there > was a time I thought this way of men. > Those man who carry iron upon there shoulders and hearts of steel. > Men who will never cry at sad movies. Men who feel no pains. Men who > reep power at no expense. Men who use a woman for the pleasures of > his own. > I thought of this and oh my, what a lonely world it had become. For > I, to have shut out all the other possibilities of seeing Men in a > different light. To suggest that there can not be a Man who feels the > tenderness from his heart and being. > But to this I believe. We are what we wish to generate. A Man > disheveled in grief sheds the appearance of one. A Women angered in > hatred and remorse also adorns a wardrobe. And what of the Man who > avoids love to elude love’s moment(s) of sadness. Is this not the Man > who wears the greatest garment of fear? > But to "love and the whole world loves with you." > Written in graffiti upon the wall of an old fort were these words, "A > life lived in fear is a life half-lived" > SO David, this old lady here today is telling you it’s a beautiful day > and you are a beautiful man. Wear the smile of a Man loved and adored > by many! And love yourself enough to be proud of ALL you are and not > just the perfections. > But… was one last thing I wanted to say. I think the lady in the > store WAS hitting up on you too. What a treat! > Keep ‘em drooling! > the cloud pam > On Sun, 16 Jan 2000 06:36:14 GMT, David H. <david_hens…@my-deja.com> > wrote: > >In article <85mcqe$111…@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com>, > > "ric" <asl…@REMOVE-CAPS-BEFORE-REPLYegroups.com> wrote: > >> Hi David… > >> I’m wondering if it’s the negative thoughts you were thinking… > >The basic negative thought I have is, women have no hearts. And I try > >to reflect that attitude as much as possible in my body language and > >other insinuations. > >could it be > >> that there was no need or hunger for love and sharing and intimacy > >that there > >> once was?… and that maybe the hunger – which could be seen as > >wanting too much > >> too soon – might have been the wall?… > >No. You make good points. But actually my hunger has increased lately. > >>and then another thought… > >> could you be actualizing self-respect and projecting a more confident > >persona to > >> others now because you are not shwing the loneliness?… > >>and perhaps that is > >> what is more attractive, or at least more approachable?… > >Hard to say. I cannot be projecting loneliness at this point because I > >am not lonely. So it could have started when the first female said she > >wanted to be more than friends. However, I doubt that that deep of a > >feeling can be perceived externally. > >> perhaps you needed to get mad, to stop being too nice and wanting to > >please too > >> much… maybe in time your pendulum will swing back closer to a > >middle ground… > >> where you can be kind and yourself with confidence and without > >anger… > >Thank you very much. > >However, and I hate to disagree with you because you are saying very > >level headed things. However, I have not been getting mad. Negative > >does not equal mad. I’m not flaming or venting or lashing out. I just > >drew a conclusion based on a lifetime of experience. And the > >conclusion seems to be correct based on what has been happening to me > >lately. > >For instance, in addition to the upturns in my social life I’ve > >mentioned lately, tonight on the way home from the female I saw, I > >stopped at Sears and while I was looking at the computers I swear the > >sales girl hit on me. (She was about the hottest woman I’ve ever seen > >BTW, in terms of her looks and personality and my feeling that she was > >right for me) I’m almost certain it wasn’t just her trying to make a > >sale. She got into an actual conversation with me and asked if I was > >waiting on a wife or a girlfriend. But even I was not so low as to > >arrange a date with a stranger on the way home from another date > >(besides it was out of town). And when I left the store some giggling > >teenagers with southern accents stopped me as I was walking away, and > >about 100 feet past them, asked me some silly question about where a > >wal-mart was. Wierd. Also, somebody I met yesterday said he would try > >to set me up with a woman he knew and I didn’t even hint that I wanted > >him to. This is very strange. > >Hell must have frozen over. > >(It is so wierd that this stuff happened right after I built my > >hompage, and stated on it that I would not give up on it because after > >30 years of being alone there’s no way I will suddenly develop a social > >life.) > >But if things do settle down and go back to normal I will always have > >my homepage to fall back on. > >– > >David H > >http://www.geocities.com/worsethandeath > >Updated approximately biweekly > >worsethande…@yahoo.com > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > >Before you buy.
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Was reading this post and David’s view on lady life and thought how saddened it must feel to think women so heartless and cruel BUT there was a time I thought this way of men. Those man who carry iron upon there shoulders and hearts of steel. Men who will never cry at sad movies. Men who feel no pains. Men who reep power at no expense. Men who use a woman for the pleasures of his own. I thought of this and oh my, what a lonely world it had become. For I, to have shut out all the other possibilities of seeing Men in a different light. To suggest that there can not be a Man who feels the tenderness from his heart and being. But to this I believe. We are what we wish to generate. A Man disheveled in grief sheds the appearance of one. A Women angered in hatred and remorse also adorns a wardrobe. And what of the Man who avoids love to elude love’s moment(s) of sadness. Is this not the Man who wears the greatest garment of fear? But to "love and the whole world loves with you." Written in graffiti upon the wall of an old fort were these words, "A life lived in fear is a life half-lived" SO David, this old lady here today is telling you it’s a beautiful day and you are a beautiful man. Wear the smile of a Man loved and adored by many! And love yourself enough to be proud of ALL you are and not just the perfections. But… was one last thing I wanted to say. I think the lady in the store WAS hitting up on you too. What a treat! Keep ‘em drooling! the cloud pam On Sun, 16 Jan 2000 06:36:14 GMT, David H. <david_hens…@my-deja.com> wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->In article <85mcqe$111…@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com>, > "ric" <asl…@REMOVE-CAPS-BEFORE-REPLYegroups.com> wrote: >> Hi David… >> I’m wondering if it’s the negative thoughts you were thinking… >The basic negative thought I have is, women have no hearts. And I try >to reflect that attitude as much as possible in my body language and >other insinuations. >could it be >> that there was no need or hunger for love and sharing and intimacy >that there >> once was?… and that maybe the hunger – which could be seen as >wanting too much >> too soon – might have been the wall?… >No. You make good points. But actually my hunger has increased lately. >>and then another thought… >> could you be actualizing self-respect and projecting a more confident >persona to >> others now because you are not shwing the loneliness?… >>and perhaps that is >> what is more attractive, or at least more approachable?… >Hard to say. I cannot be projecting loneliness at this point because I >am not lonely. So it could have started when the first female said she >wanted to be more than friends. However, I doubt that that deep of a >feeling can be perceived externally. >> perhaps you needed to get mad, to stop being too nice and wanting to >please too >> much… maybe in time your pendulum will swing back closer to a >middle ground… >> where you can be kind and yourself with confidence and without >anger… >Thank you very much. >However, and I hate to disagree with you because you are saying very >level headed things. However, I have not been getting mad. Negative >does not equal mad. I’m not flaming or venting or lashing out. I just >drew a conclusion based on a lifetime of experience. And the >conclusion seems to be correct based on what has been happening to me >lately. >For instance, in addition to the upturns in my social life I’ve >mentioned lately, tonight on the way home from the female I saw, I >stopped at Sears and while I was looking at the computers I swear the >sales girl hit on me. (She was about the hottest woman I’ve ever seen >BTW, in terms of her looks and personality and my feeling that she was >right for me) I’m almost certain it wasn’t just her trying to make a >sale. She got into an actual conversation with me and asked if I was >waiting on a wife or a girlfriend. But even I was not so low as to >arrange a date with a stranger on the way home from another date >(besides it was out of town). And when I left the store some giggling >teenagers with southern accents stopped me as I was walking away, and >about 100 feet past them, asked me some silly question about where a >wal-mart was. Wierd. Also, somebody I met yesterday said he would try >to set me up with a woman he knew and I didn’t even hint that I wanted >him to. This is very strange. >Hell must have frozen over. >(It is so wierd that this stuff happened right after I built my >hompage, and stated on it that I would not give up on it because after >30 years of being alone there’s no way I will suddenly develop a social >life.) >But if things do settle down and go back to normal I will always have >my homepage to fall back on. >– >David H >http://www.geocities.com/worsethandeath >Updated approximately biweekly >worsethande…@yahoo.com >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >Before you buy.
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<Post + email> Hello Vusani! Welcome to ASL! Here we have three people, namely you, David and Ivan, who claim to be total bums. The news of shortage of bums here were thus groundless. I suggest that a BOW (Bum of the Week) contest be organized. Tee-hee, just kidding. Thanks for your introduction. Like the line of "making it a form of art". Feel free to take a peer to the FAQ for ASL (not compulsory, in case this should be specified in an unmoderated group): <http://www.angelfire.com/mi/raffaele55/aslfaq.html> Enjoy your stay and have pun! Raffaele On Thu, 13 Jan 2000 07:51:30 -0600 "vusani" <vus…@cowtown.net> wrote: > Dear David and Ivan, > I also am a total bum and loser with a complete > mental defectiveness! Wow, I thought I was the only > one on the planet. > But after 40 years+ I think I am making it almost an art form. > Don’t know what to tell you David as I have never been > in a relationship per se, but just wanted to say hello > and introduce myself. The best of luck to you regardless. > Vusani
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Hi David… I’m wondering if it’s the negative thoughts you were thinking… could it be that there was no need or hunger for love and sharing and intimacy that there once was?… and that maybe the hunger – which could be seen as wanting too much too soon – might have been the wall?… and then another thought… could you be actualizing self-respect and projecting a more confident persona to others now because you are not shwing the loneliness?… and perhaps that is what is more attractive, or at least more approachable?… perhaps you needed to get mad, to stop being too nice and wanting to please too much… maybe in time your pendulum will swing back closer to a middle ground… where you can be kind and yourself with confidence and without anger… hope these thoughts offer something to ponder, honest love, ric – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -David H. wrote in message <85marb$6t…@nnrp1.deja.com>… >In article <EJ58OLUc7johNjzdRaPMLqqu+…@4ax.com>, > Boris Gjenero <bgjen…@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca> wrote: >> On Wed, 12 Jan 2000 05:10:06 GMT, David H. <david_hens…@my-deja.com> >> wrote: >> So like what have you been *doing* to find such a person? Is it like >> me "trying to find" friends during university… like I never really >> tried and in fact I didn’t even make myself easily approachable, and I >> put up all these walls around me, etc. >> [ Boris Gjenero <bgjen…@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca> >> [ http://www.undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca/~bgjenero/ >Isn’t it strange that after decades of thinking that I had to avoid >building walls in order to get women to approach me, I have found that >the opposite is true. For instance, I was at a hippie coffee shop >today waiting for service and a woman was standing next to me waiting >for her extravegant order which is taking all the time. 99% of the >time, as is my experience, this woman would never say a word to me. >However, unlike in the past, I stood there thinking totally negative, >inhuman thoughts about her, and then out of nowhere she said directly >to me, "I wonder what kind of cake that is?" If I’d had a few more >years experience at this (which the VAST majority of guys do!), I could >have easily carried it on to the next level and gotten to know her >better and obtained her "friendship," you might say. But I didn’t. I >was too amazed that she even spoke. It was an experiment to begin >with. Result turned positive. I’ve been trying to think kindly about >women all my life, and it got me nowhere so I would hope not to get a >lecture on how I should go back to my old ways and be totally alone, >unless it is from a woman, and fat chance of that happening. Compared >to the past, my social life is thriving right now, directly after lower >my moral standards. I’m still here because I want to attest to this >simple solution, and because I have a stake in my solutude, e.g. my >website. Also, this all may just be a fluke. >Maybe it’s just the area where I live. But I can see that most of the >lonely guys on this group have humungous hearts, and therein lies their >problem. >David H
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In article <85mcqe$111…@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com>, "ric" <asl…@REMOVE-CAPS-BEFORE-REPLYegroups.com> wrote: > Hi David… > I’m wondering if it’s the negative thoughts you were thinking…
The basic negative thought I have is, women have no hearts. And I try to reflect that attitude as much as possible in my body language and other insinuations. could it be > that there was no need or hunger for love and sharing and intimacy that there > once was?… and that maybe the hunger – which could be seen as wanting too much > too soon – might have been the wall?…
No. You make good points. But actually my hunger has increased lately. >and then another thought… > could you be actualizing self-respect and projecting a more confident persona to > others now because you are not shwing the loneliness?… >and perhaps that is > what is more attractive, or at least more approachable?…
Hard to say. I cannot be projecting loneliness at this point because I am not lonely. So it could have started when the first female said she wanted to be more than friends. However, I doubt that that deep of a feeling can be perceived externally. > perhaps you needed to get mad, to stop being too nice and wanting to please too > much… maybe in time your pendulum will swing back closer to a middle ground… > where you can be kind and yourself with confidence and without
anger… Thank you very much. However, and I hate to disagree with you because you are saying very level headed things. However, I have not been getting mad. Negative does not equal mad. I’m not flaming or venting or lashing out. I just drew a conclusion based on a lifetime of experience. And the conclusion seems to be correct based on what has been happening to me lately. For instance, in addition to the upturns in my social life I’ve mentioned lately, tonight on the way home from the female I saw, I stopped at Sears and while I was looking at the computers I swear the sales girl hit on me. (She was about the hottest woman I’ve ever seen BTW, in terms of her looks and personality and my feeling that she was right for me) I’m almost certain it wasn’t just her trying to make a sale. She got into an actual conversation with me and asked if I was waiting on a wife or a girlfriend. But even I was not so low as to arrange a date with a stranger on the way home from another date (besides it was out of town). And when I left the store some giggling teenagers with southern accents stopped me as I was walking away, and about 100 feet past them, asked me some silly question about where a wal-mart was. Wierd. Also, somebody I met yesterday said he would try to set me up with a woman he knew and I didn’t even hint that I wanted him to. This is very strange. Hell must have frozen over. (It is so wierd that this stuff happened right after I built my hompage, and stated on it that I would not give up on it because after 30 years of being alone there’s no way I will suddenly develop a social life.) But if things do settle down and go back to normal I will always have my homepage to fall back on. — David H http://www.geocities.com/worsethandeath Updated approximately biweekly worsethande…@yahoo.com Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.
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Hello again Vusani! Thank you for your nice reply. On Fri, 14 Jan 2000 02:20:57 -0600 "vusani" <vus…@cowtown.net> wrote: > Dear Rainbow Knight, > Thankyou ever so much for thy warmest of welcomes! > I really appreciate it. I do ever so much appreciate > this group, and hope to contribute if I can. But > I do tend to be a tad flaky, and might not prove any > consistancy in my postings. > Please pay it no mind as I drift in and out of reality > from time to time.
Don’t worry. You’ll soon see a bit of everything, from very serious to totally silly, so in fact you haven’t to be concerned for utter consistency. > But as you were so gracious to reply personally > I consider you a charmed and kindly soul.
Wow! Thank you! > This is not to detract from your idea of BOW. > I will cast my first ballot for moi as I think I > might be the most qualified. > We loser bums are indeed the most lonliest of the lot.
LOL… humour is a good healing factor. The BOW context, albeit unofficial, may be started any time. ;o) > Thankyou again, > Vusani
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On Fri, 14 Jan 2000 05:05:52 GMT, David H. <david_hens…@my-deja.com> wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Isn’t it strange that after decades of thinking that I had to avoid >building walls in order to get women to approach me, I have found that >the opposite is true. For instance, I was at a hippie coffee shop >today waiting for service and a woman was standing next to me waiting >for her extravegant order which is taking all the time. 99% of the >time, as is my experience, this woman would never say a word to me. >However, unlike in the past, I stood there thinking totally negative, >inhuman thoughts about her, and then out of nowhere she said directly >to me, "I wonder what kind of cake that is?" If I’d had a few more >years experience at this (which the VAST majority of guys do!), I could >have easily carried it on to the next level and gotten to know her >better and obtained her "friendship," you might say. But I didn’t. I >was too amazed that she even spoke. It was an experiment to begin >with. Result turned positive. I’ve been trying to think kindly about >women all my life, and it got me nowhere so I would hope not to get a >lecture on how I should go back to my old ways and be totally alone, >unless it is from a woman, and fat chance of that happening. Compared >to the past, my social life is thriving right now, directly after lower >my moral standards. I’m still here because I want to attest to this >simple solution, and because I have a stake in my solutude, e.g. my >website. Also, this all may just be a fluke. >Maybe it’s just the area where I live. But I can see that most of the >lonely guys on this group have humungous hearts, and therein lies their >problem.
I don’t think that it’s just a fluke and I’m not saying that you should go back to the way things were. It’s very clear that what you were doing doesn’t work, and going back to that would be bad. My point is that thinking negative, inhuman thoughts about women isn’t the right thing either… it’s just a phase… maybe it’s just something you need to do now to free yourself from certain issues. This is kind of related: My mom made me fear situations when I was driving and the car behind got too close… it’s like I could get rear-ended any moment. Then one time I drove from Waterloo to Windsor (distance of approximately 260 km on the freeway) always in the left lane. I was also mean to people who were too insistent on reminding me that I should move. That basically cured me. I still take into account when people are at an unsafe following distance, and I do move for people who want to pass, but it’s just something I do because I think it is a good thing (in terms of reducing risk, being nice to others, etc.) There is no fear or uncomfortableness or respect for any rules there. Maybe I’m being pointless here because you now need to be doing what you are doing, and you’ll probably figure out that disrespect is not the key later on, but I dunno… I’m just talking about what I notice, Oh and BTW.: Make sure you read ric’s reply too… there are some good ideas there. — [ Boris Gjenero <bgjen…@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca> [ http://www.undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca/~bgjenero/
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Dear Rainbow Knight, Thankyou ever so much for thy warmest of welcomes! I really appreciate it. I do ever so much appreciate this group, and hope to contribute if I can. But I do tend to be a tad flaky, and might not prove any consistancy in my postings.Please pay it no mind as I drift in and out of reality from time to time. But as you were so gracious to reply personally I consider you a charmed and kindly soul. This is not to detract from your idea of BOW. I will cast my first ballot for moi as I think I might be the most qualified. We loser bums are indeed the most lonliest of the lot. Thankyou again, Vusani
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Hi guys… how often have you heard ‘did you ever consider that your self-image effects how others see and treat you?’ as I see it, we’re all imperfect that’s what makes us individuals 
honest love, ric (imagine living in a perfect world with perfect people… I think I’d be bored out of my mind) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -vusani wrote in message … >Dear David and Ivan, >I also am a total bum and loser with a complete mental defectiveness! Wow, I >thought I was the only one on the planet. >But after 40 years+ I think I am making it almost an art form. >Don’t know what to tell you David as I have never been in a relationship per >se, but just wanted to say hello and introduce myself. The best of luck to >you regardless. >Vusani >David H. wrote in message <85h1ic$a9…@nnrp1.deja.com>… >>In article <387B022B.12FF6…@yahoo.com>, >> Ivan Dubois <ivan_dubois_2…@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> David H. wrote: >>> <snip> >>> > This is so screwy. I am a toal bum and a looser, and I am >>> > completely mentally defective. It is impossible that her parents >>will >>> > accept me unless they happen to be saints. >>> Well, first of all, pleased to meet you: I am a total bum (or at >>least a >>> partial bum, say 85% genuine bum, plus various additives and >>coloring), a >>> loser and completely mentally defective too. (I hope we will be >>friends.)
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In article <EJ58OLUc7johNjzdRaPMLqqu+…@4ax.com>, Boris Gjenero <bgjen…@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca> wrote: > On Wed, 12 Jan 2000 05:10:06 GMT, David H. <david_hens…@my-deja.com> > wrote: > So like what have you been *doing* to find such a person? Is it like > me "trying to find" friends during university… like I never really > tried and in fact I didn’t even make myself easily approachable, and I > put up all these walls around me, etc. > — > [ Boris Gjenero <bgjen…@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca> > [ http://www.undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca/~bgjenero/
Isn’t it strange that after decades of thinking that I had to avoid building walls in order to get women to approach me, I have found that the opposite is true. For instance, I was at a hippie coffee shop today waiting for service and a woman was standing next to me waiting for her extravegant order which is taking all the time. 99% of the time, as is my experience, this woman would never say a word to me. However, unlike in the past, I stood there thinking totally negative, inhuman thoughts about her, and then out of nowhere she said directly to me, "I wonder what kind of cake that is?" If I’d had a few more years experience at this (which the VAST majority of guys do!), I could have easily carried it on to the next level and gotten to know her better and obtained her "friendship," you might say. But I didn’t. I was too amazed that she even spoke. It was an experiment to begin with. Result turned positive. I’ve been trying to think kindly about women all my life, and it got me nowhere so I would hope not to get a lecture on how I should go back to my old ways and be totally alone, unless it is from a woman, and fat chance of that happening. Compared to the past, my social life is thriving right now, directly after lower my moral standards. I’m still here because I want to attest to this simple solution, and because I have a stake in my solutude, e.g. my website. Also, this all may just be a fluke. Maybe it’s just the area where I live. But I can see that most of the lonely guys on this group have humungous hearts, and therein lies their problem. — David H http://www.geocities.com/worsethandeath Updated approximately biweekly worsethande…@yahoo.com Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.
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On Tue, 11 Jan 2000 02:35:43 GMT, David H. <david_hens…@my-deja.com> wrote: … >date. This is so screwy. I am a toal bum and a looser, and I am >completely mentally defective. It is impossible that her parents will >accept me unless they happen to be saints. They will surely want to >know right away how much money I have, and when they hear that my >finaces are in disarray, say goodnight. I know how people are. They >are, to be blunt, well evil. This is so strange. She is religious — >I will pretend to be. She likes her parents — I’ll pretend to like >them. She never drinks — I’ll have to stop. She has never left her >home town — and I’ll have to be sure not to mention I want to move to >Portland. If marriage is indeed on her mind, I can definitely see that
… It seems like you’re judging yourself a lot and you’re thinking in terms of "how should I act to get the desired result". Do you just feel that way regarding meething her parents or do you feel that way about interacting with her too? Do you think this way a lot? If when you’re with her you’ll try to hide who you are in this way then what sort of relationship can develop? I’m interested in what you have to say because I’ve kind of been the same way. I’ve found that it can be very negative and stressful. Basically it can make doing things in life much less fun and it can even keep me from doing things because I wonder how others will judge me. But the thing I’m reallizing recently is that there are people who will accept me and like me for who I am. — [ Boris Gjenero <bgjen…@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca> [ http://www.undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca/~bgjenero/
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Hey, I wouldn’t expect you to know what I’m talking about but if there is any one who has read my past posts they would know what I mean when I said I recently lowered my moral standards. It’s clarified on my homepage at http://www.geocities.com/worsethandeath on the last update which you can find by following the first link. About your other questions, her medical student brother who I work with thought we would make a good match so he linked us up via email, so I have not met her in person yet. It’s not that we are not alike as it is that my horizons are much broader than hers, and that she chooses to reflect a certain innocence that I have not had in a long time. I think that is what you missed. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.
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In article <387B022B.12FF6…@yahoo.com>, Ivan Dubois <ivan_dubois_2…@yahoo.com> wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> David H. wrote: > <snip> > > This is so screwy. I am a toal bum and a looser, and I am > > completely mentally defective. It is impossible that her parents will > > accept me unless they happen to be saints. > Well, first of all, pleased to meet you: I am a total bum (or at least a > partial bum, say 85% genuine bum, plus various additives and coloring), a > loser and completely mentally defective too. (I hope we will be friends.) > But I do want to assure you that none of these qualities necessarily > matters with regard to parents of dates, in my experience. The parents of > all my past girlfriends liked me, and none of them were saints to my > knowledge. I think the reason they liked me is because they saw me as a > kind of vacuum-cleaner sucking unwanted, wingless progeny out of their > overcrowded nests. A less cynical but equally plausible explanation is that > I appeared to treat their daughters well (i.e. showed qualities of > attentiveness, mildness, reasonableness, politeness etc).
Thanks for that observation. I would then have to give them the impression that I could provide some sort of reasonable dwelling. > They have no right to ask for this kind of information. Tell them you are > Bill Gates’ nephew. Make something up. Most in-laws expect it. It will give > them something to throw in your face when you are married. You will thus be > doing them a great favour.
My parents have money but I doubt I’ll ever see a dime of it. > > She has never left her > > home town — and I’ll have to be sure not to mention I want to move to > > Portland. > This is beginning to sound quite romantic… eloping to Portland in dead of > night….
She says she is scared to drive on the highways. I doubt she would have the nerve to even travel across the country much less move there. I never met anyone like that before. Besides, the reason I wanted to move to Portland is because there is another female prospect from high school there that suddenly popped up after I lowered my moral standard in November. Anway thanks for the advice. I’m sure that this upturn in my social life will not last but it’s fun to talk for now. — David H http://www.geocities.com/worsethandeath Updated approximately biweekly worsethande…@yahoo.com Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.
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In article <6%De4.14728$KY2.337932@pm02news>, "ric" <asl…@XYZegroups.com> wrote: > sounds like she could be a positive influence, if you let her
I expected someone would say that. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.
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In article <D4R7OMSHjaGv4GmNouIC7YuzW…@4ax.com>, Boris Gjenero <bgjen…@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca> wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> On Tue, 11 Jan 2000 02:35:43 GMT, David H. <david_hens…@my-deja.com> > wrote: > … > >date. This is so screwy. I am a toal bum and a looser, and I am > >completely mentally defective. It is impossible that her parents will > >accept me unless they happen to be saints. They will surely want to > >know right away how much money I have, and when they hear that my > >finaces are in disarray, say goodnight. I know how people are. They > >are, to be blunt, well evil. This is so strange. She is religious – – > >I will pretend to be. She likes her parents — I’ll pretend to like > >them. She never drinks — I’ll have to stop. She has never left her > >home town — and I’ll have to be sure not to mention I want to move to > >Portland. If marriage is indeed on her mind, I can definitely see that > … > It seems like you’re judging yourself a lot and you’re thinking in > terms of "how should I act to get the desired result". Do you just > feel that way regarding meething her parents or do you feel that way > about interacting with her too?
Both. I have no respect for her at all. She is a scorge on humanity. > Do you think this way a lot?
No, only about 6 to 8 hours a day. > If when > you’re with her you’ll try to hide who you are in this way then what > sort of relationship can develop?
Marriage, then screwed up kids who will go on to get married and have screwed up kids, and so on. > I’m interested in what you have to say because I’ve kind of been the > same way. I’ve found that it can be very negative and stressful. > Basically it can make doing things in life much less fun and it can > even keep me from doing things because I wonder how others will judge > me.
Seriously, if I was to wait unti something felt right, I would be waiting until I was dead. I’ve been waiting for somebody to like me for who I am since High School. My grande illusion was believing that a female existed who would accept me without my exibitting false pretenses. I believed there was goodness in their hearts. They believe it is time for me to grow up, and if I do I will loose my soul, and if I do not I will loose my life. > But the thing I’m reallizing recently is that there are people who > will accept me and like me for who I am.
I hope that’s true. > [ Boris Gjenero <bgjen…@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca> > [ http://www.undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca/~bgjenero/
– David H http://www.geocities.com/worsethandeath Updated approximately biweekly worsethande…@yahoo.com Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.
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Dear David and Ivan, I also am a total bum and loser with a complete mental defectiveness! Wow, I thought I was the only one on the planet. But after 40 years+ I think I am making it almost an art form. Don’t know what to tell you David as I have never been in a relationship per se, but just wanted to say hello and introduce myself. The best of luck to you regardless. Vusani – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -David H. wrote in message <85h1ic$a9…@nnrp1.deja.com>… >In article <387B022B.12FF6…@yahoo.com>, > Ivan Dubois <ivan_dubois_2…@yahoo.com> wrote: >> David H. wrote: >> <snip> >> > This is so screwy. I am a toal bum and a looser, and I am >> > completely mentally defective. It is impossible that her parents >will >> > accept me unless they happen to be saints. >> Well, first of all, pleased to meet you: I am a total bum (or at >least a >> partial bum, say 85% genuine bum, plus various additives and >coloring), a >> loser and completely mentally defective too. (I hope we will be >friends.)
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On Wed, 12 Jan 2000 05:10:06 GMT, David H. <david_hens…@my-deja.com> wrote: >Both. I have no respect for her at all. She is a scorge on humanity.
I hope you’ll soon look at this stuff, see that it’s a silly game, and *drop* it. >> Do you think this way a lot? >No, only about 6 to 8 hours a day.
Uhh… I’d call that "a lot". That’s not good. >> If when >> you’re with her you’ll try to hide who you are in this way then what >> sort of relationship can develop? >Marriage, then screwed up kids who will go on to get married and have >screwed up kids, and so on.
Yeah, but what about the emotional aspects? Like okay, suppose you get married, live togeather, raise kids, etc. But what will it be like to live with someone who you don’t respect and who you think is a scourge on humanity? What will it be like for you? What will it be like for her? What about how you end up thinking how to act so that she will judge you positively? If you live with her you’ll have to do that a lot. Will that be fun? What will be enjoyable or positive about such a relationship for either of you? Why would you even bother to try to get into such a relationship? Okay, maybe the sex could be fun. But in other ways such a relationship seems very hellish and pointless. I was going to say that all this is theoretical because it can’t possibly work that way, but I’m not so sure… like people sometimes do stay in relationships where they get treated like shit. >Seriously, if I was to wait unti something felt right, I would be >waiting until I was dead. I’ve been waiting for somebody to like me >for who I am since High School. My grande illusion was believing that >a female existed who would accept me without my exibitting false >pretenses. I believed there was goodness in their hearts. They >believe it is time for me to grow up, and if I do I will loose my soul, >and if I do not I will loose my life.
So like what have you been *doing* to find such a person? Is it like me "trying to find" friends during university… like I never really tried and in fact I didn’t even make myself easily approachable, and I put up all these walls around me, etc. — [ Boris Gjenero <bgjen…@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca> [ http://www.undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca/~bgjenero/
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In article <85h0rn$9r…@nnrp1.deja.com>, David H. <david_hens…@my-deja.com> wrote: > Hey, I wouldn’t expect you to know what I’m talking about but if there > is any one who has read my past posts they would know what I mean when > I said I recently lowered my moral standards. It’s clarified on my > homepage at http://www.geocities.com/worsethandeath on the last update > which you can find by following the first link.
I got that wrong. The "first link" I referred to doesn’t exist anymore. Sorry. I got a lot of hits by people who probably read the wrong thing. You could get there directly by going to http://www.geocities.com/ worsethandeath/lifelog.htm. It is the bottom entry I was referring to. — David H http://www.geocities.com/worsethandeath Updated approximately biweekly worsethande…@yahoo.com Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.
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Well it’s now been about 2 months since I decided to lower my standards for morality, and all of a sudden I am being invited to meet a woman and her parents for dinner. I am 30 years old and I have never met a date’s parents before in my life. In fact I’m not sure I’ve even had a date. This is so screwy. I am a toal bum and a looser, and I am completely mentally defective. It is impossible that her parents will accept me unless they happen to be saints. They will surely want to know right away how much money I have, and when they hear that my finaces are in disarray, say goodnight. I know how people are. They are, to be blunt, well evil. This is so strange. She is religious — I will pretend to be. She likes her parents — I’ll pretend to like them. She never drinks — I’ll have to stop. She has never left her home town — and I’ll have to be sure not to mention I want to move to Portland. If marriage is indeed on her mind, I can definitely see that in her family tree the females are in charge, and the males are indentured. I could accept that. But it’s probably not going to happen. — David H http://www.geocities.com/worsethandeath Updated approximately biweekly worsethande…@yahoo.com Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.
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David H. wrote:
<snip> > This is so screwy. I am a toal bum and a looser, and I am > completely mentally defective. It is impossible that her parents will > accept me unless they happen to be saints.
Well, first of all, pleased to meet you: I am a total bum (or at least a partial bum, say 85% genuine bum, plus various additives and coloring), a loser and completely mentally defective too. (I hope we will be friends.) But I do want to assure you that none of these qualities necessarily matters with regard to parents of dates, in my experience. The parents of all my past girlfriends liked me, and none of them were saints to my knowledge. I think the reason they liked me is because they saw me as a kind of vacuum-cleaner sucking unwanted, wingless progeny out of their overcrowded nests. A less cynical but equally plausible explanation is that I appeared to treat their daughters well (i.e. showed qualities of attentiveness, mildness, reasonableness, politeness etc). > They will surely want to > know right away how much money I have, and when they hear that my > finaces are in disarray, say goodnight.
They have no right to ask for this kind of information. Tell them you are Bill Gates’ nephew. Make something up. Most in-laws expect it. It will give them something to throw in your face when you are married. You will thus be doing them a great favour. > She is religious — > I will pretend to be. She likes her parents — I’ll pretend to like > them.
So far, so good! > She never drinks — I’ll have to stop.
This is perhaps a little excessive………. > She has never left her > home town — and I’ll have to be sure not to mention I want to move to > Portland.
This is beginning to sound quite romantic… eloping to Portland in dead of night…. > If marriage is indeed on her mind, I can definitely see that > in her family tree the females are in charge, and the males are > indentured. I could accept that. But it’s probably not going to > happen.
Well, you never know. The point is, possible prospective in-laws don’t matter. Your date does. Remember this in life and everything else. Ivan
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sounds like she could be a positive influence, if you let her prepare for the worse, allow for the best, expect nothing honest love, ric "Short stories… that’s what we live Short Stories… just take what they will give, Short stories… that’s all it’s ever been Don’t you worry ’bout the ending… before we begin" ~ Harry Chapin ~ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -David H. wrote in message <85e4tu$75…@nnrp1.deja.com>… >Well it’s now been about 2 months since I decided to lower my standards >for morality, and all of a sudden I am being invited to meet a woman >and her parents for dinner. I am 30 years old and I have never met a >date’s parents before in my life. In fact I’m not sure I’ve even had a >date. This is so screwy. I am a toal bum and a looser, and I am >completely mentally defective. It is impossible that her parents will >accept me unless they happen to be saints. They will surely want to >know right away how much money I have, and when they hear that my >finaces are in disarray, say goodnight. I know how people are. They >are, to be blunt, well evil. This is so strange. She is religious — >I will pretend to be. She likes her parents — I’ll pretend to like >them. She never drinks — I’ll have to stop. She has never left her >home town — and I’ll have to be sure not to mention I want to move to >Portland. If marriage is indeed on her mind, I can definitely see that >in her family tree the females are in charge, and the males are >indentured. I could accept that. But it’s probably not going to >happen. >– >David H >http://www.geocities.com/worsethandeath >Updated approximately biweekly >worsethande…@yahoo.com >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >Before you buy.
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David, What an unusual post! As I read through it the one question that remained unanswered was: How do you feel about HER? Set aside the family dynamics… Set aside the play-acting… What are your feelings for this woman and why do you feel unable to be open and honest with her? On another note, what about your relationship with her makes you feel you’ve lowered your standards of morality? Then again, why would you do that for any one? Curious in Texas, MKS * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!
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