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Mad Mambo Master of Macedonia wrote: > Mxsmanic <mxsma…@gmail.com> wrote in > news:h3quq1p7l9304lk30u8i7cqlio3fs61gho@4ax.com: > > Mad Mambo Master of Macedonia writes: > >> Assuming he actually existed. > > It’s pretty certain that he actually existed, but that’s where the > > certainty stops. > From wikipedia: Historicity of Jesus.
Wikipedia is written by whichever bigot fought hardest in the edit wars. On politics and religion it is utterly unreliable for that reason. > Contemporary non-Christian sources > Of the secular commentators living within memory of Jesus, several are > claimed to have written material relating to Jesus – Pliny the Younger, > Josephus, Suetonius, and Tacitus.
True. > Pliny the Younger condemned Christians as easily led fools,
Not a very accurate recollection of Letters X.96. He referred to them worshipping ‘Christ as a god’. > as did the rhetorician Lucian some years later.
Likewise refers to Jesus and the Christians. > There is an obscure reference to a Jewish leader called "Chrestus" in > Suetonius.
Or Christus — the spelling is unimportant, as Tertullian tells us. If this does not refer to Jesus — the only person named Christ in Roman records who is documented as a source of dissention in Roman synagogues at that date, then no-one knows what it means. > Surviving manuscripts of Tacitus (in a passage in the Annals > written c. 115 CE), summarise popular opinion about Jesus, but do not > demonstrate access to any independent source of information.
This is a clever falsification of what Tacitus wrote. Tacitus does not say that he is summarising popular opinion. He merely states what he states. The idea that ancient writers footnoted themselves is curious, but of course wrong. > However, there was no mention of these passages by early Christian writers, in the > case of Tacitus nothing being noted about Christianity until the > ‘translation’ by Sulpicius Severus.
Since Tertullian quotes Pliny, this is mistaken. Sulpicius Severus has access to more of Tacitus than we do. > The most substantial non-Christian source is Josephus. Both John the Baptist > and James the Just are also documented in Josephus. The only record that > unambiguously mentions Jesus himself is that of Josephus. However, its > authenticity is still greatly debated.
There are two mentions; the long one has clearly suffered damage, the short one is universally considered genuine. > Josephus > Main article: Josephus on Jesus
I know for a fact, from personal experience, that this article is being edited by people who (a) do not know what the scholarship is and (b) are determined that the article shall not include anything from scholarship they have not read themselves unless it serves to attack the authenticity of the text. > Many Christians use a passage from Josephus as evidence that the Bible is > not the only contemporary document proclaiming the truth of their faith > and its history (such as the Resurrection of Jesus as Christ, who was > executed at the suggestion of Jewish leaders, and won many converts). > However, John Dominic Crossan and K. H. Rengstorff have noted that the > passage has many internal indicators that seem to be inconsistent with > the rest of Josephus’ writing and with what is known about Josephus, > leading them to think that part or all of the passage may have been > forged.
The general consensus today for the long passage is ‘genuine but corrupt.’ All the best, Roger Pearse
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Mad Mambo Master of Macedonia wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Mxsmanic <mxsma…@gmail.com> wrote in > news:h3quq1p7l9304lk30u8i7cqlio3fs61gho@4ax.com: >>Mad Mambo Master of Macedonia writes: >>>Assuming he actually existed. >>It’s pretty certain that he actually existed, but that’s where the >>certainty stops. > From wikipedia: Historicity of Jesus. > Contemporary non-Christian sources > Of the secular commentators living within memory of Jesus, several are > claimed to have written material relating to Jesus – Pliny the Younger, > Josephus, Suetonius, and Tacitus. Pliny the Younger condemned Christians > as easily led fools, as did the rhetorician Lucian some years later. > There is an obscure reference to a Jewish leader called "Chrestus" in > Suetonius. Surviving manuscripts of Tacitus (in a passage in the Annals > written c. 115 CE), summarise popular opinion about Jesus, but do not > demonstrate access to any independent source of information. However, > there was no mention of these passages by early Christian writers, in the > case of Tacitus nothing being noted about Christianity until the > ‘translation’ by Sulpicius Severus. The most substantial non-Christian > source is Josephus. Both John the Baptist and James the Just are also > documented in Josephus. The only record that unambiguously mentions Jesus > himself is that of Josephus. However, its authenticity is still greatly > debated. > Josephus > Main article: Josephus on Jesus > Many Christians use a passage from Josephus as evidence that the Bible is > not the only contemporary document proclaiming the truth of their faith > and its history (such as the Resurrection of Jesus as Christ, who was > executed at the suggestion of Jewish leaders, and won many converts). > However, John Dominic Crossan and K. H. Rengstorff have noted that the > passage has many internal indicators that seem to be inconsistent with > the rest of Josephus’ writing and with what is known about Josephus, > leading them to think that part or all of the passage may have been > forged.
I believe the correct euphemism is "interpolation". HTH, August Pamplona — I’m convinced that the universe has been created by someone with a particularly vile sense of humor. I would like to propose a theory of "intelligent malicious asshole design." – Antares on a.s.s. a.a. # 1811 apatriot #20 Eater of smut Proud member of the reality-based community. The address in this message’s ‘From’ field, in accordance with individual.net’s TOS, is real. However, almost all messages reaching this address are deleted without human intervention. In other words, if you e-mail me there, I will not receive your message. To make sure that e-mail messages actually reach me, make sure that my e-mail address is not hot.
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void * wrote: > "LisatheSequel" <dontmailme @ goaway.com> wrote in message news :domfqs$miu$1 @ newsreader3.netcologne.de… >>Mad Mambo Master of Macedonia wrote: >>>Hardpan <hardpan @ yahoo.com> wrote in news :s54sq11rv43mqn64o57i18egvsj125trcj @ 4ax.com: >>>>Jesus was born some time in March, by most accounts, but no one source can say what day. >>> Assuming he actually existed. >>He existed. The Cathedral (Dome) in my town has his underwear in a glass case. > So…what brand does he wear?
Before BVD, there was IXP 
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -void * wrote: > "LisatheSequel" <dontmai…@goaway.com> wrote in message > news:domfqs$miu$1@newsreader3.netcologne.de… >>Mad Mambo Master of Macedonia wrote: >>>Hardpan <hard…@yahoo.com> wrote in >>>news:s54sq11rv43mqn64o57i18egvsj125trcj@4ax.com: >>>>Jesus was born some time in March, by most accounts, but no one source >>>>can say what day. >>> Assuming he actually existed. >>He existed. The Cathedral (Dome) in my town has his underwear in a glass >>case. > So…what brand does he wear?
IHS.
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Antares writes: > Yeah, that’s the major distinction I make as well. There’s only work > or vacation. Anything else is pretty much irrelevant. Christmas, > Thanksgiving, Halloween, New Year’s, etc. — they can call it whatever > they want, as long as I don’t have to come to work.
Exactly. > The reason I make this distinction is simple. > Vacations are when I do things I want to do. > Holidays are when I do things others want me to do.
I had not thought of it that way before, but you have a point. That’s also a good argument in favor of spending holidays alone. — Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.
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tariq.1.ra…@spamgourmet.com writes: > those of you who have been supportive, thank you. it helps one go thru > a day that is hyped to be one of merriment and love.
I pity those who feel merriment and love only one day a year. — Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.
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Mad Mambo Master of Macedonia writes: > Assuming he actually existed.
It’s pretty certain that he actually existed, but that’s where the certainty stops. I wonder what people will say about Joseph Smith 2000 years from now. — Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.
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Mxsmanic <mxsma…@gmail.com> wrote in news:h3quq1p7l9304lk30u8i7cqlio3fs61gho@4ax.com: > Mad Mambo Master of Macedonia writes: >> Assuming he actually existed. > It’s pretty certain that he actually existed, but that’s where the > certainty stops.
From wikipedia: Historicity of Jesus. Contemporary non-Christian sources Of the secular commentators living within memory of Jesus, several are claimed to have written material relating to Jesus – Pliny the Younger, Josephus, Suetonius, and Tacitus. Pliny the Younger condemned Christians as easily led fools, as did the rhetorician Lucian some years later. There is an obscure reference to a Jewish leader called "Chrestus" in Suetonius. Surviving manuscripts of Tacitus (in a passage in the Annals written c. 115 CE), summarise popular opinion about Jesus, but do not demonstrate access to any independent source of information. However, there was no mention of these passages by early Christian writers, in the case of Tacitus nothing being noted about Christianity until the ‘translation’ by Sulpicius Severus. The most substantial non-Christian source is Josephus. Both John the Baptist and James the Just are also documented in Josephus. The only record that unambiguously mentions Jesus himself is that of Josephus. However, its authenticity is still greatly debated. Josephus Main article: Josephus on Jesus Many Christians use a passage from Josephus as evidence that the Bible is not the only contemporary document proclaiming the truth of their faith and its history (such as the Resurrection of Jesus as Christ, who was executed at the suggestion of Jewish leaders, and won many converts). However, John Dominic Crossan and K. H. Rengstorff have noted that the passage has many internal indicators that seem to be inconsistent with the rest of Josephus’ writing and with what is known about Josephus, leading them to think that part or all of the passage may have been forged.
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Hardpan <hard…@yahoo.com> wrote in news:s54sq11rv43mqn64o57i18egvsj125trcj@4ax.com: > Jesus was born some time in March, by most accounts, but no one source > can say what day.
Assuming he actually existed. — As for the pastor, after four days of listening to science experts dismantling the case for intelligent design, he was unimpressed. "They’re babblers," said the pastor, the Rev. Jim Grove, who leads a 40-member independent Baptist church outside of Dover. "The more Ph.D.’s you get, it seems like the further away from God you get." (NY Times, 10-2-05)
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Mad Mambo Master of Macedonia wrote: > Hardpan <hard…@yahoo.com> wrote in > news:s54sq11rv43mqn64o57i18egvsj125trcj@4ax.com: >>Jesus was born some time in March, by most accounts, but no one source >>can say what day. > Assuming he actually existed.
He existed. The Cathedral (Dome) in my town has his underwear in a glass case.
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LisatheSequel <dontmai…@goaway.com> wrote in news:domfqs$miu$1 @newsreader3.netcologne.de: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Mad Mambo Master of Macedonia wrote: >> Hardpan <hard…@yahoo.com> wrote in >> news:s54sq11rv43mqn64o57i18egvsj125trcj@4ax.com: >>>Jesus was born some time in March, by most accounts, but no one source >>>can say what day. >> Assuming he actually existed. > He existed. The Cathedral (Dome) in my town has his > underwear in a glass case.
Good enough for me. — As for the pastor, after four days of listening to science experts dismantling the case for intelligent design, he was unimpressed. "They’re babblers," said the pastor, the Rev. Jim Grove, who leads a 40-member independent Baptist church outside of Dover. "The more Ph.D.’s you get, it seems like the further away from God you get." (NY Times, 10-2-05)
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tariq.1.ra…@spamgourmet.com wrote: > x-no-archive: yes > it will be extraordinarily quiet. nobody visits. nobody to visit. i > will cook a couple lonely meals and eat them in my apt. no presents to > give and none to get.
Can you really feel that bad? You’d wouldn’t be posting. You’d probably have already commited suicide! Not to worry. Remember that it’s even worse feeling lonely in the midst of a crowd. You’re happier than you realize. =)
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"LisatheSequel" <dontmai…@goaway.com> wrote in message
news:domfqs$miu$1@newsreader3.netcologne.de… > Mad Mambo Master of Macedonia wrote: >> Hardpan <hard…@yahoo.com> wrote in >> news:s54sq11rv43mqn64o57i18egvsj125trcj@4ax.com: >>>Jesus was born some time in March, by most accounts, but no one source >>>can say what day. >> Assuming he actually existed. > He existed. The Cathedral (Dome) in my town has his underwear in a glass > case.
So…what brand does he wear?
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Mickey wrote: > My 6 titted bitch chewed up by cell phone charger. Now, I am cut off > from all the 2 titted bitches, and everyone else for that matter. > Fucking jealous bitches! > -M
I wake up in the morning and I feel the pain in my head If its rest I need I’d rather be dead No destinations in this life I live No expectations I just drift and drift and drift
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tariq.1.ra…@spamgourmet.com wrote in news:1135432263.585433.99710 @g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: > x-no-archive: yes > it will be extraordinarily quiet. nobody visits. nobody to visit. i > will cook a couple lonely meals and eat them in my apt. no presents to > give and none to get.
Me too, Brussels sprouts potatoes and bacon and a couple of dvd’s I rented. No fancy dinners, no family, actually…one called today but couldn’t be called back. So it’s me and the videos. Maybe some ghosts will visit me when "the sixth sense" is on tv… that would be fun. A poltergeist or something at Christmas, 
I’m sick anyway, got a cold and have fever. So merry christmas to you all. (including NYC NYXXX)
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In article <1135432263.585433.99…@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, tariq.1.ra…@spamgourmet.com says… > x-no-archive: yes >it will be extraordinarily quiet. nobody visits. nobody to visit. i >will cook a couple lonely meals and eat them in my apt. no presents to >give and none to get.
It is a day just like any other. It is even not even Jesus’ birthday. The date I get for it, is 3rd February, which is more likely, placing him as an Aquarian. Anyway it’s a good time to clean the place up, for me anyway. Or try to at least… What I like to do, is to help bring about the demise of Christianity as we know it, and the same with the Jews and Muslims too – give everyone a short sharp shock of truthfulness and reality. Clear the cobwebs that has gathered over centuries of muddled beliefs that these have. (Perhaps it’s my job to be ‘the cleaner’ to help clean the world, so that it will be a better place to live in?) To show a universal unified understanding of the universe in which we live – in which everyone goes through the same process of living and dying, and no one gets preferential treatment over each other. We are all the same, no matter what skin colour, what possessions or money you had, what experiences you’ve been through, and what belief system, etc you hold dear. We still go through the exit door (death) the same as everybody else does – to the other side as we change from one dimension to another. Loneliness is another illusion to realise – that we are connected with other people, and to realise that new connections can be made. It is up to yourself to make the changes so that you won’t be so lonely any more. Harvey
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In article <s54sq11rv43mqn64o57i18egvsj125t…@4ax.com>, hard…@yahoo.com says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 21:46:00 +0000 (UTC), k…@ing.notin.aus (Your >Name Here=Harvey) wrote: >>In article <1135432263.585433.99…@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, >>tariq.1.ra…@spamgourmet.com says… >>> x-no-archive: yes >>>it will be extraordinarily quiet. nobody visits. nobody to visit. i >>>will cook a couple lonely meals and eat them in my apt. no presents to >>>give and none to get. >>It is a day just like any other. >>It is even not even Jesus’ birthday. The date I get for it, is 3rd February, >>which is more likely, placing him as an Aquarian. >This is partly true. >Jesus was born some time in March, by most accounts, but no one source >can say what day. >The Church moved it to the Winter Solstice time period to draw pagans >into the Catholic Religion. >>Anyway it’s a good time to clean the place up, for me anyway. >>Or try to at least… >>What I like to do, is to help bring about the demise of Christianity >>as we know it, and the same with the Jews and Muslims too – give everyone >>a short sharp shock of truthfulness and reality. >Good luck doing that. >More then enough religious people would gladly kill you for touching >their beliefs and they would sleep soundly at night after doing so.
Yeah, well – man has to learn that to kill and murder people for any reason is simply to live without peace. Their beliefs won’t die, if it is sound. If they kill for their beliefs, it shows how unsound their beliefs are. >Better to dwell upon political affairs were one can do some good, and >let the church-dwellers do as they please, within reason, of course
Religion is political. It always was, and always will be. >>Clear the cobwebs that has gathered over centuries of muddled beliefs >>that these have. (Perhaps it’s my job to be ‘the cleaner’ to help clean >>the world, so that it will be a better place to live in?) >You wont be cleaning anything my friend. Man needs to believe that his >essence wont die forever, when his body does.
This is already true, without any help from God whatsoever. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->You wont change that fact in your lifetime or the next or the next. >>To show a universal unified understanding of the universe in which we live – >>in which everyone goes through the same process of living and dying, >>and no one gets preferential treatment over each other. >Bullshit. Live isn’t fair and lots of people get preferential >treatment in life. >After that, who can say? >>We are all the same, >>no matter what skin colour, what possessions or money you had, what >>experiences you’ve been through, and what belief system, etc you hold dear. >>We still go through the exit door (death) the same as everybody else does – >>to the other side as we change from one dimension to another. >And you can prove this beyond doubt, can you?
This is provable in logic – and so why not in life? Life follows logic, and reason. There is a reason for everything. And those who follow God, throw out reason altogether. Harvey – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>Loneliness is another illusion to realise – that we are connected with >>other people, and to realise that new connections can be made. >>It is up to yourself to make the changes so that you won’t be so lonely >>any more. >Many of the people here cannot or will not do that for various reasons >know only to themselves. >Loneliness is a state of mind, that comes from within, not from >without.
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Mad Mambo Master of Macedonia wrote: > Mickey <mi…@hotmail.com> wrote in news:XDIqf.57744$lh.54495 > @tornado.ohiordc.rr.com: >>My 6 titted bitch chewed up by cell phone charger. Now, I am cut off >>from all the 2 titted bitches, and everyone else for that matter. >>Fucking jealous bitches! >>-M > I think the phrase "titted bitches" is marking a new nadir for A.S.S.
Do you think if I used 2 legged and 4 legged that would raise the level? -M
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Mickey <mi…@hotmail.com> wrote in news:7IXqf.58058$lh.41565 @tornado.ohiordc.rr.com: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Mad Mambo Master of Macedonia wrote: >> Mickey <mi…@hotmail.com> wrote in news:XDIqf.57744$lh.54495 >> @tornado.ohiordc.rr.com: >>>My 6 titted bitch chewed up by cell phone charger. Now, I am cut off >>>from all the 2 titted bitches, and everyone else for that matter. >>>Fucking jealous bitches! >>>-M >> I think the phrase "titted bitches" is marking a new nadir for A.S.S. > Do you think if I used 2 legged and 4 legged that would raise the level? > -M
Placental versus marsupial might sink it. — As for the pastor, after four days of listening to science experts dismantling the case for intelligent design, he was unimpressed. "They’re babblers," said the pastor, the Rev. Jim Grove, who leads a 40- member independent Baptist church outside of Dover. "The more Ph.D.’s you get, it seems like the further away from God you get." (NY Times, 10-2- 05)
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tariq.1.ra…@spamgourmet.com writes: > it will be extraordinarily quiet. nobody visits. nobody to visit. i > will cook a couple lonely meals and eat them in my apt. no presents to > give and none to get.
It’s a day like any other. To me, there are only days when I must work, and days when I don’t have to work. I don’t make any other distinctions. Since I don’t like to receive visitors and nobody wants to visit me, and since I always eat meals identically in my apartment, and since I have neither presents to give nor presents to get, Christmas is no different from any other day. The only thing I can imagine that might make a distinction for me is that so many places are closed on Christmas Day, but since that day is a Sunday this year, a lot of places would be closed, anyway. And I usually don’t go anywhere between Friday evening and Monday morning. — Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.
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tariq.1.ra…@spamgourmet.com wrote: > x-no-archive: yes > it will be extraordinarily quiet. nobody visits. nobody to visit. i > will cook a couple lonely meals and eat them in my apt. no presents to > give and none to get.
So come here and talk with other people who might be in the same boat.
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tariq.1.ra…@spamgourmet.com wrote in news:1135432263.585433.99710 @g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: > x-no-archive: yes > it will be extraordinarily quiet. nobody visits. nobody to visit. i > will cook a couple lonely meals and eat them in my apt. no presents to > give and none to get.
You could volunteer at the homeless shelter or a suicide hotline. — As for the pastor, after four days of listening to science experts dismantling the case for intelligent design, he was unimpressed. "They’re babblers," said the pastor, the Rev. Jim Grove, who leads a 40-member independent Baptist church outside of Dover. "The more Ph.D.’s you get, it seems like the further away from God you get." (NY Times, 10-2-05)
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<tariq.1.ra…@spamgourmet.com> wrote in message
news:1135432263.585433.99710@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com… > x-no-archive: yes > it will be extraordinarily quiet. nobody visits. nobody to visit. i > will cook a couple lonely meals and eat them in my apt. no presents to > give and none to get.
Well anyway… "Happy Christmas" from me Pervus
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My 6 titted bitch chewed up by cell phone charger. Now, I am cut off from all the 2 titted bitches, and everyone else for that matter. Fucking jealous bitches! -M
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Mickey <mi…@hotmail.com> wrote in news:XDIqf.57744$lh.54495 @tornado.ohiordc.rr.com: > My 6 titted bitch chewed up by cell phone charger. Now, I am cut off > from all the 2 titted bitches, and everyone else for that matter. > Fucking jealous bitches! > -M
I think the phrase "titted bitches" is marking a new nadir for A.S.S. — As for the pastor, after four days of listening to science experts dismantling the case for intelligent design, he was unimpressed. "They’re babblers," said the pastor, the Rev. Jim Grove, who leads a 40-member independent Baptist church outside of Dover. "The more Ph.D.’s you get, it seems like the further away from God you get." (NY Times, 10-2-05)
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