Lonely Loneliness

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Question:

OB heeft geschreven in bericht <37994B9D.6830A…@my-deja.com>… : : :Gina R12 wrote:

: :> Dear Ms. Kat…Obviously it went over your head that the issue here not about :> who’s language is the true language.  The issue is that this newsgroup has, :> from its inception, been an English speaking group, and while "everyone" speaks :> English here, not "everyone" speaks French or Dutch or German, etc., therefore, :> it is a simple common courtesy to post in English. : :<snip> : :I find this argument weak. This is a support group for lonely people. The better :and wider the support, the more it fulfils its remit. The fact that neither you or :I have seen anyone post here saying that they do not speak English doesn’t mean :that people whose English is poor or inadequate as a tool for communication may not :be drawn to the group at different times. On Usenet there is a Spanish-speaking es.*) hierarchy, for example, but it contains no loneliness support group. So a :Spanish-speaking person with little English may end up looking here. Wouldn’t it be :nice if they could see a few Spanish posts and as a result felt instantly at home :and able to post and receive support, rather than seeing not only a monolithic :English-speaking presence but also an attitude of intolerance towards other :language communities? As far as I am concerned, the same goes for French, Russian r Tagalog. The issue is support. : :OB Amen, OB! Willing to render support as far as my weak knowledge of your language will assist me…. Caroline

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I think people who wish to say something should say it in whichever language they choose. Though obviously if the majority of readers here are english speaking then english will be more sure to get a response. Just because the posts have always been mainly in English doesn’t mean that there’s some law about it. I’m sorry to bring FAQ’s up again, but if it’s generally agreed that FAQ’s for this Newsgroup aren’t necessary, then there is only one way to answer any questions which do arise. Live and let live.

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eliza wrote: > I think people who wish to say something should say it in whichever > language they choose. Though obviously if the majority of readers here > are english speaking then english will be more sure to get a response. > Just because the posts have always been mainly in English doesn’t mean > that there’s some law about it. I’m sorry to bring FAQ’s up again, but > if it’s generally agreed that FAQ’s for this Newsgroup aren’t necessary, > then there is only one way to answer any questions which do arise. Live > and let live.

     Oh, not neccessarily.  <grin>  Anyone who wishes to can state their opinion, also.  There’s an awful lot of that going around lately.  Not meaning you here, eliza, but some who holler this "live and let live" don’t seem to be willing to practice it much themselves.  Jae —       "As far as we can discern………               The sole purpose of human existence…….                          Is to kindle a light…………..                                  In the darkness of mere being."                                             Carl Jung

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Secret Agent heeft geschreven in bericht <379bb3fa.14318…@news.wxs.nl>… :I agree, more than one language in one group is not such a good idea. :However there is a problem if I make a foreign group in alt.* as I have :done lately (al.nl.dromen = group about dreams) JD will send a removegroup :because it is considered of local interest only. If i want to create the :group in nl.* then the procedure is lengthy and the group will only be :approved by more than 50 votes. I don’t think that nl.support.eenzaamheid eenzaamheid = loneliness) will have a fair chance.. but maybe some of you :can visit alt.support.loneliness.lighthouse-keepers..we feel a little :isolated at the moment…a few more visitors are welcome : :greetings, :S.A. Not on my server…

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>    Oh, not neccessarily.  <grin>  Anyone who wishes to can state their >opinion, also.  There’s an awful lot of that going around lately.  Not >meaning you here, eliza, but some who holler this "live and let live" don’t >seem to be willing to practice it much themselves.  Jae >–

Yes !!!!  That’s one of the points I was trying to make…Thank you. Hugs and Smiles, Gina "It ain’t about the money, it ain’t about the time, It ain’t about the love you lost or the things you think you left behind, It ain’t about the losing streak, makes you feel like you’re falling apart, What matters is your heart.."                

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Rather than say I find this argument weak and without putting words in Gina’s or anyone elses mouth for that matter I would like to interject my own thoughts.  I do not see posting in different languages as a "bad" thing but do have some reservations with regard to the outcome of doing so.  Yes most post in English, so what no big deal really but when someone posts in say German for instance (not I’m not picking on the Germans – I’m half German myself I’ve been told) I’m liable to miss out on some very good advice myself.  I am not terribly compuer literate nor desire to spend the time running 25-30 posts a day through some sort of translator.  Yes my choice but then who is failing to give who the support?  There are times I get terribly down, I’ll not get into the long list of disabilities that leave me 100% disabled, and I just wish to read and maybe find that special word or words that might just be that kick in the patoot I need to crawl out of my hole.  I also realize it wouldn’t be fair to ask the poster to post in both there natural language and English, especially if they are the one down and looking for support.  And there is a few of the downsides.  Additionally I really don’t like it when I see a post that has other members of the NG names listed and yet I can’t understand what they say.  And then the good side is for some I don’t have to bother listening/reading a bunch of garbage meant to creat dissention.  So in other words I have no objection in those posting in whatever lauguage they choose, especially if they are getting the support they need – that’s what we’re here for, but please don’t hold it against me if I don’t reply as I only understand English.  Hope this finds all well. Yankee Hugs Eddie (Chief) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Caroline wrote: > OB heeft geschreven in bericht <37994B9D.6830A…@my-deja.com>… > : > : > :Gina R12 wrote: > : > :> Dear Ms. Kat…Obviously it went over your head that the issue here not > about > :> who’s language is the true language.  The issue is that this newsgroup > has, > :> from its inception, been an English speaking group, and while "everyone" > speaks > :> English here, not "everyone" speaks French or Dutch or German, etc., > therefore, > :> it is a simple common courtesy to post in English. > : > :<snip> > : > :I find this argument weak. This is a support group for lonely people. The > better > :and wider the support, the more it fulfils its remit. The fact that > neither you or > :I have seen anyone post here saying that they do not speak English doesn’t > mean > :that people whose English is poor or inadequate as a tool for > communication may not > :be drawn to the group at different times. On Usenet there is a > Spanish-speaking > es.*) hierarchy, for example, but it contains no loneliness support > group. So a > :Spanish-speaking person with little English may end up looking here. > Wouldn’t it be > :nice if they could see a few Spanish posts and as a result felt instantly > at home > :and able to post and receive support, rather than seeing not only a > monolithic > :English-speaking presence but also an attitude of intolerance towards > other > :language communities? As far as I am concerned, the same goes for French, > Russian > r Tagalog. The issue is support. > : > :OB > Amen, OB! > Willing to render support as far as my weak knowledge of your language will > assist me…. > Caroline

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No, your logic is weak, obloke… as you said, there are hierarchies for different languages, and I would assume they are there for a reason… it may not be "official", but in all the newsgroups I have seen on Usenet, that are not dedicated to languages other than English, English does seem to be the predominant language, widely accepted, and used… And you know damn good and well what this "language" issue is all about, and it is not about support. It has been used to disrupt, and annoy… and has accomplished both… True, people can post here in any language they choose, but common sense seems to make it clear, that someone posting in English is much more likely to get responses to their posts, and receive support, than someone posting in a language that few, if any, read, write, or speak… But you are partly right… the issue "should be" support…                                      Michael – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -In article <37994B9D.6830A…@my-deja.com>, OB <obl…@my-deja.com> wrote: >Gina R12 wrote: >> Dear Ms. Kat…Obviously it went over your head that the issue here not about >> who’s language is the true language.  The issue is that this newsgroup has, >> from its inception, been an English speaking group, and while "everyone" > speaks >> English here, not "everyone" speaks French or Dutch or German, etc., > therefore, >> it is a simple common courtesy to post in English. ><snip> >I find this argument weak. This is a support group for lonely people. The > better >and wider the support, the more it fulfils its remit. The fact that neither you > or >I have seen anyone post here saying that they do not speak English doesn’t mean >that people whose English is poor or inadequate as a tool for communication may > not >be drawn to the group at different times. On Usenet there is a Spanish-speaking >(es.*) hierarchy, for example, but it contains no loneliness support group. So > a >Spanish-speaking person with little English may end up looking here. Wouldn’t > it be >nice if they could see a few Spanish posts and as a result felt instantly at > home >and able to post and receive support, rather than seeing not only a monolithic >English-speaking presence but also an attitude of intolerance towards other >language communities? As far as I am concerned, the same goes for French, > Russian >or Tagalog. The issue is support. >OB

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