Am I now an enemy of the state?

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Wooo! The military industrial complex have scrapped all their existing big boys’ toys and have decided to take people out with vitriolic strings of ASCII (erm, and all dem damned non-standard code pages too e.g Cyrillic, Greek etc). It’s only words from folks who don’t know you and can never. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -drago…@yahoo.com wrote in message <74m7hk$95…@nnrp1.dejanews.com>… >*The only thing even close to a ‘private plot’ I am aware of was the >discussion on the ASL web masters forum where it was discussed how Gina, >Michael, Penny and Maria should be dealt with.* >Okay,I’m curious.Just how do you plan to deal with me?Have I done a great >wrong by disagreeing with a FAQ?If I remember right I only wrote the one post >saying I did not think there should be one.For that,I need to be dealt >with?Or is it because of my friendship with Michael and Gina?I think this >last one is a more plausible answer.I am sorry if my friendship with them >upsets you.I have kept quiet about what has been going on here because I >didn’t want to add to the fracas,but maybe I was wrong about that.Maybe I >should have been saying what I was feeling,and I was feeling a lot of >hurt.Now it stings even more,knowing you were discussing how to deal with >me,*be dealt with* has a very ominous sound to it.So I would like to know >what my crime against the state was,because as far as I can see,I have >haven’t done a damn thing to tick you off.I am very slow to anger,but right >now my boiling point is going up.I will not apologize for my friendship with >Michael or Gina,or will I not apologize for my post against a FAQ.All I want >to know is why am I all of a sudden being discussed in a forum without my >knowledge?Well I can say one thing,at least I am in good company with >Michael,Gina and Maria. >Penny >———–== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==———- >http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own

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Ric, this seems to be your latest trick… when you cannot answer honestly, you dismiss the words of others as misunderstandings, and snip them… how manipulative of you… but I have recently learned, that is your way… I have restored Penny’s words, as they are her feelings, and opinions on things, and don’t deserve your condescension… Michael In article <s0Cb2.78$Pc….@news.cwix.com>, "ric" <asl…@egroups.com> wrote:

no you are not… it is a misunderstanding once again that seems to be blowing out of proportion and I’d like to know why… perhaps ASL does not want a WebSite with ASL as it’s name… if that is the case, let me know and the name shall be removed… perpetuaing this misunderstanding is not very supportive, I hope it stops… there is no private plot… the Webmaster’s Forum is open to anyone to join and everyone is encouraged to join… the posts are public record for anyone to read… nothing secret… nothing going on behind anyone’s back… and I’ve posted this response at least a dozen time and I am now questioning the motives of those choosing to continue the misunderstanding… please explain the problem you have with the ASL WebSite or ASL Webmasters Forum without assumptions and innuendos… honest love, ric <dismissive, condescending, and manipulative snips remove, and Penny’s worthy words restored> – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -In article <74m7hk$95…@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, drago…@yahoo.com wrote: >*The only thing even close to a ‘private plot’ I am aware of was the >discussion on the ASL web masters forum where it was discussed how Gina, >Michael, Penny and Maria should be dealt with.* >Okay,I’m curious.Just how do you plan to deal with me?Have I done a great >wrong by disagreeing with a FAQ?If I remember right I only wrote the one post >saying I did not think there should be one.For that,I need to be dealt >with?Or is it because of my friendship with Michael and Gina?I think this >last one is a more plausible answer.I am sorry if my friendship with them >upsets you.I have kept quiet about what has been going on here because I >didn’t want to add to the fracas,but maybe I was wrong about that.Maybe I >should have been saying what I was feeling,and I was feeling a lot of >hurt.Now it stings even more,knowing you were discussing how to deal with >me,*be dealt with* has a very ominous sound to it.So I would like to know >what my crime against the state was,because as far as I can see,I have >haven’t done a damn thing to tick you off.I am very slow to anger,but right >now my boiling point is going up.I will not apologize for my friendship with >Michael or Gina,or will I not apologize for my post against a FAQ.All I want >to know is why am I all of a sudden being discussed in a forum without my >knowledge?Well I can say one thing,at least I am in good company with >Michael,Gina and Maria. >Penny >———–== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==———- >http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own

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Dear Penny…..I hesitate to write, but I did want to tell you that I understand how you feel….and to tell you to please be careful or you might be dealt with the same way I’m being "dealt with." And yes, dear Penny, it does hurt…..and can cause emotions to run high. Please try not to let it bother you too much. You have friends here that love you and care for you. Penny, trying to get a straight answer to your questions is futile. Please take care of yourself and remember that you do have friends here. Hugs and Smiles, Gina "I don’t need no walls around me… I don’t need no drugs to calm me… I have seen the writing on the wall…. Don’t think I’ll need anything at all….. All in all it was just bricks in the wall…" — Pink Floyd

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drago…@yahoo.com wrote: > Okay,I’m curious.Just how do you plan to deal with me?

I’m not sure who you’re talking to Penny, but I’ll answer just the same. As you know there are no people in charge , officials, leaders, that kind of stuff, just people who’ve been around for some time and people who haven’t been here long and completely new people. I think you’ve been here on and off for longer than myself. Noone is in control of the Newsgroup – if it seems that way to you, i think you will have to adjust your idea of what a Newsgroup is. None of us have any status apart from that of being a poster.Everyone is free to post whatever they want, and not even netiquette can be enforced, mercifully. >Have I done a great wrong by disagreeing with a FAQ?

That’s a question only you can answer. Who do you feel you have wronged? You answered honestly and of your own accord didn’t you? >If I remember right I only wrote the one post > saying I did not think there should be one.For that,I need to be dealt > with?

Are you asking or telling? In what way do you feel you could be dealt with? Or should be dealt with? Why? what have you done wrong? I only saw a post stating what I thought was your opinion. Why was it only the one post and why are you so timid with your opinions? Your friends aren’t. Maybe you should take a leaf out of their book. >Or is it because of my friendship with Michael and Gina?I think this > last one is a more plausible answer.I am sorry if my friendship with them > upsets you

Upsets who? It doesn’t upset me for one. I hope it doesn’t upset you. You can be friends with them and with me if you like. Just like in real life, you choose your own friends and a real friend wouldn’t tell you not to be friends with someone else. At least not in my books. Unconditional friendship. > .I have kept quiet about what has been going on here because I > didn’t want to add to the fracas,but maybe I was wrong about that.Maybe I > should have been saying what I was feeling,and I was feeling a lot of > hurt.

Yes if those feelings were so strong they were hurting you, you certainly SHOULD have spoken out earlier. This is why I’m talking about status and controls – you have just as much say as anyone else. If you bottle your feelings up this way they will eventually fizz out as anger. And in your case seemingly, an anger that turns in on itself………. >Now it stings even more,knowing you were discussing how to deal with > me,*be dealt with* has a very ominous sound to it.

……..and cannot speak it’s own name. For if it stings, that is an angry pain. >So I would like to know > what my crime against the state was,because as far as I can see,I have > haven’t done a damn thing to tick you off.I am very slow to anger,but right > now my boiling point is going up. I know. >I will not apologize for my friendship with > Michael or Gina,or will I not apologize for my post against a FAQ.All I want > to know is why am I all of a sudden being discussed in a forum without my > knowledge?Well I can say one thing,at least I am in good company with > Michael,Gina and Maria.

If you were discussed on the forum I honestly cannot remember it. I think Justin probably wasn’t expecting to start this paranoia, although I can’t speak for him. If it was deliberate I expect he’s laughing now. What makes you, or anyone else imagine that we would get into talking about people behind their backs fully knowing that they could join in and hear what we were saying, or at the least check the archives? I hope you will answer this but if you don’t I’ll understand as previously.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Gina, this is wonderful!!!!! The following is offered not in a spirit of >the busybody solving other people’s differences, but just as a sneak plug for >DejaNews… >All we need now is to sort out this question once and for all. You say >"I sent you a letter and it showed up in the group…..If you didn’t post it, >then who did ?" >If you could just remember the contents of that letter, do a search on DN and >dig it out, then we might get somewhere. The headers should show where it >came >from. >It is (from my own experience) all too easy to click on "reply" to a NG post >intending to reply to the individual, to choose the wrong menu item and send >the reply to the group instead. Maybe that might have happened in your case, >Gina? Just a thought…

Dear O’Bloke…. You know……it never occurred to me that I might have accidentally posted that message, myself !!!! It has been so long, I can’t remember if I responded directly from the post in the newsgroup or if I wrote it separately as an e-mail. Yes….I think this is one thing that I will most definitely seek out in Deja News. If I did do that…..and it sounds like something I could very well do while in the midst of a blonde moment…..then that means Chloe would not have posted my e-mail to her. This explanation sounds plausible. Thank you for your thoughts and direction. Maybe this mystery can be solved once and for all. Aaaaggghhh !!!! If I did that, then I’ll never live it down, will I ? I’m almost afraid to look…..but I will. I don’t remember too much about the message or even the name of the thread…..but I will search diligently. >AS for the "primiscopius" (sorry my typing…) insinuations, well, I remember >reading a post from you where you said something about "dispensing with >preliminaries with men" or something to that effect. Again, A DN search might >clear this up, by giving you a chance to clarify what you meant? >Feeling optimistic >O’B

Again….my mind is drawing a blank. (no remarks, please!!! <laugh>) …. but I will also search for this and I’ve already asked Chloe to present some proof of her accusations against me. I hope she will take the time to search, too. Thanks again for this information, O’Bloke. You’ve been a big help….and now I’m off to search for a while. Hugs and Smiles, Gina

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I love myself all the time but occasionally my hands get sore. haha Hugs Eddie (Chief) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Eleonore Beaudoin wrote in message <74qnf1$…@freenet-news.carleton.ca>… >Gina, >Of course I still Hug you!!! Did you fear I would not? >(((((((((((((((((((((Gina))))))))))))))))))))))) >After all, I already knew you lied when I hugged you in the >first place, did I not? Then why not still hug you now? >My being honest and loving does not depend on others, >just on me! So please keep being yourself, okay? >I do not give you love and honesty expecting you to >say the truth!:). I don’t buy or sell short: I give!:) >I did say I give love and honesty, and I simply here give you >both still. I am so sorry would you still find that tough on >you…I wish it was not so for you… > (*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(Gina)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*) >Please don’t worry about it… Never give up hope… Love >yourself, forgive yourself! After all, if I can, surely you >can too!! >((((((((((((((((((((Gina)))))))))))))))))))))))) >Honesty and love, >Chloe > Reg Riddle (regrid…@aol.com) writes: >>>Straight love answer to you, Gina!:) >>>May you read it as such!:) >>>Sometimes straight answer need taken or else they are not >>>seen as beign given…. >>>Hugs to you, Gina! In all our differences, and out of the >>>pain they cause me (can;t talk for you or anyone else) HUGS! >>>May you knwo that si how I dealw ith you:):). >>>Honesty. And hugs. >>>I hope neither trouble you, that woudl not be my intention. >>>I know you said in the past you did not want my love, but >>>I just can not be without it?:) >>>Might as well ask me to die…:):) >>>((((((((((((((((((((((Gina))))))))))))))))))))) >>>Chloe

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Chloe wrote: >Gina, >Of course I still Hug you!!! Did you fear I would not? >(((((((((((((((((((((Gina))))))))))))))))))))))) >After all, I already knew you lied when I hugged you in the >first place, did I not?

<snip> Chloe…..are you hugging me and telling me that I’m a liar at the same time ? If you will please re-read my first response, and then address those issues and questions. I am not a liar, Chloe. You’ve made some nasty accusations about me….and I’ve let them pass after I kept denying your accusations and you kept writing them. Now…..I’m asking you for proof that I’m such a liar and forger and that I ever said you were promiscuous. While we’re being straight with each other….let’s be straight. Show me the proof, please…..and if you can, and if I have been wrong….I will not hesitate to admit it. Show me if you can, Chloe. Let’s clear the air once and for all, please. I’ve tried to be nice to you and tried to understand you…..but you continue calling me a liar, among other things. Now either put up or shut up. We can hug all day long….and "say" we’re being straight, but that doesn’t make it true. I want the truth, Chloe…..and then it can be determined who needs to forgive whom …. and who needs to forget what ….and I can then believe your hugs are sincere, and also, my hugs can then be sincere. Let’s get this matter resolved and I think we’ll both feel much better. If you can prove that I have lied, forged and called you promiscous, then you are the martyr you portray yourself to be. If you can’t prove it…..then what does that make you ? I’m not looking for a fight with you…..I’m looking for the truth. Gina "Some try to tell me, thoughts they cannot defend, Just what you want to be, you will be in the end." — Moody Blues

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Straight love answer to you, Gina!:) >May you read it as such!:) >Sometimes straight answer need taken or else they are not >seen as beign given…. >Hugs to you, Gina! In all our differences, and out of the >pain they cause me (can;t talk for you or anyone else) HUGS! >May you knwo that si how I dealw ith you:):). >Honesty. And hugs. >I hope neither trouble you, that woudl not be my intention. >I know you said in the past you did not want my love, but >I just can not be without it?:) >Might as well ask me to die…:):) >((((((((((((((((((((((Gina))))))))))))))))))))) >Chloe

Chloe…… A very sweet response…..thank you. Ummm…just one problem…..I don’t remember saying I did not want your love specifically. I need all the love I can get. I have, however, said I don’t want any "tough love" …. I don’t believe in it. But now…this straight love is the best kind there is. :-) And…in keeping with my belief that straight love is the best love, I give you hugs back……. {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{Chloe}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} Now see ? That didn’t hurt a bit !!! Okay….since we’re being straight with each other…..let’s be straight. Chloe….I never said anything insinuating that you might be promiscuous….I never forged any e-mail (I don’t even know how!!) I sent you a letter and it showed up in the group…..If you didn’t post it, then who did ? I have not lied to you or about you. I sincerely wish we could get this matter resolved once and for all. Are we still hugging ? Hoping we can stay on the straight path……. Smiles, Gina "I can’t find the right words to say…My meaning’s not quite getting through…The right words are so hard to say….Can I find the right words for you? Let’s not hedge our bets because the odds are dependent…Please listen instead….Now the whispers are ending……The point’s misleading as points often do…..Can I find the right words for you?" — Blondie

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Gina, Of course I still Hug you!!! Did you fear I would not? (((((((((((((((((((((Gina))))))))))))))))))))))) After all, I already knew you lied when I hugged you in the first place, did I not? Then why not still hug you now? My being honest and loving does not depend on others, just on me! So please keep being yourself, okay? I do not give you love and honesty expecting you to say the truth!:). I don’t buy or sell short: I give!:) I did say I give love and honesty, and I simply here give you both still. I am so sorry would you still find that tough on you…I wish it was not so for you… (*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(Gina)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*) Please don’t worry about it… Never give up hope… Love yourself, forgive yourself! After all, if I can, surely you can too!! ((((((((((((((((((((Gina)))))))))))))))))))))))) Honesty and love, Chloe Reg Riddle (regrid…@aol.com) writes: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>Straight love answer to you, Gina!:) >>May you read it as such!:) >>Sometimes straight answer need taken or else they are not >>seen as beign given…. >>Hugs to you, Gina! In all our differences, and out of the >>pain they cause me (can;t talk for you or anyone else) HUGS! >>May you knwo that si how I dealw ith you:):). >>Honesty. And hugs. >>I hope neither trouble you, that woudl not be my intention. >>I know you said in the past you did not want my love, but >>I just can not be without it?:) >>Might as well ask me to die…:):) >>((((((((((((((((((((((Gina))))))))))))))))))))) >>Chloe

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Gina, this is wonderful!!!!! The following is offered not in a spirit of the busybody solving other people’s differences, but just as a sneak plug for DejaNews… All we need now is to sort out this question once and for all. You say "I sent you a letter and it showed up in the group…..If you didn’t post it, then who did ?" If you could just remember the contents of that letter, do a search on DN and dig it out, then we might get somewhere. The headers should show where it came from. It is (from my own experience) all too easy to click on "reply" to a NG post intending to reply to the individual, to choose the wrong menu item and send the reply to the group instead. Maybe that might have happened in your case, Gina? Just a thought… AS for the "primiscopius" (sorry my typing…) insinuations, well, I remember reading a post from you where you said something about "dispensing with preliminaries with men" or something to that effect. Again, A DN search might clear this up, by giving you a chance to clarify what you meant? Feeling optimistic O’B In article <19981210215230.19414.00000…@ng26.aol.com>, regrid…@aol.com (Reg Riddle) wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >Straight love answer to you, Gina!:) > >May you read it as such!:) > >Sometimes straight answer need taken or else they are not > >seen as beign given…. > >Hugs to you, Gina! In all our differences, and out of the > >pain they cause me (can;t talk for you or anyone else) HUGS! > >May you knwo that si how I dealw ith you:):). > >Honesty. And hugs. > >I hope neither trouble you, that woudl not be my intention. > >I know you said in the past you did not want my love, but > >I just can not be without it?:) > >Might as well ask me to die…:):) > >((((((((((((((((((((((Gina))))))))))))))))))))) > >Chloe > Chloe…… > A very sweet response…..thank you. Ummm…just one problem…..I don’t > remember saying I did not want your love specifically. I need all the love I > can get. I have, however, said I don’t want any "tough love" …. I don’t > believe in it. But now…this straight love is the best kind there is. :-) > And…in keeping with my belief that straight love is the best love, I give you > hugs back……. > {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{Chloe}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} > Now see ? That didn’t hurt a bit !!! > Okay….since we’re being straight with each other…..let’s be straight. > Chloe….I never said anything insinuating that you might be promiscuous….I > never forged any e-mail (I don’t even know how!!) I sent you a letter and it > showed up in the group…..If you didn’t post it, then who did ? I have not > lied to you or about you. I sincerely wish we could get this matter resolved > once and for all. > Are we still hugging ? > Hoping we can stay on the straight path……. > Smiles, > Gina > "I can’t find the right words to say…My meaning’s not quite getting > through…The right words are so hard to say….Can I find the right words for > you? > Let’s not hedge our bets because the odds are dependent…Please listen > instead….Now the whispers are ending……The point’s misleading as points > often do…..Can I find the right words for you?" — > Blondie

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>I’m not laughing, just trying to figure out how it turned into what it >did, and waiting for people to realize I’m the one who started it all. If >anyone’s interested, I posted it to point out the existing paranoia and >the contradiction of the original accusation, it was either that or wait >to have my conscription and that of others approved by general consensus. >Obviously it back fired and got out of control. Next time I’ll state >something less influential such as ’suck my…’. Yes, next time, recent >events have shown just how volatile and abrasive this news group can be, >and it does seem to happen quite often. Now that I think about, it seems >to happen every time I come here, and being the individualist that I am, >will probably end up being the next scapegoat. Oh joy, where are my >Oakleys{tired attempt at sarcasm}. >Justin.

Dear Justin…. {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{HUGS}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} Leave those Oakleys alone !! Ummm…what are Oakleys ? and more… Hugs and Smiles, Gina "He’s hard to hold on the rolling road… He knows his rig’s hot….. Get through that roadblock…." — Blondie

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Individualist or not, Justin…. Donlt hit yourself (note that you are not and that is a good thing, but I am just agreing with you not hittign yourself here:)). Words here I often think are like the novel of a writer: once out, they are not ours anymore?:) Know what I mean? I do not know you much and at first had an impression that you were very ""dry"". But as I get to know you a bit more, I hget to like you a bit more too:) Not that I hated you:) I donlt think I hate anyone:):). But I simply did not know you at all….? I still do not, but like your way of writign here…. (Wish I wrote half as good with this silly graves, and that language that si not mine, where imagien then how words once written here get to be anythign else but what "i wrote" i.e. how I meant them!:). It ends up sometimes being quite a mushy sprt of mixture of what who sais they read where to whom read their sayign so how:):). We all then ahve to sort of strive to keep an open mind and not judge too fast and remember that impressiosn are not necessarily right at all, no matter what we think… Sio I keep an open mind and open boxes in hoping tio knwo you more, and maybe in your being able to decipher me and know me more through my words in time…. My showing I was hurt while it had soem here misread me still, had others open up their minds, and I am happy to see the number of messages I had in reply. At least it is a start somewhere, regardless of how it was interpreted…But see, say soemeone closed their box of impressions oof me right there, and woudl not allow the exchange and the knowing each other, then it woudl be carrried on that I am as per the impressions they made of whatever post they happened to read…. Ad I at times, specially this last month, incresingly so, get to hurt to see how it can seem useless after months of daily attempts to be heard and seen not as per soemoen’s assumptiosn, but as I am, at least a bit somewhere so I can start from there, see what I eman? Anyway. As for being scapegoated, well…. I woudl think you are safe for the moment:):). If you would come to like me, never know what coudl happen if soem woudol see soem offense to them in that… Again, the words that do not belong to soemoen that wrote them anymore, so much as the oens reading them appriopriate themselves the words and their interpretation. I hiope I will eb able to keep my boxes of you opened, as I always try to….I hardly ever stay on any static impression I woudl say…. So it shoulod not be too hard, but just know that you are on my "gettign to know him better" list:):) In other words, I think I may get to like ya some bit!:) Chloe – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text - Justin (j…@populus.net) writes: > In article <366F4356.3…@lizdan.demon.co.uk>, l…@lizdan.demon.co.uk > says… > {snip} >> If you were discussed on the forum I honestly cannot remember it. >> I think Justin probably wasn’t expecting to start this paranoia, >> although I can’t speak for him. If it was deliberate I expect he’s >> laughing now. What makes you, or anyone else imagine that we would get >> into talking about people behind their backs fully knowing that they >> could join in and hear what we were saying, or at the least check the >> archives? >> I hope you will answer this but if you don’t I’ll understand as >> previously. > I’m not laughing, just trying to figure out how it turned into what it > did, and waiting for people to realize I’m the one who started it all. If > anyone’s interested, I posted it to point out the existing paranoia and > the contradiction of the original accusation, it was either that or wait > to have my conscription and that of others approved by general consensus. > Obviously it back fired and got out of control. Next time I’ll state > something less influential such as ’suck my…’. Yes, next time, recent > events have shown just how volatile and abrasive this news group can be, > and it does seem to happen quite often. Now that I think about, it seems > to happen every time I come here, and being the individualist that I am, > will probably end up being the next scapegoat. Oh joy, where are my > Oakleys{tired attempt at sarcasm}. > Justin.

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Straight love answer to you, Gina!:) May you read it as such!:) Sometimes straight answer need taken or else they are not seen as beign given…. Hugs to you, Gina! In all our differences, and out of the pain they cause me (can;t talk for you or anyone else) HUGS! May you knwo that si how I dealw ith you:):). Honesty. And hugs. I hope neither trouble you, that woudl not be my intention. I know you said in the past you did not want my love, but I just can not be without it?:) Might as well ask me to die…:):) ((((((((((((((((((((((Gina))))))))))))))))))))) Chloe – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Reg Riddle (regrid…@aol.com) writes: > Dear Penny…..I hesitate to write, but I did want to tell you that I > understand how you feel….and to tell you to please be careful or you might be > dealt with the same way I’m being "dealt with." > And yes, dear Penny, it does hurt…..and can cause emotions to run high. > Please try not to let it bother you too much. You have friends here that love > you and care for you. Penny, trying to get a straight answer to your questions > is futile. Please take care of yourself and remember that you do have friends > here. > Hugs and Smiles, > Gina > "I don’t need no walls around me… > I don’t need no drugs to calm me… > I have seen the writing on the wall…. > Don’t think I’ll need anything at all….. > All in all it was just bricks in the wall…" > — Pink Floyd

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Hi Justin This group may be volatile and abrasive. It is also a place where a knowledgeable individualist like yourself can provide information and a generous offer of help to a person like Chloe who has a problematic Net connection setup. Is that an example of "loneliness support"? Is it "on topic"? I suppose I’m too much of an individualist myself to care about the answers to those questions. I just saw a kind person offering help to another. I admired that very much. Sorry if I’m scapegoating you here. best wishes O’B Justin wrote:

<snip> > Yes, next time, recent > events have shown just how volatile and abrasive this news group can be, > and it does seem to happen quite often. Now that I think about, it seems > to happen every time I come here, and being the individualist that I am, > will probably end up being the next scapegoat.

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Michael… I am not trying to trick anyone… why are you trying to misrepresent and provoke me so much?… this is not supportive at all… did you notice I am down and begged this newsgroup for support this week?… please work for peace and support here – I again ask you to coordinate your own team in a unified effort to create a positive support website that provides information and creative inspiration for people who are lonely… no one is attacking you or anyone… please let the past go and bring that wonderful heart and mind into the good work many are doing… Maddogg wrote in message <74n83f$nl…@holly.prod.itd.earthlink.net>… >Ric, this seems to be your latest trick… when you cannot answer >honestly, you dismiss the words of others as misunderstandings, >and snip them… how manipulative of you… but I have recently >learned, that is your way…

you insult me again… why?… I am not dismissing anything… why don’t you respond to my words?… >I have restored Penny’s words, as they are her feelings, and opinions >on things, and don’t deserve your condescension…

I intended no condescention, so please stop telling me how I feel or what I mean… why are you doing this?… Penny’s words are in her post… you feel the need to re-post, that is your right… casting aspirsions on and doubts on me and my character and my efforts is your right too… this is exactly what I said happens and some people told me it doesn’t… you are wrong, Michael… and speaking for me, putting words or thoughts or intentions into my words that are not there is wrong… please stop looking for a fight and work for peace and support in this newsgroup… honest love, ric

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Hi Justin.. the best laid plans, huh?… I, for one, believe I understand you were pointing at my paranoia and that’s where your parody came in, if I read you right… and that’s a personal reason why I enjoyed it… I appreciate help in just about any form and I respect your directness, always have… what weve got to realize, I think, is everybody gets a bit more defensive than usual at times – call it papranoia or over-defensiveness or just over-sensitivity or whatever, but it happens to all of us… and so I showed some and you helped me see I did and now others are showing some and using your words as a jump off point in theirs… at least that’s how I see it… but the point I’m trying to make to you is I don’t believe you intended to start anything it’s not your fault that others are quoting you and basing their reactions on your words… you did your best to clarify your meaning and I accepted that and the conversation was between you and me… and I appreciate how quickly we we able to resolve our mini-conflict… hoping my attempt to express understanding is understood and helps… you didn’t start the fire <smile?> honest love, ric – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Justin wrote in message … >In article <366F4356.3…@lizdan.demon.co.uk>, l…@lizdan.demon.co.uk >says… >{snip} >> If you were discussed on the forum I honestly cannot remember it. >> I think Justin probably wasn’t expecting to start this paranoia, >> although I can’t speak for him. If it was deliberate I expect he’s >> laughing now. What makes you, or anyone else imagine that we would get >> into talking about people behind their backs fully knowing that they >> could join in and hear what we were saying, or at the least check the >> archives? >> I hope you will answer this but if you don’t I’ll understand as >> previously. >I’m not laughing, just trying to figure out how it turned into what it >did, and waiting for people to realize I’m the one who started it all. If >anyone’s interested, I posted it to point out the existing paranoia and >the contradiction of the original accusation, it was either that or wait >to have my conscription and that of others approved by general consensus. >Obviously it back fired and got out of control. Next time I’ll state >something less influential such as ’suck my…’. Yes, next time, recent >events have shown just how volatile and abrasive this news group can be, >and it does seem to happen quite often. Now that I think about, it seems >to happen every time I come here, and being the individualist that I am, >will probably end up being the next scapegoat. Oh joy, where are my >Oakleys{tired attempt at sarcasm}. >Justin.

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*The only thing even close to a ‘private plot’ I am aware of was the discussion on the ASL web masters forum where it was discussed how Gina, Michael, Penny and Maria should be dealt with.* Okay,I’m curious.Just how do you plan to deal with me?Have I done a great wrong by disagreeing with a FAQ?If I remember right I only wrote the one post saying I did not think there should be one.For that,I need to be dealt with?Or is it because of my friendship with Michael and Gina?I think this last one is a more plausible answer.I am sorry if my friendship with them upsets you.I have kept quiet about what has been going on here because I didn’t want to add to the fracas,but maybe I was wrong about that.Maybe I should have been saying what I was feeling,and I was feeling a lot of hurt.Now it stings even more,knowing you were discussing how to deal with me,*be dealt with* has a very ominous sound to it.So I would like to know what my crime against the state was,because as far as I can see,I have haven’t done a damn thing to tick you off.I am very slow to anger,but right now my boiling point is going up.I will not apologize for my friendship with Michael or Gina,or will I not apologize for my post against a FAQ.All I want to know is why am I all of a sudden being discussed in a forum without my knowledge?Well I can say one thing,at least I am in good company with Michael,Gina and Maria. Penny ———–== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==———- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own

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