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"Life is full of misery, loneliness, and suffering – and it’s all over much too soon." "Is sex dirty? Only if it’s done right."               ~ Woody Allen —

"We are born naked, wet and hungry. From there things get worse" -Unknown — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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A small amount of alcohol while taking bzd’s is not going to harm you. Just be easy on your liver and don’t drink a lot everyday. If you like to drink a lot then my advice to you would be to not drink at all. If you drink very moderately, it may even be beneficial to you. I use to have one or two carefully measured shot glasses of whiskey after work (approx. 2 oz) every day for years and suffered no ill effects. I did not drink anymore than that daily tho….hth Carl – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Now, i know it’s not a good idea to mix these 2 at same time, but the warning bottle only says may increase drowsiness, just increases effect of drug when mixed with drinks. Neither the bottle, nor the pharmacist, nor the doctor tells you the mix could be fatal. I have mixed it more than a few times, more than I should I know, but have never had any problems, other than just feeling more relaxed … Is there any consensus on this ? Is being alarmist legitimate here ? If so, why no stronger warnings ? And, what kind of half-life on these pills. I take Rivotril (Klonopin pretty much every day), and like to have a few days a week, though not necesarily every day, and sometimes, on Friday night, I may have many drinks and just get really relaxed to unwind from boredom, loneliness , stress and anxiety of the week. Please help. I have had anxiety disorder for 20 years or so, need the pills to work, and keep my job, etc… I don’t need to drink, but honest to God, like a weak human being I will readily admit that it does become a very powerful crutch or tool to relax for an anxious person. In fact, alcohol works much better than the pills, just can’t work drunk…. Thanks — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Now, i know it’s not a good idea to mix these 2 at same time, but the warning bottle only says may increase drowsiness, just increases effect of drug when mixed with drinks. Neither the bottle, nor the pharmacist, nor the doctor tells you the mix could be fatal. I have mixed it more than a few times, more than I should I know, but have never had any problems, other than just feeling more relaxed … Is there any consensus on this ? Is being alarmist legitimate here ? If so, why no stronger warnings ? And, what kind of half-life on these pills. I take Rivotril (Klonopin pretty much every day), and like to have a few days a week, though not necesarily every day, and sometimes, on Friday night, I may have many drinks and  just get really relaxed to unwind from boredom, loneliness , stress and anxiety of the week. Please help. I have had anxiety disorder for 20 years or so, need the pills to work, and keep my job, etc… I don’t need to drink, but honest to God, like a weak human being I will readily admit that it does become a very powerful crutch or tool to relax for an anxious person. In fact, alcohol works much better than the pills, just can’t work drunk….

Alcohol also gives "rebound anxiety", so the more you drink today, the more anxiety you will have tomorrow.  Take it from me, a recovering alcoholic, you are better off not mixing the two. Tony — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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Now, i know it’s not a good idea to mix these 2 at same time, but the warning bottle only says may increase drowsiness, just increases effect of drug when mixed with drinks. Neither the bottle, nor the pharmacist, nor the doctor tells you the mix could be fatal. I have mixed it more than a few times, more than I should I know, but have never had any problems, other than just feeling more relaxed … Is there any consensus on this ? Is being alarmist legitimate here ? If so, why no stronger warnings ? And, what kind of half-life on these pills. I take Rivotril (Klonopin pretty much every day), and like to have a few days a week, though not necesarily every day, and sometimes, on Friday night, I may have many drinks and  just get really relaxed to unwind from boredom, loneliness , stress and anxiety of the week. Please help. I have had anxiety disorder for 20 years or so, need the pills to work, and keep my job, etc… I don’t need to drink, but honest to God, like a weak human being I will readily admit that it does become a very powerful crutch or tool to relax for an anxious person. In fact, alcohol works much better than the pills, just can’t work drunk…. Thanks — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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<gently snipped ::And, what kind of half-life on these pills. I take Rivotril (Klonopin pretty ::much every day), and like to have a few days a week, though not necesarily ::every day, and sometimes, on Friday night, I may have many drinks and  just ::get really relaxed to unwind from boredom, loneliness , stress and anxiety ::of the week. It`s obvious from your posts of the last few weeks that you are worried about your drinking. It can be dangerous to mix alcohol with benzos. You take rivotril everyday…… and sometime have ‘many’ drinks. The problem is no one can tell you how many drinks makes it ‘dangerous’ for ‘you’. It`s sort of like playing Russian roulette. Just because there aren`t dire warnings on your pill bottle about mixing benzos and alcohol, doesn`t mean it isn`t potentially dangerous. Google Karen Anne Quinlan. She got really relaxed from mixing alcohol and valium. It was the ‘vegetative’ kind of relaxing for ten years until her death. ::Please help. I have had anxiety disorder for 20 years or so, need the pills ::to work, and keep my job, etc… :: ::I don’t need to drink, but honest to God, like a weak human being I will ::readily admit that it does become a very powerful crutch or tool to relax ::for an anxious person. :: ::In fact, alcohol works much better than the pills, just can’t work drunk…. Are you really sure alcohol works that well? A lot of people get rebound anxiety when the alcohol wears off. That rebound anxiety either gets medicated with rivotril and/or a few more drinks, creating a vicious cycle. Please confide in your doctor about your drinking. If you need to self-medicate with alcohol, then your current med regime is obviously not working for you. I kindly suggest you look into joining AA as well. You are traveling down a dangerous path, one that will only make your life more difficult. I say all of this with great concern for you….. Jackie ~*~When you find yourself the victim of other people’s bitterness, ignorance, smallness or insecurities; remember, things could be worse.  You could be them~*~ — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Now, i know it’s not a good idea to mix these 2 at same time, but the warning bottle only says may increase drowsiness, just increases effect of drug when mixed with drinks. Neither the bottle, nor the pharmacist, nor the doctor tells you the mix could be fatal. I have mixed it more than a few times, more than I should I know, but have never had any problems, other than just feeling more relaxed … Is there any consensus on this ? Is being alarmist legitimate here ? If so, why no stronger warnings ? And, what kind of half-life on these pills. I take Rivotril (Klonopin pretty much every day), and like to have a few days a week, though not necesarily every day, and sometimes, on Friday night, I may have many drinks and  just get really relaxed to unwind from boredom, loneliness , stress and anxiety of the week. Please help. I have had anxiety disorder for 20 years or so, need the pills to work, and keep my job, etc… I don’t need to drink, but honest to God, like a weak human being I will readily admit that it does become a very powerful crutch or tool to relax for an anxious person. In fact, alcohol works much better than the pills, just can’t work drunk…. Thanks —

Last time I mixed Valium and alcohol I had no ill effects.  I felt pretty depressed afterwards but alcohol makes me that way all by itself.  I guess it’s YMMV. — _TJ_ <TJ_IREL at YAHOO dot IE — The charter is available at: http://readystump.algebra.com/~asapm

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I started my new job this week.  Overall, it’s been a stressful experience.  There’s a ton of stuff to learn, and I have extreme doubts about my ability to catch up in a reasonable amount of time.  I’m getting the impression that the job was intended for someone who has twice as much experience as I do; perhaps they overestimate me?  I might have oversold myself on the job interview.  I’m scrambling to catch up but it’s not going well. Also, it’s a start-up, so they work insane hours (9am-9pm is not uncommon). On the plus side, the work stuff is so stressful that I have very little time for depressing thoughts about shyness, love-shyness, loneliness, and so forth.

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Antares wrote: > I started my new job this week.  Overall, it’s been a stressful > experience.  There’s a ton of stuff to learn, and I have extreme > doubts about my ability to catch up in a reasonable amount of time. > I’m getting the impression that the job was intended for someone who > has twice as much experience as I do; perhaps they overestimate me?  I > might have oversold myself on the job interview.  I’m scrambling to > catch up but it’s not going well. > Also, it’s a start-up, so they work insane hours (9am-9pm is not > uncommon). > On the plus side, the work stuff is so stressful that I have very > little time for depressing thoughts about shyness, love-shyness, > loneliness, and so forth.

I know it’s not going to help to say "stop stressing" but I’m gonna say it anyway. I”ll bet that within the month (if not within a day) you’re back here posting about how you don’t know what you were so anxious about (or you never even mention it again). ‘grats on the job an’ all. Some people might not have had the balls to carry it off like you apparently did. Do you ever stop to appreciate what you are capable of? – Michaela

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Antares wrote: > I started my new job this week.  Overall, it’s been a stressful > experience.  There’s a ton of stuff to learn, and I have extreme > doubts about my ability to catch up in a reasonable amount of time. > I’m getting the impression that the job was intended for someone who > has twice as much experience as I do; perhaps they overestimate me?  I > might have oversold myself on the job interview.  I’m scrambling to > catch up but it’s not going well. > Also, it’s a start-up, so they work insane hours (9am-9pm is not > uncommon). > On the plus side, the work stuff is so stressful that I have very > little time for depressing thoughts about shyness, love-shyness, > loneliness, and so forth.

congratulations on your new job. I’m sure you will do well once you get settled in. —

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Antares wrote: > I started my new job this week.  Overall, it’s been a stressful > experience.  There’s a ton of stuff to learn, and I have extreme doubts > about my ability to catch up in a reasonable amount of time.  I’m > getting the impression that the job was intended for someone who has > twice as much experience as I do; perhaps they overestimate me?  I > might have oversold myself on the job interview.  I’m scrambling to > catch up but it’s not going well. > Also, it’s a start-up, so they work insane hours (9am-9pm is not > uncommon). > On the plus side, the work stuff is so stressful that I have very > little time for depressing thoughts about shyness, love-shyness, > loneliness, and so forth.

Congratulations on the job.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Michaela wrote: > Antares wrote: > > I started my new job this week.  Overall, it’s been a stressful > > experience.  There’s a ton of stuff to learn, and I have extreme > > doubts about my ability to catch up in a reasonable amount of time. > > I’m getting the impression that the job was intended for someone who > > has twice as much experience as I do; perhaps they overestimate me?  I > > might have oversold myself on the job interview.  I’m scrambling to > > catch up but it’s not going well. > > Also, it’s a start-up, so they work insane hours (9am-9pm is not > > uncommon). > > On the plus side, the work stuff is so stressful that I have very > > little time for depressing thoughts about shyness, love-shyness, > > loneliness, and so forth. > I know it’s not going to help to say "stop stressing" but I’m gonna > say it anyway.

Yeah, I’m trying.  It’s a pretty stressful situation, though.  I’m going to have to work weekends for the foreseeable future. > I”ll bet that within the month (if not within a day) you’re back > here posting about how you don’t know what you were so anxious > about (or you never even mention it again).

Hopefully.  Thanks for the vote of confidence. > ‘grats on the job an’ all. Some people might not have had the balls > to carry it off like you apparently did. > Do you ever stop to appreciate what you are capable of?

Getting a job seems pretty basic to me.  It’s something like the minimum requirement for self-esteem (for a single person, anyway).  As such, I don’t really see it as an extraordinary achievement.

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Visi Caulk Mah Pnats wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Antares wrote: > > I started my new job this week.  Overall, it’s been a stressful > > experience.  There’s a ton of stuff to learn, and I have extreme > > doubts about my ability to catch up in a reasonable amount of time. > > I’m getting the impression that the job was intended for someone who > > has twice as much experience as I do; perhaps they overestimate me?  I > > might have oversold myself on the job interview.  I’m scrambling to > > catch up but it’s not going well. > > Also, it’s a start-up, so they work insane hours (9am-9pm is not > > uncommon). > > On the plus side, the work stuff is so stressful that I have very > > little time for depressing thoughts about shyness, love-shyness, > > loneliness, and so forth. > congratulations on your new job. > I’m sure you will do well once you get settled in.

Thanks.

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"Antares" <antaresonwhe…@gmail.com> wrote in news:1129973024.916821.11300 @g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: > I started my new job this week.  Overall, it’s been a stressful > experience.  There’s a ton of stuff to learn, and I have extreme doubts > about my ability to catch up in a reasonable amount of time.  I’m > getting the impression that the job was intended for someone who has > twice as much experience as I do; perhaps they overestimate me?  I > might have oversold myself on the job interview.  I’m scrambling to > catch up but it’s not going well. > Also, it’s a start-up, so they work insane hours (9am-9pm is not > uncommon). > On the plus side, the work stuff is so stressful that I have very > little time for depressing thoughts about shyness, love-shyness, > loneliness, and so forth.

The first few weeks in any new position of responsibility feel that way to me.  Best advice I can give is to check your ego at the door and don’t be afraid to ask lots of "stupid questions" and be caught making mistakes.

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Antares wrote: > Michaela wrote: >> Do you ever stop to appreciate what you are capable of? > Getting a job seems pretty basic to me.  It’s something like the > minimum requirement for self-esteem (for a single person, anyway).

I dunno. Mebbe even for a married person.   As > such, I don’t really see it as an extraordinary achievement.

You truly don’t realise that there are millions and millions of people out there who’d be drooling at the opportunities and skills you’ve got? You’ve never considered that another person with great dating skills might take those skills for granted but never have the courage to do what you’ve just done? You seem to have taken this new job thing so easily. For some it’d be a traumatic change. – Michaela

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Michaela wrote: > Antares wrote: > > Michaela wrote: > >> Do you ever stop to appreciate what you are capable of? > > Getting a job seems pretty basic to me.  It’s something like the > > minimum requirement for self-esteem (for a single person, anyway).

[snip] > You truly don’t realise that there are millions and millions of > people out there who’d be drooling at the opportunities and > skills you’ve got?

Sure, I realize it.  It’s just that I’m not a big happiness relativist.  Many of the people who drool over my job are probably happier than I am.  As the Mambo Master pointed out a while ago, our brains are built in such a way that we become accustomed to virtually every situation after a while. > You’ve never considered that another person with great dating > skills might take those skills for granted but never have the > courage to do what you’ve just done?

It’s not really courage.  I was raised in a middle class family, went to college, went to grad school, got a job.  A relatively painless route.  If I’d had to work my way up from being a McDonald’s cashier, say, that would have entailed genuine courage.  That’s why I admire people who are self-made: they’ve had to work their way up from nothing. > You seem to have taken this new job thing so easily. For some > it’d be a traumatic change.

To some extent, it was.  It’s no picnic having to move.  But that trauma has been overshadowed by the stress of not knowing whether I’d be able to get through the first 1-2 months without being fired. Anyway, in response to your overall point – yes, I could probably stand to be more appreciative of my situation, and I probably will, when (or rather if) my stress levels diminish.  Then I’ll be back on a.s.s whining about not having a girlfriend.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Antares wrote: > Michaela wrote: > > Antares wrote: > > > Michaela wrote: > > >> Do you ever stop to appreciate what you are capable of? > > > Getting a job seems pretty basic to me.  It’s something like the > > > minimum requirement for self-esteem (for a single person, anyway). > [snip] > > You truly don’t realise that there are millions and millions of > > people out there who’d be drooling at the opportunities and > > skills you’ve got? > Sure, I realize it.  It’s just that I’m not a big happiness > relativist.   Many of the people who drool over my job are probably > happier than I am.  As the Mambo Master pointed out a while ago, our > brains are built in such a way that we become accustomed to virtually > every situation after a while.

yeah I wonder about that too. I am accustomed to the line of work I do but people remind me that it really is a dream for a lot of people that I am living. > > You’ve never considered that another person with great dating > > skills might take those skills for granted but never have the > > courage to do what you’ve just done? > It’s not really courage.  I was raised in a middle class family, went > to college, went to grad school, got a job.  A relatively painless > route.  If I’d had to work my way up from being a McDonald’s cashier, > say, that would have entailed genuine courage.  That’s why I admire > people who are self-made: they’ve had to work their way up from > nothing.

you didn’t have to work for your education? > > You seem to have taken this new job thing so easily. For some > > it’d be a traumatic change. > To some extent, it was.  It’s no picnic having to move.  But that > trauma has been overshadowed by the stress of not knowing whether I’d > be able to get through the first 1-2 months without being fired.

yes, I feel like that too on every job! > Anyway, in response to your overall point – yes, I could probably > stand to be more appreciative of my situation, and I probably will, > when (or rather if) my stress levels diminish.  Then I’ll be back on > a.s.s whining about not having a girlfriend.

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"Antares" <antaresonwhe…@gmail.com> wrote in news:1130100586.273909.204840@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: > That’s why I admire > people who are self-made: they’ve had to work their way up from > nothing.

In a way I’ve come to admire people like Eisenhower, who although not really very interesting people, are able to ‘get things done’. — As for the pastor, after four days of listening to science experts dismantling the case for intelligent design, he was unimpressed.  "They’re babblers," said the pastor, the Rev. Jim Grove, who leads a 40-member independent Baptist church outside of Dover. "The more Ph.D.’s you get, it seems like the further away from God you get."  (NY Times, 10-2-05)

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Mad Mambo Master of Macedonia wrote: > "Antares" <antaresonwhe…@gmail.com> wrote in > news:1130100586.273909.204840@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: > > That’s why I admire > > people who are self-made: they’ve had to work their way up from > > nothing. > In a way I’ve come to admire people like Eisenhower, who although not > really very interesting people, are able to ‘get things done’.

I imagine that’d be a plus after being in an environment full of incompetent assholes who do nothing but talk all day.  Not that that’s necessarily where you’re coming from.

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Antares wrote: > Also, it’s a start-up, so they work insane hours (9am-9pm is not > uncommon). > On the plus side, the work stuff is so stressful that I have very > little time for depressing thoughts about shyness, love-shyness, > loneliness, and so forth.

I’d say throw yourself into the job. And by this, I mean, engulf your free time with nothing but work related material. It sounds like you are in a pivotal point in your life where you are short on hobbies, and long on needs to fill voids in your life. I don’t know what line of work you are in and you are working crazy hours, but do as much as you can outside of work to catch up with the others. Wind down every night with 2 to 3 hours of reflection on what transpired during the day or use that time to get an edge on material that will be covered the next day. And while comparing yourself to others as some kind of litmus test is inevitable in this situation, try not to dwell on it too much. Don’t just strive to be average or to simply avoid being looked upon as the slowest. Concentrate on what you need to know to get your job done and accept that your learn at a different pace than others.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Antares wrote: > I started my new job this week.  Overall, it’s been a stressful > experience.  There’s a ton of stuff to learn, and I have extreme doubts > about my ability to catch up in a reasonable amount of time.  I’m > getting the impression that the job was intended for someone who has > twice as much experience as I do; perhaps they overestimate me?  I > might have oversold myself on the job interview.  I’m scrambling to > catch up but it’s not going well. > Also, it’s a start-up, so they work insane hours (9am-9pm is not > uncommon). > On the plus side, the work stuff is so stressful that I have very > little time for depressing thoughts about shyness, love-shyness, > loneliness, and so forth.

Wooo! That sounds awesome. — Operated by a naked and petrified Natalie Portman with hot grits stuffed down her panties. (-August Pamplona, 2005) —— http://sinmonkey.com/assgallery/

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Dolores wrote: > Antares wrote: > > I started my new job this week.  Overall, it’s been a stressful > > experience.  There’s a ton of stuff to learn, and I have extreme doubts > > about my ability to catch up in a reasonable amount of time.  I’m > > getting the impression that the job was intended for someone who has > > twice as much experience as I do; perhaps they overestimate me?  I > > might have oversold myself on the job interview.  I’m scrambling to > > catch up but it’s not going well. > > Also, it’s a start-up, so they work insane hours (9am-9pm is not > > uncommon). > > On the plus side, the work stuff is so stressful that I have very > > little time for depressing thoughts about shyness, love-shyness, > > loneliness, and so forth. > Wooo! That sounds awesome.

Yup.  Desensitization due to slavery really rocks.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Antares wrote: > Dolores wrote: >>Antares wrote: >>>I started my new job this week.  Overall, it’s been a stressful >>>experience.  There’s a ton of stuff to learn, and I have extreme doubts >>>about my ability to catch up in a reasonable amount of time.  I’m >>>getting the impression that the job was intended for someone who has >>>twice as much experience as I do; perhaps they overestimate me?  I >>>might have oversold myself on the job interview.  I’m scrambling to >>>catch up but it’s not going well. >>>Also, it’s a start-up, so they work insane hours (9am-9pm is not >>>uncommon). >>>On the plus side, the work stuff is so stressful that I have very >>>little time for depressing thoughts about shyness, love-shyness, >>>loneliness, and so forth. >>Wooo! That sounds awesome. > Yup.  Desensitization due to slavery really rocks.

Stressful experiences make you stronger (or insane), and having a job that pushes you to improve yourself also makes you stronger, and having a job at all is a Good Thing. —      why? Morals is about having the right to do everything you’re strong enough to do, or not.  – Frank, french philosophy student

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Dolores wrote: > Antares wrote: > > Dolores wrote: > >>Antares wrote: > >>>I started my new job this week.  Overall, it’s been a stressful > >>>experience.  There’s a ton of stuff to learn, and I have extreme doubts > >>>about my ability to catch up in a reasonable amount of time.  I’m > >>>getting the impression that the job was intended for someone who has > >>>twice as much experience as I do; perhaps they overestimate me?  I > >>>might have oversold myself on the job interview.  I’m scrambling to > >>>catch up but it’s not going well. > >>>Also, it’s a start-up, so they work insane hours (9am-9pm is not > >>>uncommon). > >>>On the plus side, the work stuff is so stressful that I have very > >>>little time for depressing thoughts about shyness, love-shyness, > >>>loneliness, and so forth. > >>Wooo! That sounds awesome. > > Yup.  Desensitization due to slavery really rocks. > Stressful experiences make you stronger (or insane) and having a job > that pushes you to improve yourself also makes you stronger, and having > a job at all is a Good Thing.

"Gosh, you’re an upbeat lady!" –Bill Murray, Groundhog Day

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Antares wrote: > Dolores wrote: >>Antares wrote: >>>Dolores wrote: >>>>Antares wrote: >>>>>I started my new job this week.  Overall, it’s been a stressful >>>>>experience.  There’s a ton of stuff to learn, and I have extreme doubts >>>>>about my ability to catch up in a reasonable amount of time.  I’m >>>>>getting the impression that the job was intended for someone who has >>>>>twice as much experience as I do; perhaps they overestimate me?  I >>>>>might have oversold myself on the job interview.  I’m scrambling to >>>>>catch up but it’s not going well. >>>>>Also, it’s a start-up, so they work insane hours (9am-9pm is not >>>>>uncommon). >>>>>On the plus side, the work stuff is so stressful that I have very >>>>>little time for depressing thoughts about shyness, love-shyness, >>>>>loneliness, and so forth. >>>>Wooo! That sounds awesome. >>>Yup.  Desensitization due to slavery really rocks. >>Stressful experiences make you stronger (or insane) and having a job >>that pushes you to improve yourself also makes you stronger, and having >>a job at all is a Good Thing. > "Gosh, you’re an upbeat lady!" > –Bill Murray, Groundhog Day

hahahaha! Or else insane. —      why? Morals is about having the right to do everything you’re strong enough to do, or not.  – Frank, french philosophy student

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In article <djaisv$cg…@theodyn.ncf.ca>, bc…@FreeNet.Carleton.CA says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->"Michaela Mackenzie" (michaelamackenzie05072…@yahoo.com) writes: >> OTS >>> Last night I dreamt that the sky went strange, and then it cleared up, and >>> then someone wisely said "It isn’t the end of the world, but time’s just >>> come to an end.". >>> It was curious, because, in the terms of this dream, you could still go down >>> the pub, or have a walk in the park, only, no-one, I mean No-One cared what >>> happened anymore. Humanity wasn’t being watched. We weren’t on telly any >>> more. >> You had me up til here… >> – Michaela >Don’t look now, but you are in a time loop: this was posted three >consecutive times… >Hm. Din see if the time stamp was the same…. >Mppft, would be funny if it was going backwards;-)

Time will stop, when there’s absolutely no activity, no motion of any sort anywhere. No molecules moving… etc Harvey

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"paneon" (paneon@sdf_dot_lonestar.org) writes: >>> OTS >>>> Last night I dreamt that the sky went strange, and then it cleared up, >>>> and >>>> then someone wisely said "It isn’t the end of the world, but time’s just >>>> come to an end.". >>>> It was curious, because, in the terms of this dream, you could still go >>>> down >>>> the pub, or have a walk in the park, only, no-one, I mean No-One cared >>>> what >>>> happened anymore. Humanity wasn’t being watched. We weren’t on telly any >>>> more. >>> You had me up til here… >>> – Michaela >> Don’t look now, but you are in a time loop: this was posted three >> consecutive times… >> Hm. Din see if the time stamp was the same…. >> Mppft, would be funny if it was going backwards;-) > It’d be scary it was counting down…

Is it not…?;-) Talking about scary things, with halloween coming… Today, I thought of the sickest maddest most awful halloween prank of them all. It happened because some window washers busy working on the side of a sky scraper were using hot water on a cold day. It made so much steam and vapour that  forst thought it was smoke as in "fire" on some floor of the building next to ours where the smoke would be escaping through windows…. But then I saw a shape if I could not make out the shape of what with the really think vapor and smoke "extending outode the building" and I could not help but think of how it all was reminescent of a 9-11 scene…. I even wodnered f it was some kind of sick prank until I finally figured out what it was. Bt imagine that? Someone doing a fake plane tail to let oput of the building windows (or pretending tht it sticks out from the windows/floor), and then a while lot of smoke coming from the plane tail??? Am I sick or what….(please do NOT answer that…….I try and be positive LOL:)) > (-paneon)

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>> Last night I dreamt that the sky went strange, and then it cleared up, >>> and >>> then someone wisely said "It isn’t the end of the world, but time’s just >>> come to an end.". >>> It was curious, because, in the terms of this dream, you could still go >>> down >>> the pub, or have a walk in the park, only, no-one, I mean No-One cared >>> what >>> happened anymore. Humanity wasn’t being watched. We weren’t on telly any >>> more. That’s what it means for time to come to an end. In that dream. >>> In other gnews, there’s nothing in the Standard Model to prevent >>> spacetime >>> coming up unexpectedly against a sharp boundary. One man’s singularity >>> is >>> another man’s subject of a thesis. >>> Am I making sense? Yes, I’d like another slice of Otter Crumble, please. >>> OTS >> Well – I’m currently occupying that spiritual wasteland known as "Sitting >> in >> a university computer lab on a Friday night" (TM) and the feeling of >> timelessness is slightly overwhelming. >> I can see a clock on the computer screen – but does the time actually >> mean >> anything to me? (Not really, now I think of it…) >> The difference between 3am and 12pm in this place is largely a matter of >> population density. There’s a world moving along outside – but you’d >> never >> know it if you didn’t spend the necessary 5 minutes to find your way out >> of >> this Escherian nightmare of lab-rat laboratories. >> (-paneon) > So you also work late hours, Pan? > (Like Cemrav mentioned also) > I guess that after a while oen forgets which came forst, loneliness or > overtime….where after a while both get interelated, most likely. > Both each other;s cause and consequence.

Overtime is like putty – it’s sticky and it fills up the gaps in your life. > Maybe that is what a-time is: cause and consequences are one same thing, > no longer differenciated in time measure. > Odd how you mention the life outsode foing on…That woudl eman that space > rmeains if you take time out, which of course can not REALLY be… > And that then time hads become for you a spatial thing. > Have you checked your mass lately??L:) > ;-)

I try not to – I’m afraid that my body-shape is turning into that of E.T. (-paneon)

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In article <8Iw7f.11764$6i4.4…@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net>, noth…@omegapoint.com says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->The telly bit is an allegory. If we aren’t being watched, "cared" about by a >largely disinterested audience, or a vainly prayed to deity, we think we’ll >suddenly stop existing. Fact is, there’ll still be wasps trying to climb >inside my wineglass. >OTS ><Michaela> wrote in message news:842dndp-xpyaIsbeRVn-hw@is.co.za… >> Ollie Sandcastle wrote: >> > As to the end of time thread above, it is just a feeling from a >> > dream. It might be important, or it might be utter nonsense. >> What’d it mean to you? It made kinda sense to me except for >> the telly bit. I mean. Imagine no telly. That’s really stupid. If you >> tell someone else about that dream perhaps you can leave that bit >> out? >> – Michaela

You can convince yourself of ‘anything’ if you really want to. Millions of ‘believers’ believe in this or that religion – and if you really look at what they believe – it simply isn’t as true as they claim it to be. Such is the human imagination – it can be utilized towards insiduous ends. You can if you wish to, convince yourself ‘life’ is but a dream, only problem is, you keep on waking up to this same old life, and you have a collective memory of previous days waking up again to this same old life, that gets added to, day by day. Only your memory tells you, it is not a dream – it is ‘real’, as long as you are conscious and breathing. Harvey

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The telly bit is an allegory. If we aren’t being watched, "cared" about by a largely disinterested audience, or a vainly prayed to deity, we think we’ll suddenly stop existing. Fact is, there’ll still be wasps trying to climb inside my wineglass. OTS – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<Michaela> wrote in message news:842dndp-xpyaIsbeRVn-hw@is.co.za… > Ollie Sandcastle wrote: > > As to the end of time thread above, it is just a feeling from a > > dream. It might be important, or it might be utter nonsense. > What’d it mean to you? It made kinda sense to me except for > the telly bit. I mean. Imagine no telly. That’s really stupid. If you > tell someone else about that dream perhaps you can leave that bit > out? > – Michaela

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"Ollie Sandcastle" <noth…@omegapoint.com> in news:LaT5f.3227$S_1.868@newsfe5-win.ntli.net: > What happens when time stops?

sorry.. i can’t tell you, because i can’t recall what happened the last time time stopped… — "Every time a lightbulb breaks, a little argon gets it’s wings."

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Ollie Sandcastle wrote: > As to the end of time thread above, it is just a feeling from a > dream. It might be important, or it might be utter nonsense.

What’d it mean to you? It made kinda sense to me except for the telly bit. I mean. Imagine no telly. That’s really stupid. If you tell someone else about that dream perhaps you can leave that bit out? – Michaela

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Sklenge wrote: >>>>> It’s just gone noon here at this end… "time is an illusion, >>>>> lunchtime doubly so". I wish I could put the clock back to 15 >>>>> minutes ago and relive the decision to make a toasted cheese and >>>>> quorn >>>> wassat? >>> quorn? >>> I think it’s some kind of fungus that they’ve discovered that can be >>> grown into specific forms and has the texture of meat fibres. So >>> quorn is your vegetarian equivalent to [in that case] bacon. >> For a split second I thought I saw the word "vulva" there. >> What would Freud say? > Which bit did you read as vulva?

Does everyone read by noticing patterns or unusual letters, thereby reducing the amount of time it takes to read? Cos that’s how I got it from "vegetarian equivalent" >>> but you can also get it in lamb, chicken, ham, beef, turkey, burger, >>> sausage etc form. >> Great. Well done, Emma. I’m such a fussy eater as it is. >> [To the crowd. I have resorted to blaming Emma for my every >> fault/problem/hitch. Such a relief.] > Tha’s okay, I can take it… I have my security blanket and… and… > my teddy… hang on… where’s my teddy? [runs off whimpering > incoherently]

I’m a mess since I met you. >> And to Emma, something I forgot to say in an e-mail: yes, I am a >> fraud. > Tha’s a relief [teddy found]. So am I. As Mr. Darkfalz would have > it… "two hypocritical bitches" wasn’t it? See, memory like Memorex > – is it live or is it evil?

I am vile. – Michaela I found this in apt and haven’t found a place to drop it off yet. The Old Man (Lao-zi) advocates the dropping of knowledge and learning in stark sayings. "Doing away with learning, one does not worry" (20). "When one studies, one’s learning benefits daily; but when one practices the Way, one whittles down [learning and knowledge] daily, and after whittling [them] down, one whittles [them] down some more, until one gets to not-doing" (48). "Eradicate saintliness, forsake knowing" (19). It is in this radical spirit of forsaking knowledge and learning that we attain to non-doing (wu-wei, bu-zuo, wu-xing, an-abhisamskara). This is the perspective from nowhere, which does not stop at anything and does not stand on anything. It so to speak floats above all things, is free of them and leaves room for our basal feeling of calm, peace, serenity, grace, which comes to us for free when we stop our mentation, in other words drop our knowledge and learning. Strangely it also redeems our knowledge and learning, because it puts them in perspective, the right perspective. From its perspective our knowledge and learning become transparent and not opaque. There is no conflict. All swims in harmony.

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>>>> It’s just gone noon here at this end… "time is an illusion, >>>> lunchtime doubly so". I wish I could put the clock back to 15 >>>> minutes ago and relive the decision to make a toasted cheese and >>>> quorn >>> wassat? >> quorn? >> I think it’s some kind of fungus that they’ve discovered that can be >> grown into specific forms and has the texture of meat fibres. So >> quorn is your vegetarian equivalent to [in that case] bacon. > For a split second I thought I saw the word "vulva" there. > What would Freud say?

Which bit did you read as vulva? >> but you can also get it in lamb, chicken, ham, beef, turkey, burger, >> sausage etc form. > Great. Well done, Emma. I’m such a fussy eater as it is. > [To the crowd. I have resorted to blaming Emma for my every > fault/problem/hitch. Such a relief.]

Tha’s okay, I can take it… I have my security blanket and… and… my teddy… hang on… where’s my teddy? [runs off whimpering incoherently] > And to Emma, something I forgot to say in an e-mail: yes, I am a > fraud.

Tha’s a relief [teddy found]. So am I. As Mr. Darkfalz would have it… "two hypocritical bitches" wasn’t it? See, memory like Memorex – is it live or is it evil? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> Hey, I just found a load of hidden posts! > – Michaela

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Michaela wrote: > Sklenge wrote: >>It’s just gone noon here at this end… "time is an illusion, >>lunchtime doubly so". I wish I could put the clock back to 15 minutes >>ago and relive the decision to make a toasted cheese and quorn > wassat?

quorn? I think it’s some kind of fungus that they’ve discovered that can be grown into specific forms and has the texture of meat fibres. So quorn is your vegetarian equivalent to [in that case] bacon. but you can also get it in lamb, chicken, ham, beef, turkey, burger, sausage etc form. Hey, I just found a load of hidden posts!

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -sklenge wrote: > Michaela wrote: >> Sklenge wrote: >>> It’s just gone noon here at this end… "time is an illusion, >>> lunchtime doubly so". I wish I could put the clock back to 15 >>> minutes ago and relive the decision to make a toasted cheese and >>> quorn >> wassat? > quorn? > I think it’s some kind of fungus that they’ve discovered that can be > grown into specific forms and has the texture of meat fibres. So > quorn is your vegetarian equivalent to [in that case] bacon.

For a split second I thought I saw the word "vulva" there. What would Freud say? > but you can also get it in lamb, chicken, ham, beef, turkey, burger, > sausage etc form.

Great. Well done, Emma. I’m such a fussy eater as it is. [To the crowd. I have resorted to blaming Emma for my every fault/problem/hitch. Such a relief.] And to Emma, something I forgot to say in an e-mail: yes, I am a fraud. > Hey, I just found a load of hidden posts!

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"They" say that molecules will stop moving when absolute zero, 0 Kelvin, is attained. Quantum theory appears to prevent this absolute minimum from accurring, however. It isn’t so strange, after all: how much worse can reality television get, and the answer is, there’ll always be a new nadir of disgust. As to the end of time thread above, it is just a feeling from a dream. It might be important, or it might be utter nonsense. However, even utter nonsense is an idea. One of the stranger things about being alive is how the dog’s breakfast is full of ideas, and most of the time, one is entranced by concepts, but one cannot positively recall if this or that was part of a dream. But, if That or Those who make it Their business to dream us up, choose to find another occupation, then, I think we probably can independently exist despite their boredom. I got the feeling that the kids won’t notice it, for at least a while, but we will. OTS "Your Name Here=Harvey" <k…@ing.notin.aus> wrote in message news:djblfg$q68$2@lust.ihug.co.nz… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> In article <djaisv$cg…@theodyn.ncf.ca>, bc…@FreeNet.Carleton.CA says… > >"Michaela Mackenzie" (michaelamackenzie05072…@yahoo.com) writes: > >> OTS > >>> Last night I dreamt that the sky went strange, and then it cleared up, and > >>> then someone wisely said "It isn’t the end of the world, but time’s just > >>> come to an end.". > >>> It was curious, because, in the terms of this dream, you could still go > down > >>> the pub, or have a walk in the park, only, no-one, I mean No-One cared > what > >>> happened anymore. Humanity wasn’t being watched. We weren’t on telly any > >>> more. > >> You had me up til here… > >> – Michaela > >Don’t look now, but you are in a time loop: this was posted three > >consecutive times… > >Hm. Din see if the time stamp was the same…. > >Mppft, would be funny if it was going backwards;-) > Time will stop, when there’s absolutely no activity, no motion of > any sort anywhere. > No molecules moving… etc > Harvey

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Sklenge wrote: > It’s just gone noon here at this end… "time is an illusion, > lunchtime doubly so". I wish I could put the clock back to 15 minutes > ago and relive the decision to make a toasted cheese and quorn

wassat? > sandwich, given the option I’d just go with the coffee. I like that > joke at the end of "Hitch Hiker’s" btw… "Noooo! The restaurant’s at > the /other/ end of the universe!"

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"paneon" (paneon@sdf_dot_lonestar.org) writes: >>>> Last night I dreamt that the sky went strange, and then it cleared up, >>>> and >>>> then someone wisely said "It isn’t the end of the world, but time’s just >>>> come to an end.". >>>> It was curious, because, in the terms of this dream, you could still go >>>> down >>>> the pub, or have a walk in the park, only, no-one, I mean No-One cared >>>> what >>>> happened anymore. Humanity wasn’t being watched. We weren’t on telly any >>>> more. That’s what it means for time to come to an end. In that dream. >>>> In other gnews, there’s nothing in the Standard Model to prevent >>>> spacetime >>>> coming up unexpectedly against a sharp boundary. One man’s singularity >>>> is >>>> another man’s subject of a thesis. >>>> Am I making sense? Yes, I’d like another slice of Otter Crumble, please. >>>> OTS >>> Well – I’m currently occupying that spiritual wasteland known as "Sitting >>> in >>> a university computer lab on a Friday night" (TM) and the feeling of >>> timelessness is slightly overwhelming. >>> I can see a clock on the computer screen – but does the time actually >>> mean >>> anything to me? (Not really, now I think of it…) >>> The difference between 3am and 12pm in this place is largely a matter of >>> population density. There’s a world moving along outside – but you’d >>> never >>> know it if you didn’t spend the necessary 5 minutes to find your way out >>> of >>> this Escherian nightmare of lab-rat laboratories. >>> (-paneon) >> So you also work late hours, Pan? >> (Like Cemrav mentioned also) >> I guess that after a while oen forgets which came forst, loneliness or >> overtime….where after a while both get interelated, most likely. >> Both each other;s cause and consequence. > Overtime is like putty – it’s sticky and it fills up the gaps in your life.

Lots of people that have a family and everything else that many in here dream of still want to do overtime…. To be away from it all. So OT can be escapism in more than one way, I guess… >> Maybe that is what a-time is: cause and consequences are one same thing, >> no longer differenciated in time measure. >> Odd how you mention the life outsode foing on…That woudl eman that space >> rmeains if you take time out, which of course can not REALLY be… >> And that then time hads become for you a spatial thing. >> Have you checked your mass lately??L:) >> ;-) > I try not to – I’m afraid that my body-shape is turning into that of E.T.

I hope yo run faster than Harvey then!;-);-) (He is fascinated with ETs) So long as you don’t turn the same greyish green color….There still is hope with such great big eyes to find a catch this weekend:):) Which remidns me of the ET and Earthling science weekend joke. A martian couple lands by a farmer’s house. They tell the farmer and his wife that they were sent for a special exchange weekend, where the female martian is ready to ahve sex with the farmer, and the male martian is ready to ahve sex with the farmer’s wife, if that is okay with them, "in the name of science". The old farmer looks at the female martian and is all for it. She is rather shapely. So he asks his wife if that woudl be okay with her. She looks at the ale martian and finds him just the perfect greyish-green color;-), and so she tells her hubby the farmer that well…If it is in the name of science…She is all for it. So the female earthling and the male martian leave for a motel while the farmer and the female martian stay at the farm, for a scientific weekend sex time. At the motel, the female earthling is laughing till she can not breath, seing the martian naked. -It’s so short, how am I supposed to do anythign with…that? Hahaha! -Oh, you just have to pull on my right ear to make ti grow to the lenght you want… So she tries and sure enough, she can make it so the lenght is her Life Ideal. But she laughs again saying it is so thin, no it looks like a spaghetti. So he says she only has to pull on the other ear to make it the woidth she wants. After a few adjustements and experiments in the name of science, always;-), she ends up havign the wekend of her lifetim, and is rather sad to have to go home… But as they head back to the farm that Sunday evening she wodners how her hubby foudn the martian and if he will be there or have taken off in their spaceship! They finally arrive at the farm…The hubby is there with the martian female. They all kiss good bye and the martian couple gets in their spaceship and leaves. Curious, the farmer asks his 3wife: -So, hum…How was it maw…? -Oh, she says downplaying it a bit, it was..okay. -It was..okay? -I reckon it was…okay…But how about you, paw? -Ah missed yer. -Yer missed me??? -Yah. Thatd anr martian creature she was not much good in the sack, I tell ya… -She was …not? -Nah. In fact she did not look like she cared for sex at all…. -What do you eman? -Well, she spent the entire weekend just pulling on my ears… > (-paneon)

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Ollie Sandcastle on 20/10/2005 8:33 pm wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Last night I dreamt that the sky went strange, and then it cleared up, and > then someone wisely said "It isn’t the end of the world, but time’s just > come to an end.". > It was curious, because, in the terms of this dream, you could still go down > the pub, or have a walk in the park, only, no-one, I mean No-One cared what > happened anymore. Humanity wasn’t being watched. We weren’t on telly any > more. That’s what it means for time to come to an end. In that dream. > In other gnews, there’s nothing in the Standard Model to prevent spacetime > coming up unexpectedly against a sharp boundary. One man’s singularity is > another man’s subject of a thesis. > Am I making sense? Yes, I’d like another slice of Otter Crumble, please. > OTS

Would you like ketchup or brahn sauce on that?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Last night I dreamt that the sky went strange, and then it cleared up, and > then someone wisely said "It isn’t the end of the world, but time’s just > come to an end.". > It was curious, because, in the terms of this dream, you could still go > down > the pub, or have a walk in the park, only, no-one, I mean No-One cared > what > happened anymore. Humanity wasn’t being watched. We weren’t on telly any > more. That’s what it means for time to come to an end. In that dream. > In other gnews, there’s nothing in the Standard Model to prevent spacetime > coming up unexpectedly against a sharp boundary. One man’s singularity is > another man’s subject of a thesis. > Am I making sense? Yes, I’d like another slice of Otter Crumble, please. > OTS

Well – I’m currently occupying that spiritual wasteland known as "Sitting in a university computer lab on a Friday night" (TM) and the feeling of timelessness is slightly overwhelming. I can see a clock on the computer screen – but does the time actually mean anything to me? (Not really, now I think of it…) The difference between 3am and 12pm in this place is largely a matter of population density. There’s a world moving along outside – but you’d never know it if you didn’t spend the necessary 5 minutes to find your way out of this Escherian nightmare of lab-rat laboratories. (-paneon)

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OTS > Last night I dreamt that the sky went strange, and then it cleared up, and > then someone wisely said "It isn’t the end of the world, but time’s just > come to an end.". > It was curious, because, in the terms of this dream, you could still go down > the pub, or have a walk in the park, only, no-one, I mean No-One cared what > happened anymore. Humanity wasn’t being watched. We weren’t on telly any > more.

You had me up til here… – Michaela

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"paneon" (paneon@sdf_dot_lonestar.org) writes: >> Last night I dreamt that the sky went strange, and then it cleared up, and >> then someone wisely said "It isn’t the end of the world, but time’s just >> come to an end.". >> It was curious, because, in the terms of this dream, you could still go >> down >> the pub, or have a walk in the park, only, no-one, I mean No-One cared >> what >> happened anymore. Humanity wasn’t being watched. We weren’t on telly any >> more. That’s what it means for time to come to an end. In that dream. >> In other gnews, there’s nothing in the Standard Model to prevent spacetime >> coming up unexpectedly against a sharp boundary. One man’s singularity is >> another man’s subject of a thesis. >> Am I making sense? Yes, I’d like another slice of Otter Crumble, please. >> OTS > Well – I’m currently occupying that spiritual wasteland known as "Sitting in > a university computer lab on a Friday night" (TM) and the feeling of > timelessness is slightly overwhelming. > I can see a clock on the computer screen – but does the time actually mean > anything to me? (Not really, now I think of it…) > The difference between 3am and 12pm in this place is largely a matter of > population density. There’s a world moving along outside – but you’d never > know it if you didn’t spend the necessary 5 minutes to find your way out of > this Escherian nightmare of lab-rat laboratories. > (-paneon)

So you also work late hours, Pan? (Like Cemrav mentioned also) I guess that after a while oen forgets which came forst, loneliness or overtime….where after a while both get interelated, most likely. Both each other;s cause and consequence. Maybe that is what a-time is: cause and consequences are one same thing, no longer differenciated in time measure. Odd how you mention the life outsode foing on…That woudl eman that space rmeains if you take time out, which of course can not REALLY be… And that then time hads become for you a spatial thing. Have you checked your mass lately??L:) ;-) —

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Escher dreaded going up to bed. OTS "Sklenge" <skle…@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message

news:BF7E8D92.96A2%sklenge@yahoo.co.uk… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> paneon on 21/10/2005 10:44 am wrote: > >> Last night I dreamt that the sky went strange, and then it cleared up, and > >> then someone wisely said "It isn’t the end of the world, but time’s just come > >> to an end.". > >> It was curious, because, in the terms of this dream, you could still go down > >> the pub, or have a walk in the park, only, no-one, I mean No-One cared what > >> happened anymore. Humanity wasn’t being watched. We weren’t on telly any > >> more. That’s what it means for time to come to an end. In that dream. > >> In other gnews, there’s nothing in the Standard Model to prevent spacetime > >> coming up unexpectedly against a sharp boundary. One man’s singularity is > >> another man’s subject of a thesis. > >> Am I making sense? Yes, I’d like another slice of Otter Crumble, please. > >> OTS > > Well – I’m currently occupying that spiritual wasteland known as "Sitting in > > a university computer lab on a Friday night" (TM) and the feeling of > > timelessness is slightly overwhelming. > That reminds me of the Monster Mash song… "I was working in the lab late > one night when my eyes beheld an eeeeerie sight" or summink. > > I can see a clock on the computer screen – but does the time actually mean > > anything to me? (Not really, now I think of it…) > > The difference between 3am and 12pm in this place is largely a matter of > > population density. There’s a world moving along outside – but you’d never > > know it if you didn’t spend the necessary 5 minutes to find your way out of > > this Escherian nightmare of lab-rat laboratories. > I like Escher. > > (-paneon) > It’s just gone noon here at this end… "time is an illusion, lunchtime > doubly so". I wish I could put the clock back to 15 minutes ago and relive > the decision to make a toasted cheese and quorn sandwich, given the option > I’d just go with the coffee. I like that joke at the end of "Hitch Hiker’s" > btw… "Noooo! The restaurant’s at the /other/ end of the universe!"

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> OTS >>> Last night I dreamt that the sky went strange, and then it cleared up, >>> and >>> then someone wisely said "It isn’t the end of the world, but time’s just >>> come to an end.". >>> It was curious, because, in the terms of this dream, you could still go >>> down >>> the pub, or have a walk in the park, only, no-one, I mean No-One cared >>> what >>> happened anymore. Humanity wasn’t being watched. We weren’t on telly any >>> more. >> You had me up til here… >> – Michaela > Don’t look now, but you are in a time loop: this was posted three > consecutive times… > Hm. Din see if the time stamp was the same…. > Mppft, would be funny if it was going backwards;-)

It’d be scary it was counting down… (-paneon)

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"Michaela Mackenzie" (michaelamackenzie05072…@yahoo.com) writes: > OTS >> Last night I dreamt that the sky went strange, and then it cleared up, and >> then someone wisely said "It isn’t the end of the world, but time’s just >> come to an end.". >> It was curious, because, in the terms of this dream, you could still go down >> the pub, or have a walk in the park, only, no-one, I mean No-One cared what >> happened anymore. Humanity wasn’t being watched. We weren’t on telly any >> more. > You had me up til here… > – Michaela

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paneon on 21/10/2005 10:44 am wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> Last night I dreamt that the sky went strange, and then it cleared up, and >> then someone wisely said "It isn’t the end of the world, but time’s just come >> to an end.". >> It was curious, because, in the terms of this dream, you could still go down >> the pub, or have a walk in the park, only, no-one, I mean No-One cared what >> happened anymore. Humanity wasn’t being watched. We weren’t on telly any >> more. That’s what it means for time to come to an end. In that dream. >> In other gnews, there’s nothing in the Standard Model to prevent spacetime >> coming up unexpectedly against a sharp boundary. One man’s singularity is >> another man’s subject of a thesis. >> Am I making sense? Yes, I’d like another slice of Otter Crumble, please. >> OTS > Well – I’m currently occupying that spiritual wasteland known as "Sitting in > a university computer lab on a Friday night" (TM) and the feeling of > timelessness is slightly overwhelming.

That reminds me of the Monster Mash song… "I was working in the lab late one night when my eyes beheld an eeeeerie sight" or summink. > I can see a clock on the computer screen – but does the time actually mean > anything to me? (Not really, now I think of it…) > The difference between 3am and 12pm in this place is largely a matter of > population density. There’s a world moving along outside – but you’d never > know it if you didn’t spend the necessary 5 minutes to find your way out of > this Escherian nightmare of lab-rat laboratories.

I like Escher. > (-paneon)

It’s just gone noon here at this end… "time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so". I wish I could put the clock back to 15 minutes ago and relive the decision to make a toasted cheese and quorn sandwich, given the option I’d just go with the coffee. I like that joke at the end of "Hitch Hiker’s" btw… "Noooo! The restaurant’s at the /other/ end of the universe!"

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Last night I dreamt that the sky went strange, and then it cleared up, and then someone wisely said "It isn’t the end of the world, but time’s just come to an end.". It was curious, because, in the terms of this dream, you could still go down the pub, or have a walk in the park, only, no-one, I mean No-One cared what happened anymore. Humanity wasn’t being watched. We weren’t on telly any more. That’s what it means for time to come to an end. In that dream. In other gnews, there’s nothing in the Standard Model to prevent spacetime coming up unexpectedly against a sharp boundary. One man’s singularity is another man’s subject of a thesis. Am I making sense? Yes, I’d like another slice of Otter Crumble, please. OTS

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One of the girls from last weekend’s canoe trip is also in my psychology course so I made it to class early today with the sole intention of hitting on her. Mission accomplished. I had some good flow going on. Ends up we’re both poets. I told her my work deals with loneliness, desperation and isolation. The mention of isolation hooked her and she asked me to elaborate. Unfortunately class was about to start so I told her we’ll have to discuss it later. Now this girl is a teacher’s pet, the kind who stays after class and peppers the poor instructor with questions regarding lecture. I really want to continue our conversation and ask her out so I linger outside looking at brochures in the hallway, that way she can intercept me on her way out. About five minutes pass and she is still in there so I leave the building because I am afraid I’ll seem like a creepy stalker if I just stand outside the classroom waiting for her. Does anyone else have this paranoid fear, that anything they do will be construed by women as creepy stalker-like behavior?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Rainier wrote: > One of the girls from last weekend’s canoe trip is also in my psychology > course so I made it to class early today with the sole intention of > hitting on her. Mission accomplished. I had some good flow going on. Ends > up we’re both poets. I told her my work deals with loneliness, desperation > and isolation. The mention of isolation hooked her and she asked me to > elaborate. Unfortunately class was about to start so I told her we’ll have > to discuss it later. > Now this girl is a teacher’s pet, the kind who stays after class and > peppers the poor instructor with questions regarding lecture. I really > want to continue our conversation and ask her out so I linger outside > looking at brochures in the hallway, that way she can intercept me on her > way out. > About five minutes pass and she is still in there so I leave the building > because I am afraid I’ll seem like a creepy stalker if I just stand > outside the classroom waiting for her. > Does anyone else have this paranoid fear, that anything they do will be > construed by women as creepy stalker-like behavior?

Not exactly.  I do have a fear if I act too interested in someone in general they’ll be creeped out.  Which is difficult because at first everything new is very interesting, and I’m impatient and want to bite it all off at once. That’s really not a Freudian slip.  Really not.  Nope.

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>Does anyone else have this paranoid fear, that anything they do will be >construed by women as creepy stalker-like behavior?

Sometimes. I can’t see how what you did could be seen as stalker behaviour, unless you wait for her after every class and follow her around like a puppy.

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"Rainier" <rainierba…@hotmail.com> wrote in news:204d21b767ebf2f0c70daa570ab2a7ee@localhost.talkaboutsupport.com: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> One of the girls from last weekend’s canoe trip is also in my > psychology course so I made it to class early today with the sole > intention of hitting on her. Mission accomplished. I had some good > flow going on. Ends up we’re both poets. I told her my work deals with > loneliness, desperation and isolation. The mention of isolation hooked > her and she asked me to elaborate. Unfortunately class was about to > start so I told her we’ll have to discuss it later. > Now this girl is a teacher’s pet, the kind who stays after class and > peppers the poor instructor with questions regarding lecture. I really > want to continue our conversation and ask her out so I linger outside > looking at brochures in the hallway, that way she can intercept me on > her way out. > About five minutes pass and she is still in there so I leave the > building because I am afraid I’ll seem like a creepy stalker if I just > stand outside the classroom waiting for her. > Does anyone else have this paranoid fear, that anything they do will > be construed by women as creepy stalker-like behavior?

Probably would have been stalker-y. Actually, that was probably the pefect situation to ask her out on a date.   Like, "Class is about to start, but how about we meet at such-and-such a place at such-and-such a time and I’ll tell you more about isolation."

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Rainier wrote: > Does anyone else have this paranoid fear, that anything they do will be > construed by women as creepy stalker-like behavior?

Sometimes.  For instance, if it’s getting dark and I’m walking behind a woman on the street, I’ll cross over to the other side of the road.  No sense in creeping her out.

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Antares wrote: > Rainier wrote: > > Does anyone else have this paranoid fear, that anything they do will be > > construed by women as creepy stalker-like behavior? > Sometimes.  For instance, if it’s getting dark and I’m walking behind a > woman on the street, I’ll cross over to the other side of the road.  No > sense in creeping her out.

Incidentally, when I was checking out apartments the other day, one of the ladies asked me for my picture ID, before taking me on the tour. Me: Huh? Girl: I need your picture ID. Me: Umm… just out of curiosity, may I ask why? Girl: State laws require that we ask everyone for their ID’s.  It’s part of the "equal treatment" law. Me: OK, but why do you need anyone’s ID? Girl: Actually, it’s for my protection. [I stare at her blankly.  Is she talking about potential litigation? Does she want to be protected against my suing her]? This went on for a while longer until it finally penetrated my fog-shrouded brain that she was worried I’d kidnap her on the course of the tour.  Of course, I can’t really be blamed, since she kept dancing around the issue, without stating up-front that she was worried I’d physically assault her. The entire episode was somewhat demoralizing.

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"Antares" <antaresonwhe…@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:1129280123.013733.218590@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com… > Rainier wrote: >> Does anyone else have this paranoid fear, that anything they do will be >> construed by women as creepy stalker-like behavior? > Sometimes.  For instance, if it’s getting dark and I’m walking behind a > woman on the street, I’ll cross over to the other side of the road.  No > sense in creeping her out.

I quite often feel like I have to avoid eye contact with a woman on a train for example.

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"Phil" <p…@myaddress.com> wrote in news:diofro$qb$1@ucsnew1.ncl.ac.uk: > "Antares" <antaresonwhe…@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:1129280123.013733.218590@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com… >> Rainier wrote: >>> Does anyone else have this paranoid fear, that anything they do will >>> be construed by women as creepy stalker-like behavior? >> Sometimes.  For instance, if it’s getting dark and I’m walking behind >> a woman on the street, I’ll cross over to the other side of the road. >>  No sense in creeping her out. > I quite often feel like I have to avoid eye contact with a woman on a > train for example.

I don’t know why people need to take one absolute extreme or the other. Because it’s kind of weird to park outside someone’s house and wait an hour with flowers until she comes home, or hang out in ambush outside a class for someone you’ve barely met, it doesn’t mean that you have to cross the street or look the other way for a complete stranger.

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"Phil" <p…@myaddress.com> wrote in message

news:diofro$qb$1@ucsnew1.ncl.ac.uk… > "Antares" <antaresonwhe…@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:1129280123.013733.218590@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com… >> Sometimes.  For instance, if it’s getting dark and I’m walking behind a >> woman on the street, I’ll cross over to the other side of the road.  No >> sense in creeping her out. > I quite often feel like I have to avoid eye contact with a woman on a > train for example.

Well in such a situation I’d just avoid contact with everyone (on a train, etc). Im’ curious…why would you make eye contact with anyone on a train normally?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Lobsterboy wrote: > I just cancelled my Hot or Not account, along a few others I had in > several rating sites. After 3 years and lots of pics posted I’ve simply > confirmed what I had always suspected; my looks are a tad below average > and 90% of the women I seem to atract don’t meet my very reasonable > (IMHO) standards. > So to the hell with them. I wasted way too much time on these sites, > specially in the forum wouldyouhithis.com, getting in flame wars with > moronic american teens. > I also shaved my goatee. I don’t think it improved my looks at all, it > just made me look older. I don’t have much facial hair, and I never > really liked the way it looked. Besides, it required some trimming > every few days, so to the hell with it too. > It feels good to make some changes, when your life if so boring.

Have you ever posted a link to your photo here?

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Hot or not is not the best place to find someone, I agree… then again 90% of the population is living life asleep.. but ignorance can be bliss. Thank goodness I at least have the stock market to keep me amused, I’m up 150%+ this year.

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"stockwiz" <anonym…@noemail.com> wrote in news:910b808c21f619e020acd3da57207282@localhost.talkaboutsupport.com: > Hot or not is not the best place to find someone, I agree… then > again 90% of the population is living life asleep.. but ignorance can > be bliss. > Thank goodness I at least have the stock market to keep me amused, I’m > up 150%+ this year.

Damn. — As for the pastor, after four days of listening to science experts dismantling the case for intelligent design, he was unimpressed.  "They’re babblers," said the pastor, the Rev. Jim Grove, who leads a 40-member independent Baptist church outside of Dover. "The more Ph.D.’s you get, it seems like the further away from God you get."  (NY Times, 10-2-05)

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Good for you. I know it’s hard to avoid the lure of sites like this, but they prey on the loneliness and desperation of guys like us. Don’t waste your time or money on sites like this.

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Yeah, a couple of times. I can’t do that again, since all my accounts are cancelled.

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I just cancelled my Hot or Not account, along a few others I had in several rating sites. After 3 years and lots of pics posted I’ve simply confirmed what I had always suspected; my looks are a tad below average and 90% of the women I seem to atract don’t meet my very reasonable (IMHO) standards. So to the hell with them. I wasted way too much time on these sites, specially in the forum wouldyouhithis.com, getting in flame wars with moronic american teens. I also shaved my goatee. I don’t think it improved my looks at all, it just made me look older. I don’t have much facial hair, and I never really liked the way it looked. Besides, it required some trimming every few days, so to the hell with it too. It feels good to make some changes, when your life if so boring.

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In article <1127254141.306057.222…@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, sirdrumsa…@hotmail.com says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I am not one to do this but I figured I would go ahead and get this off >my chest. Where to start….. >I am 26 years old, IMHO have a good job, own a nice home, nice car etc. >I am usually a very optimistic person. I smile a lot, makes jokes and >am a very pleasant person to be around. I have a lot of bright spots in >my life, but in one area it seems I can’t win. Relationships. On days >like this, I can be a real drag. > I have been single with virtually no dates or anything for almost 8 >years now. I can’t believe it has been so long. Time goes by so >quickly. I guess I have fooled myself in thinking that if I go through >the "10 step process" that I will eventually find someone out of the >blue. >I have tried a few things to try and break out of the pattern. Tried >going to public places and being myself. This doesn’t work bc you need >to go with friends, going by yourself is just too awkward. The only >friends that I have currently got married and moved out of state. So, I >end up just going to a coffee shop and enjoy reading a magazine or book >by myself. Nothing comes of it. Which is ok, bc it is something I enjoy >from time to time. Doesn’t help the loneliness factor though. >I am a Christian and go to church regularly. I go to a small church and >am the only 20 something person that goes that isn’t married. Don’t go >to church to meet anyone anyway. I would be afraid to bring any date >their anyway bc I have been single so long that the church would think >she is "the one". >I love to ride my mountain bike on the weekends. I know of no one >personally that ever wants to go with me. I ask all the time. I even >have a bike rack for multiple bikes. I end up riding alone. Which is ok >because it is something I enjoy. The people I meet on the trail are >busy riding and well, it would be strange to try and stop them for some >conversation :p. >I go to a gym several times a week. I do not know anyone who likes to >work out either. I end up going…. well, you get it by now. The people >at the gym are nice but into their own groups and its awkward to me to >try and jump into a conversation. The women at the gyms usually come >with their BF’s or are trying to grab the attention of the trainers and >the buffed up guys. I am nice anyway and smile when they look my way. >Just nothing comes of it. >I do not think of it ALL the time. I will be just going about my life >when one day It will hit me out of the blue. Example, it will be a >beautiful day outside and I will be out side relaxing and enjoying it >when I will think, "How much better would it be if I had someone to >share this with." or I’ll come home after a long day of work and would >like to have some to talk too and unwind with. >I am not someone who HAS to have someone in my life. I am doing fine as >it is for the most part. I just want someone in my life. There is a >part of me that I want to invest into something other than myself. I >feel as if it is a part of me the God designated just for that purpose. >Any way, thanks for reading this and allowing a forum to express my >feelings even if they are a bit vague in a few areas. I guess in the >end I can hope that someone reads this and realizes that they are not >the only one in this kind of situation. >Thanks.

Don’t know where you live? USA? UK? ??? Well if you have the stuff (materialism, job, money, etc) that usually women want? in a husband/mate – and are a nice guy, have a good body, etc, then it seems you should acceptable to most single women, I guess… Then I guess it’s just the matter of mixing with people and striking up a connection with some single women. There are always those dating agencies, or internet places where singles can go to, to find people in their local area. Or simply go to those places that single people go to? Something you can try? Is maybe team sports? I play volleyball, and there can be a good mix of men and women playing. Play for long enough, then you can get to remember peoples’ names, etc. It’s always good to get some coaching when you start, so as to have some idea how to play properly. With not being in a relationship – you have the disadvantage of, that if you do meet someone you really like, and it does not go well – you can be very disappointed. This is the downside of relationships to be aware of, and of so-called ‘love’. Keep trying, don’t give up on what you really want. Find new ways of enjoying life and being with people. Harvey

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"SirDrums" (sirdrumsa…@hotmail.com) writes: > I am not one to do this but I figured I would go ahead and get this off > my chest. Where to start….. > I am 26 years old, IMHO have a good job, own a nice home, nice car etc. > I am usually a very optimistic person. I smile a lot, makes jokes and > am a very pleasant person to be around. I have a lot of bright spots in > my life, but in one area it seems I can’t win. Relationships. On days > like this, I can be a real drag. >  I have been single with virtually no dates or anything for almost 8 > years now. I can’t believe it has been so long. Time goes by so > quickly. I guess I have fooled myself in thinking that if I go through > the "10 step process" that I will eventually find someone out of the > blue. > I have tried a few things to try and break out of the pattern. Tried > going to public places and being myself. This doesn’t work bc you need > to go with friends, going by yourself is just too awkward. The only > friends that I have currently got married and moved out of state. So, I > end up just going to a coffee shop and enjoy reading a magazine or book > by myself. Nothing comes of it. Which is ok, bc it is something I enjoy > from time to time. Doesn’t help the loneliness factor though. > I am a Christian and go to church regularly. I go to a small church and > am the only 20 something person that goes that isn’t married. Don’t go > to church to meet anyone anyway. I would be afraid to bring any date > their anyway bc I have been single so long that the church would think > she is "the one". > I love to ride my mountain bike on the weekends. I know of no one > personally that ever wants to go with me. I ask all the time. I even > have a bike rack for multiple bikes. I end up riding alone. Which is ok > because it is something I enjoy. The people I meet on the trail are > busy riding and well, it would be strange to try and stop them for some > conversation :p. > I go to a gym several times a week. I do not know anyone who likes to > work out either. I end up going…. well, you get it by now. The people > at the gym are nice but into their own groups and its awkward to me to > try and jump into a conversation. The women at the gyms usually come > with their BF’s or are trying to grab the attention of the trainers and > the buffed up guys. I am nice anyway and smile when they look my way. > Just nothing comes of it. > I do not think of it ALL the time. I will be just going about my life > when one day It will hit me out of the blue. Example, it will be a > beautiful day outside and I will be out side relaxing and enjoying it > when I will think, "How much better would it be if I had someone to > share this with." or I’ll come home after a long day of work and would > like to have some to talk too and unwind with. > I am not someone who HAS to have someone in my life. I am doing fine as > it is for the most part. I just want someone in my life. There is a > part of me that I want to invest into something other than myself. I > feel as if it is a part of me the God designated just for that purpose. > Any way, thanks for reading this and allowing a forum to express my > feelings even if they are a bit vague in a few areas. I guess in the > end I can hope that someone reads this and realizes that they are not > the only one in this kind of situation. > Thanks.

Hi there, BTW, about your handle: do you play drums? I used to a bit a lifetime ago:) But drumming in apartments is not too weel seen in this neck of the wood, and one day, I sold the set….People needed food, and they were just sitting there… Hm. Sounds like all the efforts yuou make are in places where people are already aken or where single poeple do not go much. The forst thought that crossed my mind was an odd one, maybe: how about using each Sunday to go discover the neigboring churches:), and maybe while at it, seing what is there…?;-) Different places might have dofferent age groups in their parishioners, for one thing… And it coudl be an activity that kills routine and brings you to stop at new places along the way where never know…someoen might smile first or smile back;-) I also thought of this which male penfriends of your age sometiems do: volunteer work, but a kind where poeple work at some project by yteam. For instance one joined a project where they would go help some elederly couple with painting thewir house or cleaning their yard,where a bunch of singles in their 20s and early 30s would join to get the work done on a Saturday…The activity makes it so that poeple chit chat, having to ask where is this and are they done wiht that, and this needs done next and so on… Perhaps there would be soemthign like that near you? Then there could be some biking groups as well, poeple who gather a certain weekend and go do this or that trail… This way youd be part of one of those groups cycling together and could then maybe also get to meet someone you;d get along wit and all that… Just thoughts… Some volunteer work does not lend itself as well to exchange and coversatiosn as the project I gave as an example: usually the ones in an office will be more restrctive, where the approiach thing still needs done with usually too few poeple around for one to have good chanvces at maybe being interested in one of the others…and with no other 10 males after the same one;-). Hope some ideas help. For the rest, I’d say go on as you are keeping at thse activities too, if you enjoy them. It can be just on your way to them you bumpo into someone after all, does not haveto be the destination necessarily, the journey does count too in giving coincidences a chance…;) Hope your week ends well, and that the ext weekend will bring you nce weather, and an even brighter smile than usual, maybe from chit hattgn ehre, who knows, where takign that surplus out with you coudl maybe put more chances on your side too:) Wlecome to the bunch, DrumsALot! Take care  and see you around Chloe —

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I am not one to do this but I figured I would go ahead and get this off my chest. Where to start….. I am 26 years old, IMHO have a good job, own a nice home, nice car etc. I am usually a very optimistic person. I smile a lot, makes jokes and am a very pleasant person to be around. I have a lot of bright spots in my life, but in one area it seems I can’t win. Relationships. On days like this, I can be a real drag.  I have been single with virtually no dates or anything for almost 8 years now. I can’t believe it has been so long. Time goes by so quickly. I guess I have fooled myself in thinking that if I go through the "10 step process" that I will eventually find someone out of the blue. I have tried a few things to try and break out of the pattern. Tried going to public places and being myself. This doesn’t work bc you need to go with friends, going by yourself is just too awkward. The only friends that I have currently got married and moved out of state. So, I end up just going to a coffee shop and enjoy reading a magazine or book by myself. Nothing comes of it. Which is ok, bc it is something I enjoy from time to time. Doesn’t help the loneliness factor though. I am a Christian and go to church regularly. I go to a small church and am the only 20 something person that goes that isn’t married. Don’t go to church to meet anyone anyway. I would be afraid to bring any date their anyway bc I have been single so long that the church would think she is "the one". I love to ride my mountain bike on the weekends. I know of no one personally that ever wants to go with me. I ask all the time. I even have a bike rack for multiple bikes. I end up riding alone. Which is ok because it is something I enjoy. The people I meet on the trail are busy riding and well, it would be strange to try and stop them for some conversation :p. I go to a gym several times a week. I do not know anyone who likes to work out either. I end up going…. well, you get it by now. The people at the gym are nice but into their own groups and its awkward to me to try and jump into a conversation. The women at the gyms usually come with their BF’s or are trying to grab the attention of the trainers and the buffed up guys. I am nice anyway and smile when they look my way. Just nothing comes of it. I do not think of it ALL the time. I will be just going about my life when one day It will hit me out of the blue. Example, it will be a beautiful day outside and I will be out side relaxing and enjoying it when I will think, "How much better would it be if I had someone to share this with." or I’ll come home after a long day of work and would like to have some to talk too and unwind with. I am not someone who HAS to have someone in my life. I am doing fine as it is for the most part. I just want someone in my life. There is a part of me that I want to invest into something other than myself. I feel as if it is a part of me the God designated just for that purpose. Any way, thanks for reading this and allowing a forum to express my feelings even if they are a bit vague in a few areas. I guess in the end I can hope that someone reads this and realizes that they are not the only one in this kind of situation. Thanks.

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An elderly Chinese woman had two large pots, each hung on the ends of a pole which she carried across her neck. One of the pots had a crack in it while the other pot was perfect and always delivered a full portion of water. At the end of the long walk from the stream to the house, the cracked pot arrived only half full. For a full two years this went on daily, with the woman bringing home only one and a half pots of water. Of course, the perfect pot was proud of its accomplishments. But the poor cracked pot was ashamed of its own imperfection, and miserable that it could only do half of what it had been made to do. After 2 years of what it perceived to be bitter failure, the Cracked pot spoke to the woman one day by the stream: "Old Woman, I am ashamed of myself, because this crack in my side causes water to leak out all the way back to your house." The woman smiled and replied, "Cracked Pot, did you notice that there are flowers on your side of the path, but not on Perfect Pot’s side? I have always known about your flaw, so I planted flower seeds on your side of the path, and every day while we walk back, you water them. For two years I have been able to pick these beautiful flowers to decorate the table. Without you being just the way you are, there would not be this beauty to grace the house." Each of us has our own unique flaw. But it’s the cracks and flaws we each have that make our lives together so very interesting and rewarding. You just have to take each person for what they are and look for the good in them. To all of my crackpot friends, have a great day, and remember to smell the flowers!

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -sumire wrote: > An elderly Chinese woman had two large pots, each hung on the ends of a > pole which she carried across her neck. One of the pots had a crack in it > while the other pot was perfect and always delivered a full portion of > water. At the end of the long walk from the stream to the house, the > cracked pot arrived only half full. For a full two years this went on > daily, with the woman bringing home only one and a half pots of water. > Of course, the perfect pot was proud of its accomplishments. But the poor > cracked pot was ashamed of its own imperfection, and miserable that it > could only do half of what it had been made to do. > After 2 years of what it perceived to be bitter failure, the Cracked pot > spoke to the woman one day by the stream: "Old Woman, I am ashamed of > myself, because this crack in my side causes water to leak out all the way > back to your house." > The woman smiled and replied, "Cracked Pot, did you notice that there are > flowers on your side of the path, but not on Perfect Pot’s side? I have > always known about your flaw, so I planted flower seeds on your side of > the path, and every day while we walk back, you water > them. For two years I have been able to pick these beautiful flowers to > decorate the table. Without you being just the way you are, there would > not be this beauty to grace the house." > Each of us has our own unique flaw. But it’s the cracks and flaws we each > have that make our lives together so very interesting and rewarding. You > just have to take each person for what they are and look for the good in > them. > To all of my crackpot friends, have a great day, and remember to smell the > flowers!

Are you calling me a retard? LOL! I like that tale! Of course, if she was really clever about it she would have cracked the perfect pot and had flowers both sides of the lane. Also that way the cracked pot wouldn’t have felt so much shame for so long. I guess the woman probably sold the cracked pot on EBay after she found it could talk, she probably made a fortune; now she can buy all the pots she could ever need, perfect or cracked.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"sumire" (sumire_kawab…@nospam.yahoo.co.uk) writes: > An elderly Chinese woman had two large pots, each hung on the ends of a > pole which she carried across her neck. One of the pots had a crack in it > while the other pot was perfect and always delivered a full portion of > water. At the end of the long walk from the stream to the house, the > cracked pot arrived only half full. For a full two years this went on > daily, with the woman bringing home only one and a half pots of water. > Of course, the perfect pot was proud of its accomplishments. But the poor > cracked pot was ashamed of its own imperfection, and miserable that it > could only do half of what it had been made to do. > After 2 years of what it perceived to be bitter failure, the Cracked pot > spoke to the woman one day by the stream: "Old Woman, I am ashamed of > myself, because this crack in my side causes water to leak out all the way > back to your house." > The woman smiled and replied, "Cracked Pot, did you notice that there are > flowers on your side of the path, but not on Perfect Pot’s side? I have > always known about your flaw, so I planted flower seeds on your side of > the path, and every day while we walk back, you water > them. For two years I have been able to pick these beautiful flowers to > decorate the table. Without you being just the way you are, there would > not be this beauty to grace the house." > Each of us has our own unique flaw. But it’s the cracks and flaws we each > have that make our lives together so very interesting and rewarding. You > just have to take each person for what they are and look for the good in > them.

E-mouse will be glad to read this, I am sure:) > To all of my crackpot friends, have a great day, and remember to smell the > flowers!

It’s enough that we are used to water them for you to make your pick while charitably labelling us crackpots for it;-)…smell them yourself! LOL:) —

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> Are you calling me a retard? LOL!

Of course I’m not, sorry

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sumire on 17/09/2005 5:09 pm wrote: >> Are you calling me a retard? LOL! > Of course I’m not, sorry

I’m sorry, I didn’t make that clear it’s an "in" joke. It’s so "in" in fact that I’m the only one who gets it. I’m so alone in this loneliness newsgroup. … er… boohoo. :v)

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"MrWigglesworth" <mrwigglesworth2…@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in news:de6296fc2edefbf38814a66dee98c9da@localhost.talkaboutsupport.com: >>Didn’t I read this post 6 months ago? > Probably.  I am terribly unoriginal and recycle everything I post.

No, I mean the orinal post about being a tennis player with acne. — "You tried to scan me, you freaked-out maniac." –TV’s Frank.

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I went through the same thing with my acne medication.  You’ll get through it and your skin will go back to normal.  I’m sure a lot of the side effects aren’t as bad as you imagine.

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In news:a239722d0f5c663dbc57d1445d463c1c@localhost.talkaboutsupport.com, MrWigglesworth <mrwigglesworth2…@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote : > I went through the same thing with my acne medication.  You’ll get > through it and your skin will go back to normal.  I’m sure a lot of > the side effects aren’t as bad as you imagine.

    I’ve had lots of problems with acne medication too (Roaccutane), that I have taken when I was younger. It’s better now but I still have a very dry skin, I always have to carry a stick for my dry lips (even in the summer), my mouth is always dry (which wakes me up in the night), and I also have problems with the skin inside my nose (I have to take care of that at least twice a day).     Doctors have denied that it could have a link with Roaccutane (though known as being a very dangerous drug), though I didn’t have these problems before, at all. But it’s well-known that doctors are stupid and arrogant, isn’t it?

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In news:1126476337.990010.58170@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com, TENNISBOY <TENNISBOY…@YAHOO.CO.UK> wrote : > what should i do should i just concerntrate on my tennis and get rich > with it or what.

    well yeah, why not??

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>I’ve had lots of problems with acne medication >too (Roaccutane), that I have taken when I was >younger. It’s better now but I still have a very >dry skin, I always have to carry a stick for my >dry lips (even in the summer), my mouth is always >dry (which wakes me up in the night), and I also >have problems with the skin inside my nose (I >have to take care of that at least twice a day).

Yeah, I used Roaccutane too.  It isn’t too popular now because of it’s nasty side effects.  Supposedly it causes severe depression in some people.  Someone committed suicide and it was linked to the drug.  At the time the side effects were terrible (itchy, dry, flaking skin etc), but I’m fine now and I don’t have any ongoing problems.  I’ve got remarkably little scarring considering how bad my acne used to be. >Doctors have denied that it could have a link >with Roaccutane (though known as being a very >dangerous drug), though I didn’t have these >problems before, at all. But it’s well-known that >doctors are stupid and arrogant, isn’t it?

Yep!

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In news:Xns96CF2E816E863eh3du@localhost, Troll <tr…@master.com> wrote : > "F

- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -tracert wrote: > "Xenos the Elder" <as…@forit.net> wrote in message > news:LZFQe.14634$Er3.12384@reader1.news.jippii.net… >>tracert wrote: >>><NoEmail…@invalid.com> wrote in message >>>news:j8m2h1pmqiu25ggc9k5jhhecgc1vnajkgi@4ax.com… >>>>I am a middle aged man. >>>Sorry dude, you’re about 50 years too late. Don’t you know that gay >>>people are BORN that way? Sheesh. >>2 out of 3 people born that way don’t turn out to become gay. >>Only one in 3 gays has the gay genes. > Genes??? No such thing as a gay gene. As I understand it, there are subtle > changes in brain chemistry while a fetus is in utero which may predispose a > person to be gay or lesbian. If homosexuality was genetic, children of gays > and lesbians would be more likely to be gay, which is simply not the case.

You are right.

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gay genes is a dormant ones, not always passed down from one generation to the next. Women carry bald genes, her sons inherit  it,  not all her sons are bald. Think of genetic lineage as lottery ticket, it depends on many factors.

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gay genes is a dormant ones, unlike melanin, not always visible in the immediate next generation.   women carry bald genes and pass on to her sons, not all her sons are to be bald. It depends on many other factors.

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"Sushi Fish" <yellowtail_2…@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1126491993.569094.315780@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com: > women carry bald genes

I’ve read otherwise. — "You tried to scan me, you freaked-out maniac." –TV’s Frank.

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<NoEmail…@invalid.com> wrote in message

news:j8m2h1pmqiu25ggc9k5jhhecgc1vnajkgi@4ax.com… >I am a middle aged man.

Sorry dude, you’re about 50 years too late. Don’t you know that gay people are BORN that way? Sheesh.

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tracert wrote: > <NoEmail…@invalid.com> wrote in message > news:j8m2h1pmqiu25ggc9k5jhhecgc1vnajkgi@4ax.com… >>I am a middle aged man. > Sorry dude, you’re about 50 years too late. Don’t you know that gay people > are BORN that way? Sheesh.

2 out of 3 people born that way don’t turn out to become gay. Only one in 3 gays has the gay genes.

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tracert wrote: > <NoEmail…@invalid.com> wrote in message > news:j8m2h1pmqiu25ggc9k5jhhecgc1vnajkgi@4ax.com… >>I am a middle aged man. > Sorry dude, you’re about 50 years too late. Don’t you know that gay people > are BORN that way? Sheesh.

http://www.narth.com/docs/istheregene.html The above web site don’t agree with the " born that way ".

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"Xenos the Elder" <as…@forit.net> wrote in message news:LZFQe.14634$Er3.12384@reader1.news.jippii.net… > tracert wrote: >> <NoEmail…@invalid.com> wrote in message >> news:j8m2h1pmqiu25ggc9k5jhhecgc1vnajkgi@4ax.com… >>>I am a middle aged man. >> Sorry dude, you’re about 50 years too late. Don’t you know that gay >> people are BORN that way? Sheesh. > 2 out of 3 people born that way don’t turn out to become gay. > Only one in 3 gays has the gay genes.

Genes??? No such thing as a gay gene. As I understand it, there are subtle changes in brain chemistry while a fetus is in utero which may predispose a person to be gay or lesbian. If homosexuality was genetic, children of gays and lesbians would be more likely to be gay, which is simply not the case.

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Mommy problems, I presume.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -NoEmail…@invalid.com wrote: > I am a middle aged man. > After my last marriage, several nasty women before her, and breaking > up with my latest girlfriend, I have come to the conclusion that I am > not going out with any more women.  Either they are all bitches, or I > just am not suited to be with them. > I have never been gay, never even thought about it until now.  I must > say that I always have more fun when I am with men.  Not just when we > are drinking and watching football, but even when we are just fixing > an old car or something. It’s so much easier to have fun with men than > with women.  When I am with women, it seems like I have to constantly > be giving them every moment of my time, because if I dont, I have to > deal with their emotional outbursts and sooner or later their nagging > and bitching.  I feel like I have to always be proving myself and am > always on guard and on trial.  I just cant have fun when I am with > women, > Because of this, I would rather be with other men.  Then I can just be > myself and dont have to put on an act and kiss ass.  I almost always > have fun when i am with men, and i never have to listen to them > birching.  If they dont like the brand of beer I drink or the way I > tune up an engine, they tell me so, and it’s over and done.  A woman > will carry on for days because I bought the wrong brand of toilet > paper and I will never hear the end of it.  I just can not and will > not live that way any longer.  If I feel like telling a dirty joke, I > want to tell it.  The men laugh, the women get all offended and I will > hear their disproval for the next 6 months because of that joke. > Women are just not fun to be around. > Somehow I can not see myself having sex with another man, in fact it > seems rather repulsive.  Yet, I feel I could love another man easier > than a woman.  This leads me to believe I am becoming gay.  In one > sense, its scarey, in another sense, it seems like a welcome change > since I dont care to be alone, and most definately do not want to deal > with anymore women in close relationships.  This leaves me one option. > Hopefully, I can find a gay man that is not hung up on sex.  I really > dont want gay sex.  I do want a close male lover though.  We all need > love and I think I’d be much happier with a man.  I used to be > tolerant but turned off by homosexuality. Now I rhink I finally > understand the reasoning and the need, and find myself leaning that > way.  But where do I begin?  How do I find and approach another man > without getting the shit kicked out of me for approaching a straight > man.  The guys that I hang around now are all straight, even though > two of them have also given up having relationships with women.  I > like these guys as friends but dont want to ruin our friendships.  I > think its best if I meet a total stranger.  I just dont know how…. > I wanted to post this to a gay related newsgroup but after reading > them all they are is a place to post porn websites.  I dont want a > pervert, I just want an honest man to love. > No Email Sam

Or you could spend some time learning about differences between men and women and learn how to appreciate them, and find ways to get along better, and how to pick your women better. Most people in succesful relationships have learned to pick a compatible partner appreciate the differences they have rather then finding them to be a drag.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Larry Kessler wrote: > NoEmail…@invalid.com wrote: >>I am a middle aged man. >>After my last marriage, several nasty women before her, and breaking >>up with my latest girlfriend, I have come to the conclusion that I am >>not going out with any more women.  Either they are all bitches, or I >>just am not suited to be with them. >>I have never been gay, never even thought about it until now.  I must >>say that I always have more fun when I am with men. > When it comes to being bitchy (however you may define that word) women > can’t hold a candle to gay men.

LOL. I was thinking something along the same lines, but I didn’t want to be accused of stereotyping! And while there are gay men who like to sit around drinking and watching football, it’s more likely to be Turning Leaf and not Budweiser, and admiring tight ends’ tight ends.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -OB wrote: > 280805 wrote: >>You could become a monk. That way you get all the male >>company you want and the sex is optional. Also you could >>enter a closed order and never have to deal with any of this >>ever again. Yippee! > Another advantage is that many of these monasteries make their own beer > or wine. Usually pretty potent stuff. >>By the way, sex with a man isn’t that difficult, I know it >>sounds well weird but it’s actually possible to enjoy it. > Hm. I don’t think I could bear him falling asleep afterwards, I would > feel so rejected.

LOL. Ashully… if it’s two men there must be a race to see who falls asleep first. Australian man’s idea of foreplay: "You awake Sheila?" [anudda olde joke]

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NoEmail…@invalid.com wrote: >I am a middle aged man. >After my last marriage, several nasty women before her, and breaking >up with my latest girlfriend, I have come to the conclusion that I am >not going out with any more women.  Either they are all bitches, or I >just am not suited to be with them. >I have never been gay, never even thought about it until now.  I must >say that I always have more fun when I am with men.

When it comes to being bitchy (however you may define that word) women can’t hold a candle to gay men. — "As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart’s desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron." — H. L. Mencken, in the Baltimore Sun, July 26, 1920

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NoEmail…@invalid.com wrote: > I am a middle aged man. > I have come to the conclusion that I am > not going out with any more women.   > I have never been gay, never even thought about it until now.  I must > say that I always have more fun when I am with men.   > Because of this, I would rather be with other men.  Then I can just be > myself and dont have to put on an act and kiss ass.  I almost always > have fun when i am with men, and i never have to listen to them > birching.  

I have to say – you think women bitch..? You obviously h’ain’t been round enough gay men, girl. [I'm assuming you were going for a "t" there in birching, otherwise that's a whole other matter]. > Somehow I can not see myself having sex with another man, in fact it > seems rather repulsive.   > No Email Sam

Some snips I’m afraid but the gist is… Would NoEmailSam make a good gay? Why not ask the Advice Bunny? http://www.4degreez.com/misc/advice_index.html One question: Do you reeeeally like Judy Garland?

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NoEmailSam uttered: > I am a middle aged man. > After my last marriage, several nasty women before her, and breaking > up with my latest girlfriend, I have come to the conclusion that I am > not going out with any more women.  Either they are all bitches, or I > just am not suited to be with them.

Or maybe you’re just an asshole … more about that below. > Because of this, I would rather be with other men.  Then I can just be > myself and dont have to put on an act and kiss ass.  

Uh, I wouldn’t be so sure about that.  You might be doing more than just kissing one …. Casey

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280805 wrote: > You could become a monk. That way you get all the male > company you want and the sex is optional. Also you could > enter a closed order and never have to deal with any of this > ever again. Yippee!

Another advantage is that many of these monasteries make their own beer or wine. Usually pretty potent stuff. > By the way, sex with a man isn’t that difficult, I know it > sounds well weird but it’s actually possible to enjoy it.

Hm. I don’t think I could bear him falling asleep afterwards, I would feel so rejected.

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NoEmail…@invalid.com wrote: > I am a middle aged man.

Ditto. > After my last marriage, several nasty women before her, and breaking > up with my latest girlfriend, I have come to the conclusion that I am > not going out with any more women.  Either they are all bitches, or I > just am not suited to be with them. > I have never been gay, never even thought about it until now.  I must > say that I always have more fun when I am with men.  Not just when we > are drinking and watching football, but even when we are just fixing > an old car or something. It’s so much easier to have fun with men than > with women.  When I am with women, it seems like I have to constantly > be giving them every moment of my time, because if I dont, I have to > deal with their emotional outbursts and sooner or later their nagging > and bitching.  I feel like I have to always be proving myself and am > always on guard and on trial.  I just cant have fun when I am with > women,

Well, I’m pretty much the opposite case. I dunno if it’s all that significant as regards sexuality. The fact that I don’t feel all that comfortable in company of blokes is easily explainable as a result of my childhood/adolescence experiences. I grew up with three sisters and no brothers. Parents divorced when I was thirteen, so no father to act as male role model after that. Painfully shy at school, so very little in the way of same-sex friendships. Result, I just never got the hang of being "matey". Later in life, I found myself in a position where it was strongly in my interests to be so (recently emigrated, only people I knew were male colleagues, three of whom I shared a flat with), so I kind of fell into the routine of going out boozing every night with them. It was all right, but I felt increasingly bored and dissatisfied and plagued with the sensation of being an "onlooker" rather than a participant. I had neglected to develop the one crucial area of knowledge and conversation you need to be around blokes – i.e. soccer – I knew nothing about soccer and had no interest in it, so that meant that around 75% of the conversation excluded me (as a consequence of this, I spent more time drinking than talking, which meant I always ended up having twice as many bottles lined up on the table). As you can imagine from this, I’ve always sought out the company of females. For me, it’s just natural to do so. I can’t say to what extent the fact that I find females "nicer" or "more fun" to be with is due simply to the fact they don’t go on about soccer the whole time. Maybe that’s all it is. Still, it’s a big plus. Anyway, what I’m saying is that I don’t think "enjoying the company of people of a particular gender" correlates at all with sexuality. The above could be the autobiography of a gay male, but it’s not. There are people on these groups who claim to despise women, yet part of the intensity of the loathing seems to derive from the awareness that, owing to a cruel trick of nature, they "need" women, if only for sexual release. Presumably, if your sexuality did not thrust you into the arms of women, you could adopt a relaxed live-and-let-live attitude and not let their perceived shortcomings bug you. Obviously, if after a cold hard look at your own sexuality you come to the conclusion that you do, physically, need women, then it would make sense to try and find a modus vivendi that enabled you to not be constantly annoyed and irritated by them/"her". That might mean looking at your own prejudices and expectations (some guys seem to want every woman they meet to be simultaneously the Virgin Mary, Mother Theresa, Mata Hari and the Big Brother They Never Had, which is a pretty hard act to pull off even with the best will in the world – disappointment is pretty much guaranteed), or it might mean simply giving yourself the freedom to look around, to be picky and insist on a woman who meets your criteria – e.g. one who is not "nagging" or "bitchy" or obsessed with toilet paper brands (they do exist). Conclusion: it’s worth exploring your own sexuality, finding out where you are on the spectrum – but don’t use your ill-feeling towards present or former partners as an indicator. The mere state of "partnership" does seem to distort behaviour and I have a feeling that might work in gay relationships too. A bloke who’s great on the subject of car tuning might suddenly turn into another toilet-paper-complainer as soon as you start sharing a bed with him. After all, most women don’t give you advance warning about their nagging/bitching potential either. These are things you only find out in day-to-day living. (Not putting this very well – wife nagging about me beign on Internet instead of working, so have to write fast.) I dunno (not specialised in this area) but I would guess that if you lined up a copy of Playboy and another of Playgirl on your bed and flicked through each in turn, taking care to include a "cooling-off period" in between (poss. inc. cold shower), sexual orientation could be measured fairly precisely as a factor of relative degree of genital arousal associated with each viewing experience (provide self with ruler or tape measure before commencing experiment). Just a thought. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Because of this, I would rather be with other men.  Then I can just be > myself and dont have to put on an act and kiss ass.  I almost always > have fun when i am with men, and i never have to listen to them > birching.  If they dont like the brand of beer I drink or the way I > tune up an engine, they tell me so, and it’s over and done.  A woman > will carry on for days because I bought the wrong brand of toilet > paper and I will never hear the end of it.  I just can not and will > not live that way any longer.  If I feel like telling a dirty joke, I > want to tell it.  The men laugh, the women get all offended and I will > hear their disproval for the next 6 months because of that joke. > Women are just not fun to be around. > Somehow I can not see myself having sex with another man, in fact it > seems rather repulsive.  Yet, I feel I could love another man easier > than a woman.  This leads me to believe I am becoming gay.  In one > sense, its scarey, in another sense, it seems like a welcome change > since I dont care to be alone, and most definately do not want to deal > with anymore women in close relationships.  This leaves me one option. > Hopefully, I can find a gay man that is not hung up on sex.  I really > dont want gay sex.  I do want a close male lover though.  We all need > love and I think I’d be much happier with a man.  I used to be > tolerant but turned off by homosexuality. Now I rhink I finally > understand the reasoning and the need, and find myself leaning that > way.  But where do I begin?  How do I find and approach another man > without getting the shit kicked out of me for approaching a straight > man.  The guys that I hang around now are all straight, even though > two of them have also given up having relationships with women.  I > like these guys as friends but dont want to ruin our friendships.  I > think its best if I meet a total stranger.  I just dont know how…. > I wanted to post this to a gay related newsgroup but after reading > them all they are is a place to post porn websites.  I dont want a > pervert, I just want an honest man to love. > No Email Sam

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NoEmail…@invalid.com wrote: > Women are just not fun to be around.

I would dispute that.  Having spent the afternoon at work with a female colleague, and coming home to a wife who roundly abused me for not reading her mind, my belief is that women are great companions, only don’t marry one.  Remember that it was a woman (Jane Austen) who said that a man with money must be in need of a wife to spend it for him. I can accept that men and women think differently, but my experience is that as with every other form of life, the male is considered expendable. If you prefer the company of men, it doesn’t have to be sexual.  Henry Higgins is my ideal bachelor.  Perfectly contented to be his true self, and to be respected for it.  If he needed a woman to help him find his slippers, he had his housekeeper. Doug. — ICQ Number 178748389. Registered Linux User No. 277548. Some men see things as they are and say why? I dream things that never were and say: Why not?         – Robert Kennedy.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -NoEmail…@invalid.com wrote: > I am a middle aged man. > After my last marriage, several nasty women before her, and breaking > up with my latest girlfriend, I have come to the conclusion that I am > not going out with any more women.  Either they are all bitches, or I > just am not suited to be with them. > I have never been gay, never even thought about it until now.  I must > say that I always have more fun when I am with men.  Not just when we > are drinking and watching football, but even when we are just fixing > an old car or something. It’s so much easier to have fun with men than > with women.  When I am with women, it seems like I have to constantly > be giving them every moment of my time, because if I dont, I have to > deal with their emotional outbursts and sooner or later their nagging > and bitching.  I feel like I have to always be proving myself and am > always on guard and on trial.  I just cant have fun when I am with > women, > Because of this, I would rather be with other men.  Then I can just be > myself and dont have to put on an act and kiss ass.  I almost always > have fun when i am with men, and i never have to listen to them > birching.  If they dont like the brand of beer I drink or the way I > tune up an engine, they tell me so, and it’s over and done.  A woman > will carry on for days because I bought the wrong brand of toilet > paper and I will never hear the end of it.  I just can not and will > not live that way any longer.  If I feel like telling a dirty joke, I > want to tell it.  The men laugh, the women get all offended and I will > hear their disproval for the next 6 months because of that joke. > Women are just not fun to be around. > Somehow I can not see myself having sex with another man, in fact it > seems rather repulsive.  Yet, I feel I could love another man easier > than a woman.  This leads me to believe I am becoming gay.  In one > sense, its scarey, in another sense, it seems like a welcome change > since I dont care to be alone, and most definately do not want to deal > with anymore women in close relationships.  This leaves me one option. > Hopefully, I can find a gay man that is not hung up on sex.  I really > dont want gay sex.  I do want a close male lover though.  We all need > love and I think I’d be much happier with a man.  I used to be > tolerant but turned off by homosexuality. Now I rhink I finally > understand the reasoning and the need, and find myself leaning that > way.  But where do I begin?  How do I find and approach another man > without getting the shit kicked out of me for approaching a straight > man.  The guys that I hang around now are all straight, even though > two of them have also given up having relationships with women.  I > like these guys as friends but dont want to ruin our friendships.  I > think its best if I meet a total stranger.  I just dont know how…. > I wanted to post this to a gay related newsgroup but after reading > them all they are is a place to post porn websites.  I dont want a > pervert, I just want an honest man to love. > No Email Sam

You could become a monk. That way you get all the male company you want and the sex is optional. Also you could enter a closed order and never have to deal with any of this ever again. Yippee! By the way, sex with a man isn’t that difficult, I know it sounds well weird but it’s actually possible to enjoy it.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text - (NoEmail…@invalid.com) writes: > I am a middle aged man. > After my last marriage, several nasty women before her, and breaking > up with my latest girlfriend, I have come to the conclusion that I am > not going out with any more women.  Either they are all bitches, or I > just am not suited to be with them. > I have never been gay, never even thought about it until now.  I must > say that I always have more fun when I am with men.  Not just when we > are drinking and watching football, but even when we are just fixing > an old car or something. It’s so much easier to have fun with men than > with women.  When I am with women, it seems like I have to constantly > be giving them every moment of my time, because if I dont, I have to > deal with their emotional outbursts and sooner or later their nagging > and bitching.  I feel like I have to always be proving myself and am > always on guard and on trial.  I just cant have fun when I am with > women, > Because of this, I would rather be with other men.  Then I can just be > myself and dont have to put on an act and kiss ass.  I almost always > have fun when i am with men, and i never have to listen to them > birching.  If they dont like the brand of beer I drink or the way I > tune up an engine, they tell me so, and it’s over and done.  A woman > will carry on for days because I bought the wrong brand of toilet > paper and I will never hear the end of it.  I just can not and will > not live that way any longer.  If I feel like telling a dirty joke, I > want to tell it.  The men laugh, the women get all offended and I will > hear their disproval for the next 6 months because of that joke. > Women are just not fun to be around. > Somehow I can not see myself having sex with another man, in fact it > seems rather repulsive.  Yet, I feel I could love another man easier > than a woman.  This leads me to believe I am becoming gay.  In one > sense, its scarey, in another sense, it seems like a welcome change > since I dont care to be alone, and most definately do not want to deal > with anymore women in close relationships.  This leaves me one option. > Hopefully, I can find a gay man that is not hung up on sex.  I really > dont want gay sex.  I do want a close male lover though.  We all need > love and I think I’d be much happier with a man.  I used to be > tolerant but turned off by homosexuality. Now I rhink I finally > understand the reasoning and the need, and find myself leaning that > way.  But where do I begin?  How do I find and approach another man > without getting the shit kicked out of me for approaching a straight > man.  The guys that I hang around now are all straight, even though > two of them have also given up having relationships with women.  I > like these guys as friends but dont want to ruin our friendships.  I > think its best if I meet a total stranger.  I just dont know how…. > I wanted to post this to a gay related newsgroup but after reading > them all they are is a place to post porn websites.  I dont want a > pervert, I just want an honest man to love. > No Email Sam

Seems to me reading your words above (i.e. not knowign anythign else from you but those words of course, and having only that to go by) that you seem to think the problems you lived would be exclusively linked to females more than to *any* live-in or long (or medium) term relationship of any sexual orientation. I.e. I’d expect that you’d find the same things/complaints about giving some of your time in a relationship of any sexual orientation, and I lack seing hwo that would be dfferent according to the *gender* of the partner.Sure, you might happen to run into a man that would not have any preferences with toilet paper. His might be with aftershave or what model of car you care to tune-up or whatever else. Or you might discover it can be annoying when the seat si always down;-):), what do we (both you and I) know:) Also seems to me from your words that you sort of don’t want any relatinship per se but find yourself needing sex, where then you figure that maybe that can be with a man without all the pressures and expectations that yet do happen with *any* relationship… It’s in a way as *if* you would see that the only thing you want froma relationship is sex. That then coudl be arranged with a hooker, who woudl not have time to discuss the brand of paper tissue used after the 10 minutes deal. But then you also mention "love". And even possibly love with another man who’d not care for sex….Good luck on finding such a rare man;-)… Perhaps then the problem is a flase one, i.e. perhaps you were gay all that time and just repressed it. I mean, if I also wish loveships were not such a hassle, being hetero in every fiber of my body, a lesbianship would not even be a considered thought. I mean sure, at times, I will say "And the worst is, I am irreversibly hetero. Darn:(". But just out of meaning that gawd, how I wish things would not be so friggen complicated in loveships, where exactly, lesbianship is completely out of the possibilities, since I am strictly hetero by nature….where I yet am sure the annoyances woudl be quite similar regardless of the gender of the person that would "leave the seat up;-)".  The fact you can consider gay relatings more seriously gives me then to wonder if you’d not always have been gay and therefore bound to find life annoying with women. But then again, that is only projecting in a way: maybe for others thinking more seriously of a homosexual relationship is soemthign feasable even if they would be strictly hetero. What do I know….Only me!!:) All in all, my guess woud be that if you woud think of gay relationships and woudl expect to be able to keep all your time to yourself and not give anytime to the relating or to the other person in it, the same thing woudl happen that woudl not be due to sexual orientation. I dunno hwo serious you are about the gay idea, but seems to me that if you read gay ngs, you woudl be a gay repressing and taggign his frustrations on women that you just happened to use and fool as you were busy lying to yourself and fooling yourself to start with. If what you seek is a gay love, then you’ll have to be honmest with yourself, stop blaming women for not being men;-), and to take the jump. And yet to expect that the same woudl occur, i.e. that they would like to see you share and chip in with your time, and not just see them as someoen to washyour clothes and cook your meals so that you have more time to go back to tuning-up your car engine… Some gays can be spotted anywhere they are, if of course not all are so opened about their orientation. Perhaps then you coudl start there…. Look around and at least have a talk with someoen you can spot as being gay and as seeming to be soemoen you would feel comfy talking with…? All in all, many women are also loking for what you are. In fact, often they leave men exactly cause of that: ll the hassles of the cooking and the "their mom made it better" ansd thsi and that annoying thing, where many just wish for oh, not a fuck budy per se, but some loveship where sex is included witout all the heavy annoying stuff that goes around it. A fuck budy with love. Not a swine to wash and feed like he was a vegetable for life:). I am certain ths exists in both genders and all three (or does one say nth?) orientations. Perhaps your own idea about women needs revisited and enhanced. Perhaps youd; see it as a lak of respect to them,. while the type you are looking for woud see a live-in long term relationship as a lack of self rspect AND a lack of respect for the other too! But perhaps this s just the pattern of thinking you need to hold on to to dare cross to the wold side and try and assume your being gay, if you are… Who knows. I certainly do not know for you better than you!:)  Just a note in ending: Do note that gays are welcomed in this ng as much as heteros, bis, undecided, etc. No matter what some self-apointed wannabe moderator might have pretended to the opposite, recently. The ng is also unmoderatd, where that means there could be acerb agressive dominatrix and gay bashers as much as their opposite and the in-betweens in here. Just don’t let one or the other make you feel like you’d not have a rigt to post here, okay? Lonliness is loneliness. Which should maybe be specified everynow and then does not necessary mean "longing" (for a sex partner/romantic partner), as there are way more causes and facets to loneliness of course than just that. Post reply to what you feel helps you better deal wit the loneliness, and ignore the rest, simply. That includes my posts of course:). Feel free to repl or ignore, as you feel best suits your moment. Hope you can find your answers and better know where to go from there, once you know where to put the "X" on the "You Are Here" shopping centre Map:) Chloe —

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