How Soon Is Now?
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> I used to listen to the Smiths song incessantly back when I was "worse" – > it might be "depressing." but it’s one of the few songs I’ve ever heard > that adequately encapsulates the feelings of alienation, etc., that can > happen at that point (really bad shyness/loneliness). It’s actually > rather interesting – I have a recording of the song played live, and when > you put those lyrics against the driving, late-60’s-Rolling-Stones-y type > music the song has, it, strangely enough, sounds more defiant and even > uplifting than anything else – not really that depressing. Sort of like > "emotional class warfare" or something. I guess everyone’s mileage may > vary, naturally. Besides, the Smiths did some very nice breezy innocuous > stuff too, so you can take them off the hook. 
> (If anyone happens to remember, no, I never went out that Friday night – > one of the people going got sick, so the whole thing was canceled. I must > now sit around and wait for school to start again. Arrgh. )
————————————————————————— —– "defiant and even uplifting (more) than anything else – not really that depressing." It’s nice to hear, I feel the same way. It’s always the so called "sad" songs that give me the most hope. A sad song is sort of like reading someone’s sad post on this newsgroup; it’s nice to know that your not as alone as you thought, and maybe more importantly, for one brief moment your heart and concerns are shifted from yourself towards someone else.
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In article <none-2608982352590…@cs133632-a.cgws1.ab.wave.home.com>, – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Urbanite Anonymous <n…@all.com> wrote: >> I used to listen to the Smiths song incessantly back when I was "worse" – >> it might be "depressing." but it’s one of the few songs I’ve ever heard >> that adequately encapsulates the feelings of alienation, etc., that can >> happen at that point (really bad shyness/loneliness). It’s actually >> rather interesting – I have a recording of the song played live, and when >> you put those lyrics against the driving, late-60’s-Rolling-Stones-y type >> music the song has, it, strangely enough, sounds more defiant and even >> uplifting than anything else – not really that depressing. Sort of like >> "emotional class warfare" or something. I guess everyone’s mileage may >> vary, naturally. Besides, the Smiths did some very nice breezy innocuous >> stuff too, so you can take them off the hook. >> (If anyone happens to remember, no, I never went out that Friday night – >> one of the people going got sick, so the whole thing was canceled. I must >> now sit around and wait for school to start again. Arrgh. ) >————————————————————————– —— >"defiant and even uplifting (more) than anything else – not really that >depressing." >It’s nice to hear, I feel the same way. It’s always the so called "sad" >songs that give me the most hope. A sad song is sort of like reading >someone’s sad post on this newsgroup; it’s nice to know that your not as >alone as you thought, and maybe more importantly, for one brief moment >your heart and concerns are shifted from yourself towards someone else.
Exactly. The trick, of course, is to avoid letting your musical tastes drag you down. Fortunately, my musical tastes are broad enough so that doesn’t happen. (Lately, I’ve been listening to New Order a lot – English, popular during the 80s. It’s usually dance music, but the lyrics are also very good – not your typical Top 40 stuff.)
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In article <none-2508982214000…@cs133632-a.cgws1.ab.wave.home.com>, – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Urbanite Anonymous wrote: > I am the son > and the heir > of a shyness that is criminally vulgar > I am the son > and the heir > of nothing in particular > You shut your mouth > how can you say > I go about things the wrong way > I am human and need to be loved > Just like everybody else does > There’s a club, if you’d like to go > you could meet somebody who really loves you > so you go, and you stand on your own > and you leave on your own > and you go home, and you cry > and you want to die > when you say it’s gonna happen "now" > well, when exactly do you mean? > see I’ve already waited too long > and all my hope is gone. > "How Soon Is Now" by the Smiths
Great song. I never really paid much attention to the words. I would buy the CD but I don’t think I like their other stuff. It used to be played a lot at a "dance" club here in Boston–which is kind of ironic if you consider that most of the people there are *not* shy. Bryan.
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In article <VA.0000003d.004d45d5@lnc>, bryan <l…@sprintmail.com> wrote: >In article <none-2508982214000…@cs133632-a.cgws1.ab.wave.home.com>, >Urbanite Anonymous wrote: >Great song. I never really paid much attention to the words. I would >buy the CD but I don’t think I like their other stuff. It used to be >played a lot at a "dance" club here in Boston–which is kind of ironic >if you consider that most of the people there are *not* shy.
I have an MP3 of it played live (National Ballroom, Kilburn, London, October 23, 1986) if anyone’s interested (and can handle a 5.5 MB file for download via e-mail ) Or I can give a reference for where to download it (much easier.)
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>I am the son >and the heir >of nothing in particular
Have I heard this phrase somewhere else before? It seems familiar…. can’t recall… argh! :) — wakefi…@hotmail.com
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> Shoop-u-wah, baby! Get us in the backseat and we’ll show you how shy we > are. Cheer up, urbanite!
Promise? Anyways…….Thanks for a laugh, and that lovely song which is now stuck in my head!?! ***Urbanite Anonymous***
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -bryan <l…@sprintmail.com> wrote: >In article <none-2508982214000…@cs133632-a.cgws1.ab.wave.home.com>, >Urbanite Anonymous wrote: >> I am the son >> and the heir >> of a shyness that is criminally vulgar >> I am the son >> and the heir >> of nothing in particular >> You shut your mouth >> how can you say >> I go about things the wrong way >> I am human and need to be loved >> Just like everybody else does >> There’s a club, if you’d like to go >> you could meet somebody who really loves you >> so you go, and you stand on your own >> and you leave on your own >> and you go home, and you cry >> and you want to die >> when you say it’s gonna happen "now" >> well, when exactly do you mean? >> see I’ve already waited too long >> and all my hope is gone. >> "How Soon Is Now" by the Smiths >Great song. I never really paid much attention to the words. I would >buy the CD but I don’t think I like their other stuff. It used to be >played a lot at a "dance" club here in Boston–which is kind of ironic >if you consider that most of the people there are *not* shy.
It also seems ironic coming from people in a pop group who by the nature of that business have to deal with a lot of people and perform on stage. — Dene Bebbington http://www.bebbo.demon.co.uk "Beside the braes of dawn. One clear new morning. Down where the lilies stood in bloom. I knew that I was just a stranger in this world. A wind just passing through." – Calum & Rory Macdonald (Runrig)
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Someone wrote: >And as for the song written by Morissey and the Smiths, I really don’t >like it. I find it gloomy and depressive, like there’s no way out of >shyness, and that shyness is like a prison. Nah, I prefer Bananarama
Being no Smiths-fan at all,I happen to like this particular song. Not so much for the lyrics.More for the sound of it. But then,I don’t care much for lyrics after all.I find that today’s songwriters rely too much on lyrics to convey emotions,while the universal language of music is not used by them to it’s fullest. So far it’s only in the classical and ambient genre that I’ve heard great examples of this… R.M. rmylle(at)village(dot)uunet(dot)be http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Sands/3655/index.html ICQ:15580692
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Ah, The Smiths. Great song writer! Only Richard Ashcroft of The Verve comes close with melancoly tales of lost love and depression. Urbanite Anonymous <n…@all.com> >I am human and need to be loved >Just like everybody else does
Isn’t this so true, and isn’t it amazing how people can just ignore this fact. It’s like the girl this week who dumped me (with of course the obligatory "if things went any further it would spoil a great friendship, you’re to special to me for that"). I said to her that sometimes I wanted more than friends. That I was fed up with every potential relationship ending with "let’s stay as friends". Of course, she didn’t understand. I asked her to picture it from a different point of view, and I asked her to imagine that every guy she ever met and fell for, eventually showed her very little love, and only ever wanted to use her to talk things through (usually dumping all their problems on someone who would listen). Of course, being a very attractive girl (every guy’s dream girlfriend, from the looks point of view at least), she wasn’t at all used to people not wanting to show her love, and she just gave me a blank look, that told me "she thinks you’re an idiot". But I think the most overwhelming of human emotions, and probably the feeling that best builds confidence, is that feeling of being loved by someone special, and being able to give just as much love back. Just to think that someone cares about you, and at that stage in their life, there’s no-one more important to them than you. It’s happened to me so rarely in life, that I’ve almost forgotten what a rush of good feelings it brings. Of course, it may be a selfish feeling to want, but confident guys never have a problem achieving this state of nirvana. Just never me. I still like to look positively forward. Each time it happens, I think "well, I got further this time, I know this girl at some point did actually at least actually fancy me, and want me". I mean, this time even my usually dodgy first impression blew her away completely. It’s after then that things went down hill. Sadly, I’ve still got this feeling in the back of my mind that says "you’re never going to experience true love". How I wish someone would someday prove me wrong. Anyway, to end things off on a brighter note, and talking of songs? Has anyone been watching that Southpark cartoon. I’ve fallen for the Chef character, and his brilliant songs (played by Isaac Hayes). He’s just about everything that’s opposite of The Smiths. Like for instance (sung to the melody of Michael Jackson’s Thriller)… If you’re feeling down and want cheering up, download his songs (in MP3 format) from www.southparkcows.com! Steve.
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I am the son and the heir of a shyness that is criminally vulgar I am the son and the heir of nothing in particular You shut your mouth how can you say I go about things the wrong way I am human and need to be loved Just like everybody else does There’s a club, if you’d like to go you could meet somebody who really loves you so you go, and you stand on your own and you leave on your own and you go home, and you cry and you want to die when you say it’s gonna happen "now" well, when exactly do you mean? see I’ve already waited too long and all my hope is gone. "How Soon Is Now" by the Smiths
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ray (carbi…@gte.net) wrote:
: "Shy Boy" – Banarama : : That’s a little more upbeat and positive now, isn’t it? Goes to show : you that not all people have such a negative view of shy people. : Shoop-u-wah, baby! Get us in the backseat and we’ll show you how shy we : are. Cheer up, urbanite! So shy guys make really good lovers, eh? I’ll go for that In all seriousness, I wouldn’t doubt it, as I’m sure that shy people could make the experience last long, drawn out, and sensual. And as for the song written by Morissey and the Smiths, I really don’t like it. I find it gloomy and depressive, like there’s no way out of shyness, and that shyness is like a prison. Nah, I prefer Bananarama Steve.
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In article <6s0gcb$d5…@garfield.vcn.bc.ca>, Steve Ruelle <sr…@vcn.bc.ca> wrote: >ray (carbi…@gte.net) wrote: >: "Shy Boy" – Banarama >: >: That’s a little more upbeat and positive now, isn’t it? Goes to show >: you that not all people have such a negative view of shy people. >: Shoop-u-wah, baby! Get us in the backseat and we’ll show you how shy we >: are. Cheer up, urbanite! >So shy guys make really good lovers, eh? I’ll go for that In all >seriousness, I wouldn’t doubt it, as I’m sure that shy people could make >the experience last long, drawn out, and sensual.
I think I could do that… after I got past the first few attempts… >And as for the song written by Morissey and the Smiths, I really don’t >like it. I find it gloomy and depressive, like there’s no way out of >shyness, and that shyness is like a prison. Nah, I prefer Bananarama
I used to listen to the Smiths song incessantly back when I was "worse" – it might be "depressing." but it’s one of the few songs I’ve ever heard that adequately encapsulates the feelings of alienation, etc., that can happen at that point (really bad shyness/loneliness). It’s actually rather interesting – I have a recording of the song played live, and when you put those lyrics against the driving, late-60’s-Rolling-Stones-y type music the song has, it, strangely enough, sounds more defiant and even uplifting than anything else – not really that depressing. Sort of like "emotional class warfare" or something. I guess everyone’s mileage may vary, naturally. Besides, the Smiths did some very nice breezy innocuous stuff too, so you can take them off the hook. (If anyone happens to remember, no, I never went out that Friday night – one of the people going got sick, so the whole thing was canceled. I must now sit around and wait for school to start again. Arrgh. )
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I don’t mean to sound like "the church lady," but here goes: He used to be a shy boy Until I made him my boy I never missed a heart beat Just sitting in the back seat, yeah I’m gonna give him all my love Each and every night One thing I’m always dreaming of I wanna squeeze and hold him tight But don’t it make you feel good (shoop shoop aah) And don’t it make you feel good (shoop shoop aah) Don’t it make you feel good (shoop shoop aah) And don’t it make you feel good Every minute we’re together Seems to last forever He knows about a good time Gonna make him all mine (all mine) He gives me loving like nobody else I like the way he turns me on I’m gonna keep him all to myself If my heart could be that strong But dont it make you (shoop shoop aah) But dont it make you (shoop shoop aah) (chorus repeat fade) "Shy Boy" – Banarama That’s a little more upbeat and positive now, isn’t it? Goes to show you that not all people have such a negative view of shy people. Shoop-u-wah, baby! Get us in the backseat and we’ll show you how shy we are. Cheer up, urbanite! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Urbanite Anonymous wrote: > I am the son > and the heir > of a shyness that is criminally vulgar > I am the son > and the heir > of nothing in particular > You shut your mouth > how can you say > I go about things the wrong way > I am human and need to be loved > Just like everybody else does > There’s a club, if you’d like to go > you could meet somebody who really loves you > so you go, and you stand on your own > and you leave on your own > and you go home, and you cry > and you want to die > when you say it’s gonna happen "now" > well, when exactly do you mean? > see I’ve already waited too long > and all my hope is gone. > "How Soon Is Now" by the Smiths
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Barry <bcal…@actrix.co.nz> wrote: > Well, they have done other songs you know – I’m no expert on what > they’ve done – saw the single from Black Market Music on TV, liked it. > I was struck, when I put the CD in my laptop, how reminiscent of REM > they were.
I dont’ see the similarity with REM. I don’t have to turn the radio off when I hear their other songs but I still don’t like them. Which song(s) sound like REM? Beckie
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On 5 Feb 2001 11:48:27 GMT, becki…@my-deja.com wrote: [Placebo] >I dont’ see the similarity with REM. I don’t have to turn the radio off >when I hear their other songs but I still don’t like them. Which song(s) >sound like REM?
Maybe its just the way my laptop makes it sound, but when I play Black Market Music, I think "that reminds me of REM". But then I finally played some REM the other day, and I was going "is this really REM" to myself. barry Don’t you want me any more? Don’t you love me any more? ["Lydia" Fur Patrol - there is no cooler New Zealand band.]
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Barry <bcal…@actrix.co.nz> wrote: > Maybe its just the way my laptop makes it sound, but when I play Black > Market Music, I think "that reminds me of REM". But then I finally > played some REM the other day, and I was going "is this really REM" to > myself.
Maybe your categories are like mine I always go to describe stuff as similar to other things and then realise, hang on they’re completely different. Beckie
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On 02 Feb 2001 21:56:41 GMT, trance…@aol.com (Trance909) wrote: [On Placebo] >Well, if you believe accounts of the tour after their first album, when they >reportedly left "a trail of blood and spunk across North America," they are >probably not shy.
Over-compensating? Just kidding actually. > Of course, they were on who knows what drugs, probably all of >them…….hehe! I do believe that Brian Molko is at least an introvert, given >that there are a few songs where he flat out mentions introversion ("I’ve >always been an introvert"), and many others dealing with similar themes. I’ve >never seen them live, though.
He’s got an interesting look – gender unspecific, almost masked – could indicate intorversion. > They don’t come to Miami too often. I’ve never >even heard them on the radio down here, I’m probably their only fan in South >Florida…….LOL
Interesting – how did you come across them if they don’t get airplay? barry Don’t you want me any more? Don’t you love me any more? ["Lydia" Fur Patrol - there is no cooler New Zealand band.]
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On 3 Feb 2001 00:01:47 GMT, becki…@my-deja.com wrote: >Not really, maybe it was just their first single that I really couldn’t >stand and I’ve avoided them ever since. I can’t remember what that song >was, though, oh now I do, yick! I don’t really like the speaking kind of >style of singing.
Well, they have done other songs you know – I’m no expert on what they’ve done – saw the single from Black Market Music on TV, liked it. I was struck, when I put the CD in my laptop, how reminiscent of REM they were. >They just have the same effect on me as fingernails down a blackboard, >just like Eminem, Korn and Limp Bizkit, I hope I haven’t offended your >musical taste even further
Hmm – well I agree with you in these ones, Beckie. barry Don’t you want me any more? Don’t you love me any more? ["Lydia" Fur Patrol - there is no cooler New Zealand band.]
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Trance909 <trance…@aol.com> wrote: >>Smashing Pumkins (kind of) and if there was >>another band mentioned as being similar, that one too, but I HATE Placebo! >>They’re one of the few bands that make me actually want to turn the radio >>off until their song is over. > <<gasp>> beckie you’re killing me here……..LOL why do you dislike them? Is > it the guy’s voice you are having a hard time with?
Not really, maybe it was just their first single that I really couldn’t stand and I’ve avoided them ever since. I can’t remember what that song was, though, oh now I do, yick! I don’t really like the speaking kind of style of singing. They just have the same effect on me as fingernails down a blackboard, just like Eminem, Korn and Limp Bizkit, I hope I haven’t offended your musical taste even further Beckie
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>Smashing Pumkins (kind of) and if there was >another band mentioned as being similar, that one too, but I HATE Placebo! >They’re one of the few bands that make me actually want to turn the radio >off until their song is over.
<<gasp>> beckie you’re killing me here……..LOL why do you dislike them? Is it the guy’s voice you are having a hard time with?
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>Yep – recently acquired Black Market Music after noticing them on TV – >actually got to go and see them live a couple of weeks ago. Didn’t >quite move me in the same way live, somehow – maybe they’re shy as >well?
Well, if you believe accounts of the tour after their first album, when they reportedly left "a trail of blood and spunk across North America," they are probably not shy. Of course, they were on who knows what drugs, probably all of them…….hehe! I do believe that Brian Molko is at least an introvert, given that there are a few songs where he flat out mentions introversion ("I’ve always been an introvert"), and many others dealing with similar themes. I’ve never seen them live, though. They don’t come to Miami too often. I’ve never even heard them on the radio down here, I’m probably their only fan in South Florida…….LOL
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Barry <bcal…@actrix.co.nz> wrote: > On 31 Jan 2001 05:03:48 GMT, kitzneg…@aol.com (Kitznegari and the > Infinite Sadness) wrote: >>Ooo… love the Cure… never heard of Placebo though. Since we have such >>similar musical tastes, maybe I’ll give it a rub > As well as the other similarities mentioned, there are also REM-ish > moments, if that helps.
Strange, I like REM, the Cure, Smashing Pumkins (kind of) and if there was another band mentioned as being similar, that one too, but I HATE Placebo! They’re one of the few bands that make me actually want to turn the radio off until their song is over. Beckie
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>Agreed. Adore was NEVER given the credit it deserves artistically, and >Machina >1 AND 2 are genius… ever hear "White Spyder?" Genius.
I haven’t. As of yet, I haven’t been able to be bothered to download the Machina 2 stuff. I WANT it, don’t get me wrong……it’s just that music takes so freaking long for me to download. It would take me the better part of an entire day to download Machina 2 in its entirety. I respect Corgan’s decision to release it for free on the internet……but to be honest, I’d really rather just drive over to Best Buy and hand over $12.99 for it…….I’d rather spend the money and get a nice prepackaged copy than spend all day online attempting an excruciating series of downloads, not to mention burning it to CD after converting each MP3 to .wav. I really have a hard time believing that downloading is the future of music. Unless we all have DSL or T3 connections, it’s just too cumbersome. Also, the majority of MP3s I’ve ever heard are of extremely poor sound quality! >Ooo… love the Cure… never heard of Placebo though. Since we have such >similar musical tastes, maybe I’ll give it a rub
Go for it, I strongly suggest it. Check out "Without You I’m Nothing" first, their second album. Patrick
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On 31 Jan 2001 05:03:48 GMT, kitzneg…@aol.com (Kitznegari and the Infinite Sadness) wrote: >Ooo… love the Cure… never heard of Placebo though. Since we have such >similar musical tastes, maybe I’ll give it a rub
As well as the other similarities mentioned, there are also REM-ish moments, if that helps. barry Don’t you want me any more? Don’t you love me any more? ["Not Your Girl" Fur Patrol - there is no cooler New Zealand band.]
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On 31 Jan 2001 02:16:33 GMT, trance…@aol.com (Trance909) wrote: >Today I had a Placebo marathon. If you are an introvert and you like the >pumpkins, or if you think the Cure might sound pretty cool with a tinge of >punk, it would behoove you to listen to these guys.
Yep – recently acquired Black Market Music after noticing them on TV – actually got to go and see them live a couple of weeks ago. Didn’t quite move me in the same way live, somehow – maybe they’re shy as well? barry Don’t you want me any more? Don’t you love me any more? ["Not Your Girl" Fur Patrol - there is no cooler New Zealand band.]
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>>I don’t think one can get a more introverted performer than Thom >>Yorke…..Billy Corgan seems like he’d understand my situation, too. >Indeed. I admire both of them for being so gut wrenchingly honest.
I had a bit of a Pumpkins marathon going here in my room last night. I hadn’t listened to Mellon Collie….. in a while; wow, what a (double) album. Even though I’ve heard it a million times, I still find new, interesting things in there, whether musically or lyrically. The album runs the gamut of emotions, from angry punk to saccharine love song, and I can still relate to most of what he’s trying to say. I also think Machina and Adore are wonderful, seriously underrated albums. I only wish that BC had not done the rock-martyr thing and split the band up……I hope he’s not throwing in the musical towel forever. I wouldn’t mind seeing a solo effort from him. Today I had a Placebo marathon. If you are an introvert and you like the pumpkins, or if you think the Cure might sound pretty cool with a tinge of punk, it would behoove you to listen to these guys.
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Trance said: >I had a bit of a Pumpkins marathon going here in my room last night. I hadn’t >listened to Mellon Collie….. in a while; wow, what a (double) album. Even >though I’ve heard it a million times, I still find new, interesting things in >there, whether musically or lyrically.
That is the most brilliant part about it. Corgan’s voice just slays me all the way to hell and back. >The album runs the gamut of emotions, >from angry punk to saccharine love song, and I can still relate to most of >what >he’s trying to say.
It’s like he took everything that I’d ever meant to say and did it for me… there are so few people that illustrate it so perfectly. >I also think Machina and Adore are wonderful, seriously >underrated albums.
Agreed. Adore was NEVER given the credit it deserves artistically, and Machina 1 AND 2 are genius… ever hear "White Spyder?" Genius. >I only wish that BC had not done the rock-martyr thing and >split the band up……I hope he’s not throwing in the musical towel forever.
I’d be shocked if we didn’t see a solo project or new band of his in the next few years. He’s too hyper-productive to ever let it go. >I wouldn’t mind seeing a solo effort from him.
Me neither… he’s done several movie soundtracks, on of which is Stigmata… I don’t own it yet, but thought the movie was brilliant anyway. >Today I had a Placebo marathon. If you are an introvert and you like the >pumpkins, or if you think the Cure might sound pretty cool with a tinge of >punk, it would behoove you to listen to these guys.
Ooo… love the Cure… never heard of Placebo though. Since we have such similar musical tastes, maybe I’ll give it a rub – k i t z – i’m your lover, i’m your zero i’m the face in your dreams of glass… The newest version of my site is currently in production! see what’s happening at: http://home.talkcity.com/OceanBlvd/kitznegari
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>I think it’s great stuff but it’s not something I play now and I don’t really >think like that anymore.
Whether you play it or not, surely you must admit that depressing pop music always seems to have more musical integrity than the positive feel-good stuff? Even if you snapped your fingers and magically cured me of shyness tomorrow, I’d still favor angst-ridden music.
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On 31 Jan 2001 00:20:34 GMT, Trance909 wrote: > >I think it’s great stuff but it’s not something I play now and I don’t really > >think like that anymore. > Whether you play it or not, surely you must admit that depressing pop music > always seems to have more musical integrity than the positive feel-good stuff? > Even if you snapped your fingers and magically cured me of shyness tomorrow, > I’d still favor angst-ridden music.
Yeah, case in point: Morrissey sucks now, because he’s too ‘happy.’ — headbeat
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I got into the Smiths when I was in my mid twenties. I loved the lyrics, it was the first time I had read anything that summed up my feelings at the time. My all time favourite lyric is "I know it’s over", the bit were he sings : " If Your so funny then why do you sleep alone tonight ?" and "Love is natural and real and not for you or me " I think it’s great stuff but it’s not something I play now and I don’t really think like that anymore.
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>I haven’t listened to The Smiths since I wore all the music off of my >cassette of "Strangeways here we come". But it is exactly that ability to >take a black subject and marry it to merry melody that I find irresistible >about them.
Agreed. The same can also apply to New Order, the Pet Shop Boys, and their spawn, Electronic.
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Trance said: >I don’t think one can get a more introverted performer than Thom >Yorke…..Billy Corgan seems like he’d understand my situation, too.
Indeed. I admire both of them for being so gut wrenchingly honest. – k i t z – i’m your lover, i’m your zero i’m the face in your dreams of glass… The newest version of my site is currently in production! see what’s happening at: http://home.talkcity.com/OceanBlvd/kitznegari
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"Mel Matsuoka" <melor…@nospam.gov> wrote in message
news:b6mc7tc1adiumkr4cc6f8p2vna01j1pkjr@4ax.com… <snip> > I’ve always been in awe of the crafty and interesting ways in which he > expresses what would otherwise be mega-depressing subjects. And I love how > insidious they get sometimes by pairing dreadfully sad lyrics with upbeat and > happy sounding music ("Heaven Knows I’m Miserable Now" being one of the best > examples of this).
I haven’t listened to The Smiths since I wore all the music off of my cassette of "Strangeways here we come". But it is exactly that ability to take a black subject and marry it to merry melody that I find irresistible about them. IMHO, the best example of this is "Unhappy Birthday". I just love that song. Jason
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I am the son and the heir of a shyness that is criminally vulgar I am the son and heir of nothing in particular You shut your mouth how can you say I go about things the wrong way I am human and I need to be loved Just like everybody else does There’s a club if you’d like to go you could meet somebody who really loves you so you go, and you stand on your own and you leave on your own and you go home, and you cry and you want to die When you say it’s gonna happen "now" well, when exactly do you mean? see I’ve already waited too long and all my hope is gone. — headbeat
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -On Mon, 29 Jan 2001 14:22:24 -0800, headbeat <j…@psnw.com.nospam> wrote: >I am the son >and the heir >of a shyness that is criminally vulgar >I am the son and heir >of nothing in particular >You shut your mouth >how can you say >I go about things the wrong way >I am human and I need to be loved >Just like everybody else does >There’s a club if you’d like to go >you could meet somebody who really loves you >so you go, and you stand on your own >and you leave on your own >and you go home, and you cry >and you want to die >When you say it’s gonna happen "now" >well, when exactly do you mean? >see I’ve already waited too long >and all my hope is gone.
That is such a great song. Morrissey & Marr are true musical geniuses. It’s funny though, even though the Smiths are probably one of my top-5 favorite bands of all time, I have never been able to identify with the "darkness" of Morrissey’s lyrics like most people I know who are really into the Smiths. But still, I’ve always been in awe of the crafty and interesting ways in which he expresses what would otherwise be mega-depressing subjects. And I love how insidious they get sometimes by pairing dreadfully sad lyrics with upbeat and happy sounding music ("Heaven Knows I’m Miserable Now" being one of the best examples of this). People at work always find it odd that I listen to The Smiths, I guess because I don’t wear black clothes all the time and dont walk around in a depressed stupor all the time…heh. I think its so funny when people ask if me I’m "feeling alright", whenever I play Smiths songs all day at work, and singing along to lyrics like "And if a double decker bus kills the both of us…to die by your side is such a heavenly way to die…" 
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>People at work always find it odd that I listen to The Smiths, I guess >because I >don’t wear black clothes all the time and dont walk around in a depressed >stupor >all the time…heh. I think its so funny when people ask if me I’m "feeling >alright", whenever I play Smiths songs all day at work, and singing along to >lyrics like "And if a double decker bus kills the both of us…to die by your >side is such a heavenly way to die…"
I love The Smiths. All those songs really have some resonance with me, even if I don’t know what the hell he’s singing about like in "Girlfriend In A Coma." For more modern bands, the Pumpkins and Radiohead cut pretty close to the bone for me, too. I don’t think one can get a more introverted performer than Thom Yorke…..Billy Corgan seems like he’d understand my situation, too.
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