I want to die. Now.
Question:
Sage advice, Not everyone is capable or mentally prepared to have the full experience, for some it’s just the action, but even that can have good effects. Out of curiosity, how many times have you done this?
Response:
Good plan!! I think I’ll just skip the tofu and avacados, though, if you don’t mind. 
Judy In <34FC6A1B….@kodiak.tetd.bellcore.com> Miriam Hidalgo – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<hida…@kodiak.tetd.bellcore.com> writes: >Larld wrote: >> I want to die now. >> Dont feel sorry for me. >> I just want to re-do everything. >> Like re-booting a computer. >> I wont really die. >> It will just be a new beginning. >> FUCK CARMA!!! >Many cultures support the concept of "ritual death". In the belief that >new things can’t enter one’s life unless old (un-needed, un-healthy, >un-happy) things leave and make room. >They’ve put together a process to let go of old junk (pain, fear, shame, >whatever…). Now they have space to allow new things into their lives. >Since I’m not about to hang myself from hooks or fast for 15 days in a >desert, I’ve kept the concept and modifed the process to my culture. >What I’ve done previously when it’s time for a new life – is to write out >all the stuff/baggage/garbage/junk/fear that I don’t want to carry with >me any longer. Usually pages and pages and pages… >As nature abhors a vaccum, I think of what I want to replace the old >stuff with (pride replacing shame, love replacing anger, courage >replacing fear, etc.). More pages and pages and pages… >Then I make a fire (a candle or habachi or top of the stove or outside >campfire). Fire is transformative (wood + fire = ashes + smoke). >I read the pages and drop them in the flames. As the pages are burning >I say my "thank-you’s" to the junk for being with me (if I didn’t need >it, it would not have been in my life) and teaching me ….. (whatever >it was that I learned from the junk) and say good-bye. This is often >accompanied by many tears, some wailing, etc. – I’m sure you get the >picture… >Then I read aloud the replacement pages for whichever trait has just >become nothing but floating cinders. And say thank-you for the new >stuff coming into my life. These pages I keep! >When *all* the old junk is burned up – I clean up the burnt cinders & >ashes and thow it in the garbage (where it belongs). Then I get into >some water (shower,bath,pond,lake,pool – whatever) and wash/rinse off >the old emotional muck and watch it float away (or down the drain)… >I also get rid of old clothing, jewelrey, music, books, picture – >things that I strongly associate with the old emotions/situations. I >drop things off at the local battered women’s shelter or cancer society >thrift shop, or salvation army. Let someone else get some use from them. >The only negative connection is in *my* associations with these things. >Then it’s time to celebrate! Put on wonderful music and dance around > the house, go for a walk, read a great book, eat something wonderful >(tofu & avacado’s!!!!!), call a friend, write some poetry, pet your dog, >lay in the grass and watch the clouds… >Just a suggestion… >Miriam
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Many cultures support the concept of "ritual death". In the belief that >new things can’t enter one’s life unless old (un-needed, un-healthy, >un-happy) things leave and make room. >They’ve put together a process to let go of old junk (pain, fear, shame, >whatever…). Now they have space to allow new things into their lives. >Since I’m not about to hang myself from hooks or fast for 15 days in a >desert, I’ve kept the concept and modifed the process to my culture. >What I’ve done previously when it’s time for a new life – is to write out >all the stuff/baggage/garbage/junk/fear that I don’t want to carry with >me any longer. Usually pages and pages and pages… >As nature abhors a vaccum, I think of what I want to replace the old >stuff with (pride replacing shame, love replacing anger, courage >replacing fear, etc.). More pages and pages and pages… >Then I make a fire (a candle or habachi or top of the stove or outside >campfire). Fire is transformative (wood + fire = ashes + smoke). >I read the pages and drop them in the flames. As the pages are burning >I say my "thank-you’s" to the junk for being with me (if I didn’t need >it, it would not have been in my life) and teaching me ….. (whatever >it was that I learned from the junk) and say good-bye. This is often >accompanied by many tears, some wailing, etc. – I’m sure you get the >picture… >Then I read aloud the replacement pages for whichever trait has just >become nothing but floating cinders. And say thank-you for the new >stuff coming into my life. These pages I keep! >When *all* the old junk is burned up – I clean up the burnt cinders & >ashes and thow it in the garbage (where it belongs). Then I get into >some water (shower,bath,pond,lake,pool – whatever) and wash/rinse off >the old emotional muck and watch it float away (or down the drain)… >I also get rid of old clothing, jewelrey, music, books, picture – >things that I strongly associate with the old emotions/situations. I >drop things off at the local battered women’s shelter or cancer society >thrift shop, or salvation army. Let someone else get some use from them. >The only negative connection is in *my* associations with these things. >Then it’s time to celebrate! Put on wonderful music and dance around > the house, go for a walk, read a great book, eat something wonderful >(tofu & avacado’s!!!!!), call a friend, write some poetry, pet your dog, >lay in the grass and watch the clouds… >Just a suggestion… >Miriam
Neat idea, Miriam. I like it. Seems to me doing something like this would actually probably motivate you to make changes more than just sitting on the couch saying ‘I’ll do it tomorrow’ like most of us procratinators do. At the very least, you end up donating some junk to charity. Please feel free to come back with more insights and ideas. I’m looking forward to hearing them. m.j.
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In article <34FC6A1B….@kodiak.tetd.bellcore.com> hida…@kodiak.tetd.bellcore.com "Miriam Hidalgo" writes: > Many cultures support the concept of "ritual death". In the belief that > new things can’t enter one’s life unless old (un-needed, un-healthy, > un-happy) things leave and make room.
[ details snipped for brevity ] > Then it’s time to celebrate! Put on wonderful music and dance around > the house, go for a walk, read a great book, eat something wonderful > (tofu & avacado’s!!!!!), call a friend, write some poetry, pet your dog, > lay in the grass and watch the clouds… > Just a suggestion…
Interesting. Two questions spring to mind. How frequently do you go through this ritual and how successful is it? In my experience things from the past don’t let themselves be offloaded quite so easily. But if it works for you then good on yer! — Chris
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Lawarance, right? I’ll help in any way I can. I hope that you are just letting off steam. The the way you are feeling is not new, I’ve been down the same road. You can become a well person if only you want to. Please let us know what your problems are and to-gether we will over-come. A little corny I know. *We do care or we wouldn’t respond. Let us help, the people here are caring and giving. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Larld wrote in message <34f67e62.412…@news.primenet.com>… >I want to die now. >Dont feel sorry for me. >I just want to re-do everything. >Like re-booting a computer. >I wont really die. >It will just be a new beginning. >FUCK CARMA!!!
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>I want to die now. >Dont feel sorry for me. >I just want to re-do everything. >Like re-booting a computer. >I wont really die. >It will just be a new beginning. >FUCK CARMA!!!
The problem with posts like this is that you never know what is going through the person’s mind. He/she may be seeking help or may be taking the piss. Who knows. If you want help, ask. There are loads of people who would be happy to help you and give you advice and support. Ask and you shall receive.
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Larld wrote: > I want to die now. > Dont feel sorry for me. > I just want to re-do everything. > Like re-booting a computer. > I wont really die. > It will just be a new beginning. > FUCK CARMA!!!
Many cultures support the concept of "ritual death". In the belief that new things can’t enter one’s life unless old (un-needed, un-healthy, un-happy) things leave and make room. They’ve put together a process to let go of old junk (pain, fear, shame, whatever…). Now they have space to allow new things into their lives. Since I’m not about to hang myself from hooks or fast for 15 days in a desert, I’ve kept the concept and modifed the process to my culture. What I’ve done previously when it’s time for a new life – is to write out all the stuff/baggage/garbage/junk/fear that I don’t want to carry with me any longer. Usually pages and pages and pages… As nature abhors a vaccum, I think of what I want to replace the old stuff with (pride replacing shame, love replacing anger, courage replacing fear, etc.). More pages and pages and pages… Then I make a fire (a candle or habachi or top of the stove or outside campfire). Fire is transformative (wood + fire = ashes + smoke). I read the pages and drop them in the flames. As the pages are burning I say my "thank-you’s" to the junk for being with me (if I didn’t need it, it would not have been in my life) and teaching me ….. (whatever it was that I learned from the junk) and say good-bye. This is often accompanied by many tears, some wailing, etc. – I’m sure you get the picture… Then I read aloud the replacement pages for whichever trait has just become nothing but floating cinders. And say thank-you for the new stuff coming into my life. These pages I keep! When *all* the old junk is burned up – I clean up the burnt cinders & ashes and thow it in the garbage (where it belongs). Then I get into some water (shower,bath,pond,lake,pool – whatever) and wash/rinse off the old emotional muck and watch it float away (or down the drain)… I also get rid of old clothing, jewelrey, music, books, picture – things that I strongly associate with the old emotions/situations. I drop things off at the local battered women’s shelter or cancer society thrift shop, or salvation army. Let someone else get some use from them. The only negative connection is in *my* associations with these things. Then it’s time to celebrate! Put on wonderful music and dance around the house, go for a walk, read a great book, eat something wonderful (tofu & avacado’s!!!!!), call a friend, write some poetry, pet your dog, lay in the grass and watch the clouds… Just a suggestion… Miriam
Response:
Hi Libery…@aol.com (Larld) and all lurkers on alt.support.loneliness ! On 27 Feb 1998 02:03:01 -0700, You wrote: >I want to die now. >Dont feel sorry for me. >I just want to re-do everything. >Like re-booting a computer. >I wont really die. >It will just be a new beginning. >FUCK CARMA!!!
Time between rebirths, maybe, is measured in units of eternity … You might get "rebooted" as some oak tree on that forgotten graveyard, after a few dozen of years … or as the grass with which everyone cleans his muddy shoes when coming from a funeral, or as a bee … and some units of eternity later, maybe, if earth still exists, You will have the opportunity to become a human-alike being again … but seriously, who knows ? Nature is great, and You will become a part of it again. That’s all *my* belief says. I would strongly encourage You to make the best possible of Your *current* life, please … Thanks for listening, and for trying {{{ HUGS }}} , Walter
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>I want to die now. >Dont feel sorry for me.
Then what do you want from us? Give me something to work with here. m.j.
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Carma? Do you mean Karma? Karma is only as real as you believe it to be. You can start over. I used to say to a friend of mine: "Maybe I should do everything exactly the opposite of how I have been doing it to make things work." I finally did that. And it worked. mru "Perception is _everything_." ~LLDeMerle
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I want to die now. Dont feel sorry for me. I just want to re-do everything. Like re-booting a computer. I wont really die. It will just be a new beginning. FUCK CARMA!!!
Response:
Hello. Why do you want to die? And why are you coming to a lonliness support forum to tell us you are planning your own death? Maybe you feel you want support? Maybe you feel there is a chance you can overcome your struggles and live out the rest of your life in spite of them? I hope so. It sounds like you want to start over with a brand new life. I think when you come back you will have to go through the same things you are experiencing now. There’s no escaping it. I don’t mean to be cruel. I just hope you decide to face your conflicts. Please tell me, do you want support? If the answer is yes, we would be happy to give you feedback based on honesty. I wish you well.
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