Lonely Loneliness

IT DOESN'T MATTER

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"arie" wrote > Eleonore Beaudoin wrote > >"arie" (arie_@enschede_.com) writes: > >> Eleonore Beaudoin wrote > >>>> It doesn’t matter, she hates me too. > >>>Which does not matter, cause it’s all projection:) > >>>(is not everything on earth?) > >> Yes, it is. Everything depends on the point of view you take. If we can >  let go of comparison and identifying, it’s all the same, and nothing really > >> matters. Easy to say of course. The temptation to think dualistically is > >> very strong.

By saying "temptation to think dualistically" do you mean temptation to think for others? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Nothing wrong with thinking a bit for each other, i would say.. That’s > why i’m in this NG, actually. > >Is there such a thing as thinking dualistically? I mena, we wlays have > >many past expriences affecting the dorection of our thoughts…Where then > >it woudl be great if one coudl think *only* dualistically, woudl it not:) > Maybe i’d put it a little differently. It would be great if we could be able > to see the relationship between our thinking, and our past experiences, so > we would be more objective. See our own deviations, and "rise above" them in > order to get a clearer view. Thinking dualistically, i.e. in terms of rigid > right/wrong, can be an immense obstruction for objectivity. > >Everything is relative, in its own way, as someone almost sang… > >Little random thought: how about if the parallel worlds we sometimes think > >about all exist on one same zone called earth? How about if each and > >everyone of us is just one person, living all the differences of choices > >and all that Potential offers? And of course perceived like 6 billion > >poeple and growing towards 7…? > >If so, somewhere, you and I are a same person. Where then it does not > >matter much who projects what on who anymore anyway LOL:).Maybe we are > >just the screen of projections. Maybe that is just what three D is… > >Trapped and molded from pure energy, a-time and a-space, into matter by >  being > >entangled in projections, those we make and those "others" make….All one > >and same… > Makes a lot of sense.

Yes. I like the thinking. I might have put it a little differently, but it would amount to the same thing in the end. And both versions open up the way to questions. Many many questions.  Of course we see ourselves as separated beings, but > this separation can also be seen as something illusory.

Yes! And I think the illusory separation is the one that’s causing all the problems  The fact that we (or > at least some of us) can identify with other people is a good hint in this > direction. People who can’t identify with others, are more separated, people > who open themselves up to others, can be more integrated. So here’s a > ready-to-use cure for loneliness!! Just realize that separation is illusion,

I’m with you up to here… > et voila, we’re un-lonelied. Purely a matter of trust/faith. Don’t i make it > look easy?

Yes. Far too easy. Tell me more. Um, please. > Arie

- Michaela

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Eleonore Beaudoin wrote in message … >"arie" (arie_@enschede_.com) writes: >> Eleonore Beaudoin wrote in message … >>>> It doesn’t matter, she hates me too. >>>Which does not matter, cause it’s all projection:) >>>(is not everything on earth?) >> Yes, it is. Everything depends on the point of view you take. If we can let >> go of comparison and identifying, it’s all the same, and nothing really >> matters. Easy to say of course. The temptation to think dualistically is >> very strong. Goes for both of us, i guess. >Now now, you are thinking dualistically in thinking for both of us, now:)

Nothing wrong with thinking a bit for each other, i would say.. That’s why i’m in this NG, actually. >Is there such a thing as thinking dualistically? I mena, we wlays have >many past expriences affecting the dorection of our thoughts…Where then >it woudl be great if one coudl think *only* dualistically, woudl it not:)

Maybe i’d put it a little differently. It would be great if we could be able to see the relationship between our thinking, and our past experiences, so we would be more objective. See our own deviations, and "rise above" them in order to get a clearer view. Thinking dualistically, i.e. in terms of rigid right/wrong, can be an immense obstruction for objectivity. >Everything is relative, in its own way, as someone almost sang… >But if I say so, I project that onto the world, and then it is only projection >that the world project that I project that it does…..(Here, ahve soem of >my tylenols:))

LOL No thanks, i’ve got my own drugs:-) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Now, Let me take you down to…. >Strawberry field (where) >Nothign is real: >Little random thought: how about if the parallel worlds we sometimes think >about all exist on one same zone called earth? How about if each and >everyone of us is just one person, living all the differences of choices >and all that Potential offers? And of course perceived like 6 billion >poeple and growing towards 7…? >If so, somewhere, you and I are a same person. Where then it does not >matter much who projects what on who anymore anyway LOL:).Maybe we are >just the screen of projections. Maybe that is just what three D is… >Trapped and molded from pure energy, a-time and a-space, into matter by being >entangled in projections, those we make and those "others" make….All one >and same…

Makes a lot of sense. Of course we see ourselves as separated beings, but this separation can also be seen as something illusory. The fact that we (or at least some of us) can identify with other people is a good hint in this direction. People who can’t identify with others, are more separated, people who open themselves up to others, can be more integrated. So here’s a ready-to-use cure for loneliness!! Just realize that separation is illusion, et voila, we’re un-lonelied. Purely a matter of trust/faith. Don’t i make it look easy? > "Yippee, you can’t see me >But I can youuuuuuu" > Sid Barrett >;-)

There’s still something i want to say about us, i’ve been thinking a bit on this projection stuff, and it became very clear to me how i’ve always put my self-image in the hands of others. So i’ve been more concerned with other’s view on myself, than my own self-image. I’ve done this with you too. So in our communications, i’ve adapted myself to you, rather than just been myself. So i can kind of understand your reaction upon finding out about my hypocrisy. So much for self-criticism. To even things out, i would like to criticize the way you handle criticism, but i’m still a bit reluctant to do so, because of the way you handle criticism. Ah, well, it doesn’t matter because it’s all projection anyway:-) Arie

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Eleonore Beaudoin wrote in message … >> It doesn’t matter, she hates me too. >Which does not matter, cause it’s all projection:) >(is not everything on earth?)

Yes, it is. Everything depends on the point of view you take. If we can let go of comparison and identifying, it’s all the same, and nothing really matters. Easy to say of course. The temptation to think dualistically is very strong. Goes for both of us, i guess. Arie

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"arie" (arie_@enschede_.com) writes: > Eleonore Beaudoin wrote in message … >>> It doesn’t matter, she hates me too. >>Which does not matter, cause it’s all projection:) >>(is not everything on earth?) > Yes, it is. Everything depends on the point of view you take. If we can let > go of comparison and identifying, it’s all the same, and nothing really > matters. Easy to say of course. The temptation to think dualistically is > very strong. Goes for both of us, i guess.

Now now, you are thinking dualistically in thinking for both of us, now:) Is there such a thing as thinking dualistically? I mena, we wlays have many past expriences affecting the dorection of our thoughts…Where then it woudl be great if one coudl think *only* dualistically, woudl it not:) Everything is relative, in its own way, as someone almost sang… But if I say so, I project that onto the world, and then it is only projection that the world project that I project that it does…..(Here, ahve soem of my tylenols:)) Now, Let me take you down to…. Strawberry field (where) Nothign is real: Little random thought: how about if the parallel worlds we sometimes think about all exist on one same zone called earth? How about if each and everyone of us is just one person, living all the differences of choices and all that Potential offers? And of course perceived like 6 billion poeple and growing towards 7…? If so, somewhere, you and I are a same person. Where then it does not matter much who projects what on who anymore anyway LOL:).Maybe we are just the screen of projections. Maybe that is just what three D is… Trapped and molded from pure energy, a-time and a-space, into matter by being entangled in projections, those we make and those "others" make….All one and same…  "Yippee, you can’t see me But I can youuuuuuu"         Sid Barrett  > Arie —

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"Eleonore Beaudoin" <bc…@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message

news:b1mqc2$crb$1@freenet9.carleton.ca… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "%" (surfs@uniserve) writes: > > "Eleonore Beaudoin" <bc…@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message > > news:b1k9c8$7it$1@freenet9.carleton.ca… > >> "%" (surfs@uniserve) writes: > >> > "Eleonore Beaudoin" <bc…@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message > >> > news:b1jjfu$4j6$1@freenet9.carleton.ca… > >> >> "%" (surfs@uniserve) writes: > >> >> > so i don’t care > >> >> Or is it the other way around? When we donlt care, it does not matter? > >> >> — > >> > care , matter , matter , care , whatever , you hate me > >> It only matters if you care…. > >> — > >> i don’t > Well, there you go. > It does not matter that you think I hate you, then. > — > maybe to you it doesn’t

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"arie" (arie_@enschede_.com) writes: > % wrote in message … >>"Eleonore Beaudoin" <bc…@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message >>news:b1jjfu$4j6$1@freenet9.carleton.ca… >>> "%" (surfs@uniserve) writes: >>> > so i don’t care >>> Or is it the other way around? When we donlt care, it does not matter? >>> — >>care , matter , matter , care , whatever , you hate me > It doesn’t matter, she hates me too.

Which does not matter, cause it’s all projection:) (is not everything on earth?) C —

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -% wrote in message … >"Eleonore Beaudoin" <bc…@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message >news:b1jjfu$4j6$1@freenet9.carleton.ca… >> "%" (surfs@uniserve) writes: >> > so i don’t care >> Or is it the other way around? When we donlt care, it does not matter? >> — >care , matter , matter , care , whatever , you hate me

It doesn’t matter, she hates me too.

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"%" wrote > > i don’t

Of course you do!

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"Michaela" <michaelamackenzie05072…@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:3271bf15.0302030237.355d1b98@posting.google.com… > "%" wrote > > > i don’t > Of course you do!

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"%" (surfs@uniserve) writes: > "Eleonore Beaudoin" <bc…@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message > news:b1k9c8$7it$1@freenet9.carleton.ca… >> "%" (surfs@uniserve) writes: >> > "Eleonore Beaudoin" <bc…@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message >> > news:b1jjfu$4j6$1@freenet9.carleton.ca… >> >> "%" (surfs@uniserve) writes: >> >> > so i don’t care >> >> Or is it the other way around? When we donlt care, it does not matter? >> >> — >> > care , matter , matter , care , whatever , you hate me >> It only matters if you care…. >> — >> i don’t

Well, there you go. It does not matter that you think I hate you, then. —

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"Eleonore Beaudoin" <bc…@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message

news:b1k9c8$7it$1@freenet9.carleton.ca… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "%" (surfs@uniserve) writes: > > "Eleonore Beaudoin" <bc…@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message > > news:b1jjfu$4j6$1@freenet9.carleton.ca… > >> "%" (surfs@uniserve) writes: > >> > so i don’t care > >> Or is it the other way around? When we donlt care, it does not matter? > >> — > > care , matter , matter , care , whatever , you hate me > It only matters if you care…. > — > i don’t

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"%" (surfs@uniserve) writes: > "Eleonore Beaudoin" <bc…@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message > news:b1jjfu$4j6$1@freenet9.carleton.ca… >> "%" (surfs@uniserve) writes: >> > so i don’t care >> Or is it the other way around? When we donlt care, it does not matter? >> — > care , matter , matter , care , whatever , you hate me

It only matters if you care…. —

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so i don’t care

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"%" (surfs@uniserve) writes: > so i don’t care

Or is it the other way around? When we donlt care, it does not matter? —

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"Eleonore Beaudoin" <bc…@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message

news:b1jjfu$4j6$1@freenet9.carleton.ca… > "%" (surfs@uniserve) writes: > > so i don’t care > Or is it the other way around? When we donlt care, it does not matter? > —

care , matter , matter , care , whatever , you hate me

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