She gathers wool or does she?????
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Can you put the icing on the cake and tell us where the expression, "You, can’t pull the wool over her eyes" (because she is smarter), came from?
AAARRGGHHHHH — the origin of this expression was discussed during the "Connections" series by James Burke (I think) sometime in the last few years. I can distinctly hear old James saying… "Hence the expression ‘pulling the wool over one’s eyes’." I was totally fascinated by the explaination but now — of course — can not remember what it was. Someone out there must know the origin — please explain it for us. CiaoMeow ^;;^< PAX, Tia Mary ^;;^< Angels can’t show their wings on earth but nothing was ever said about their WHISKERS!!
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The Discussion here jhad to do with Sahatnez, the Fobidinng of using Wool mixesd with flax in one cloth for Jews, And the suumption of some peoplthat if the Bible says tthis Super House wife , could work both , that she somehow breaks the jewish law. mirjam
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Hee Fred Did you ever try to rotate a bucket Full of water very quickly !!!!! as long as it rotates the water will have no chance to Fall out even when bucket is upside down ,,,,,,, so your idea about the oceans flying away into space , once and if earth stops is relevat Huray for You. But have you ever walked a long desert walk, with aheavy Rucksack ……. i promise you after you climb dune number 21, sand fills your sghoes and cements slowly mwith your pouring sweat , the water in your bottle tastes like sand ,,,,, than you might swaer that the Sun in fact stands stillll . and evening never will come again,,, mirjam
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Can you put the icing on the cake and tell us where the expression, "You, can’t pull the wool over her eyes" (because she is smarter), came from? AAARRGGHHHHH — the origin of this expression was discussed during the "Connections" series by James Burke (I think) sometime in the last few years. I can distinctly hear old James saying… "Hence the expression ‘pulling the wool over one’s eyes’." I was totally fascinated by the explaination but now — of course — can not remember what it was. Someone out there must know the origin — please explain it for us. CiaoMeow ^;;^< PAX, Tia Mary ^;;^< Angels can’t show their wings on earth but nothing was ever said about their WHISKERS!!
It comes from the days when judges wore those powdered wool wigs. Robbers discovered that if they pulled the wig down then their victim was temporarily blinded, hence the term "pulling the wool over ones eyes". — Lonewolf What is man without the beasts? If all the beasts were gone, man would die from a great loneliness of the spirit. For whatever happens to the beasts soon happens to man. – Chief Seattle – http://malarky.udel.edu/~craun
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Yet with the same scientific conviction they teach that the Sun does in fact appear to stand still for two days of the year. June 21 and Dec 21.
More than scientific conviction, it is also quite a simple observation, and is quite different from the sun not going down for two days. They are observing that the rising and setting points do not move on the horizon. This observation is recognized at Stonehenge and many other sites around the world. However, the scientist are saying that if the sun had stood still and there fore the earth had stopped turning, there would have indeed been a lot of distruction. As someone else mentioned you only have to swing a bucket of water around your head to simulate gravity. The water stays in the bottom on the bucket because the outward force keeps it in the bucket, even when the bucket is tilted on its side. The bible was written in a time when scientific knowledge was not widespread. Among other things it states that pi=3. The wisdom of the bible does not require an unquestioning belief in every statement in there. The problem as I see it, is that too many people base their faith in God on an unquestioning belief that every single word in the bible was dictated by God. Some ‘bible-believing’ Christians (as they call themselves) get to the point of ‘biblidolotry’ (worship of the bible). If that is questioned they feel that their belief in God is challenged. If you do some bible study you will note how the bible changes and evolves, and how the concept of God changes from one of many gods, to a threatening punishing god, to a god of love. Even the first couple of chapters of Genesis show two different creation stories. I know I will probably get flamed for this, but remember, God gave us brains – he didn’t expect us to sit back and not use them. Marg * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!
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Teachers and scientist today teach that if the Sun stood still(actually earth not rotating) for a day that mountains would fall and oceans would flood the land. Therefore the story of the battle is a fairy tale.
With all due respect, I have never heard of a teacher or scientist that teaches this. My XH, with a PhD in astrophysics, has never heard of this, and DH who has PhDs in Chemistry and Computer Science (doing atmospheric modeling) and who is a professor (doing a fair amount of teaching) has not heard of this. Can you please tell me where this is from? Is it a Biblical story or a myth or is it purportedly based on scientific evidence? Elizabeth JUST FINISHED — Antique Doll Sisters from Lanarte WIP: Shepherd’s Bush Millennium needleroll "Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity…"
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Hee FRED I knw about PUULING strigs as phrase and Pulling someone`s leg Somehow the expression You can’t "Pull The Wool Over Her Eyes" came to mind
This one I am not sure i ever read , but it rings a far away bell. IE. Josh and Jericho.
According to Archelogy there are signs of a Great battle near Jericho …. could be it was the longest day ? Also do not forget that people in The desert climates , late at night by the fire will weave a nice story ….. So you are telling me that where you are, an Old Silver Fox is an Old Silver SHUAL or thief. Very interesting.
No fred the Foxes her Are Mud brown and they like to sneak into the Grape yard and steal some grapes , have done so since Biblical times mirjam
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She doesn’t gather wool and worketh with eager hands. Wool is sheared from sheep. She quietly gathers knowledge from those around her; probably sewing buddies and they secretly call it wool. In order to keep hidden the fact that she is gaining all this knowledge she worketh with eager hands so that any observer will not notice. I have come to the conclusion that this is what the phrase meant.
I have *no* idea where this topic came from (though I’ve got to admit I’m curious…), but I felt an impulse to add my $.02 worth here… Though wool is sheared from sheep, and has been for many, many years…. First, it is not always sheared from sheep, and I’ve read somewhere of people pulling the fleece off somewhere….but that’s not really what I wanted to add…. What I *really* wanted to add is… Even in *relatively* recent times (read: when people still often spun and wove/knit/whatever their own material and clothes) one could seek to be granted permission from the owner of a flock to gather the bits of wool that tended to get stuck on bushes (or other grabby things around the fields) or just fell loose and floated around the field. Similar to "gleaning in the fields", this allowed the poorer folk to pick up what they could use that those better off didn’t wish to waste their time with. Fleeces don’t really *need* to be cut off, eventually they will fall off, bit by bit, after the new wool has grown in below it. Just another bit of useless trivia I picked up somewhere or another… -Liz
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I would like to start, by apologizing for getting my historical events a bit mixed up. I referred to the wrong battle. It wasn’t the battle of Gericho, it was the battle of Gibeon (Joshua 10.13.14) where it is written that, "So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day. And there was no day like that before it or after it". The credentials that you list for your XH and DH leave no doubt that they are in a much higher education category than the person who was my science teacher and the person who taught my son science. If your XH and DH say that the mountains would not fall and the oceans would not flood the land if the earth stopped rotating for a day, I would be a fool to argue with them. I was taught that if the earth suddenly stopped rotating for a day the result would be catastophic, therefore the story about the sun and the battle of Gibeon was a myth. Being young and naive I believed it. I do not wish to come across as a begger seeking to attend a free lecture on astrophysics or computer sciences but would you be so kind and find out for me what they do think would happen in layperson terms, to the mountains and oceans if the earth did stop rotating for a day, taking into consideration that the day before it was rotating once in 24 hours (plus a bit) and it was rotating once in 24 hours (plus a bit) the day after. While this is a bit off the main topic and needlework (my fault), I look forward to your reply. In the meantime I shall try to keep my #20 needles from getting mixed up with my #18 needles. I will probably have as much success as I do remembering when a quark was thought to be strange and when it was thought to be charmed . Don’t backstitch to e-mail just stitchit. I’m just an old silver fox (DW’s description) trying to keep the Wool from being pulled over his eyes. Happy stitching…. Fred Kuhn Et in Arcadia Ego.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Teachers and scientist today teach that if the Sun stood still(actually earth not rotating) for a day that mountains would fall and oceans would flood the land. Therefore the story of the battle is a fairy tale. With all due respect, I have never heard of a teacher or scientist that teaches this. My XH, with a PhD in astrophysics, has never heard of this, and DH who has PhDs in Chemistry and Computer Science (doing atmospheric modeling) and who is a professor (doing a fair amount of teaching) has not heard of this. Can you please tell me where this is from? Is it a Biblical story or a myth or is it purportedly based on scientific evidence? Elizabeth JUST FINISHED — Antique Doll Sisters from Lanarte WIP: Shepherd’s Bush Millennium needleroll "Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity…"
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I think you have made a very valid point about gathering and the term gleaning. Definitely worth more than more than $.02. You’ve short changed yourself. Getting back to my origional off beat post. Can you put the icing on the cake and tell us where the expression, "You, can’t pull the wool over her eyes" (because she is smarter), came from? Happy stitching… Don’t backstitch to e-mail just stitchit. Fred Kuhn Et in Arcadia Ego.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – She doesn’t gather wool and worketh with eager hands. Wool is sheared from sheep. She quietly gathers knowledge from those around her; probably sewing buddies and they secretly call it wool. In order to keep hidden the fact that she is gaining all this knowledge she worketh with eager hands so that any observer will not notice. I have come to the conclusion that this is what the phrase meant. I have *no* idea where this topic came from (though I’ve got to admit I’m curious…), but I felt an impulse to add my $.02 worth here… Though wool is sheared from sheep, and has been for many, many years…. First, it is not always sheared from sheep, and I’ve read somewhere of people pulling the fleece off somewhere….but that’s not really what I wanted to add…. What I *really* wanted to add is… Even in *relatively* recent times (read: when people still often spun and wove/knit/whatever their own material and clothes) one could seek to be granted permission from the owner of a flock to gather the bits of wool that tended to get stuck on bushes (or other grabby things around the fields) or just fell loose and floated around the field. Similar to "gleaning in the fields", this allowed the poorer folk to pick up what they could use that those better off didn’t wish to waste their time with. Fleeces don’t really *need* to be cut off, eventually they will fall off, bit by bit, after the new wool has grown in below it. Just another bit of useless trivia I picked up somewhere or another… -Liz
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hallo Fred , The Bible does Not Say She Gathers wool , it says Darsha ,,,,, which is asked for or claimed demanded ,,,,, never gathered By the Cotton is called in Hebrew Tamer Gefen = Wool of the Vine . And by the way , it is known that the priests in fact could wear Wool and Flax together !!!!! to the conclusion that this is what the phrase meant.
Pleas oh pleas I know eveybody likes to turn every word in the bible into a metaphor , why ? people were people they lived loved sinned ate danced , The bible is full of normal people doing what people everty where did and still do , and this chapter says the woman is asuperwoman she does it all she is mother of the house industrious in all matters she keeps her house and all amtrters to the spot …… and probably falls of her legs on the few hours she has to rest , But she had no Email no Ng to discuss it all , When I replied that I didn’t think there were any silver foxes around in Biblical times, she said, "Look it up in a book or look in the mirror."
You are right Foxes were here ansd still are , but they are Mud brownish …. But i must say i like your description very much only it should be retranslated and than No no it would not go ,,,,, but i did enjoy reading it mirjam Fox in Hebrew SHUAL and he is considere a little thief ,
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It never dawned on me that I was generating a metaphor when I was posting. I’m not really in the habit of doing that. Somehow the expression You can’t "Pull The Wool Over Her Eyes" came to mind and I guess I was wondering out loud if the passage had any relationship to it. Do not really know where "Pull The Wool Over Ones Eyes" came from? I believe it is just another way of saying, "One has been Hoodwinked", of which the origin escapes me also. When I read passages I try to put myself back in time to try and understand what the message was, that the writer was trying to convey. IE. Josh and Jericho. Teachers and scientist today teach that if the Sun stood still(actually earth not rotating) for a day that mountains would fall and oceans would flood the land. Therefore the story of the battle is a fairy tale. Yet with the same scientific conviction they teach that the Sun does in fact appear to stand still for two days of the year. June 21 and Dec 21. In those ancient days in order to keep track of the seasons, the shadow cast by an obelisk was observed. So observers also knew back then, that the sun appeared to stand still for two days in each year. I simple conclude that the story has some truth in it. If the writer had written that the battle of Jericho took place on the longest day of the year June 21, the day when the shadow of the obelisk stops receeding and the sun appears to have stopped in it’s northward travel, the story would never have been questioned. This isn’t really needlework but thought I would toss it in there while I’m changing needles. To all who might think that I’m trying to Pull The Wool Over Their Eyes consider this page bleached. So you are telling me that where you are, an Old Silver Fox is an Old Silver SHUAL or thief. Very interesting. Don’t backstitch to e-mail just stitchit. Fred Kuhn Et in Arcadia Ego. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – hallo Fred , The Bible does Not Say She Gathers wool , it says Darsha ,,,,, which is asked for or claimed demanded ,,,,, never gathered By the Cotton is called in Hebrew Tamer Gefen = Wool of the Vine . And by the way , it is known that the priests in fact could wear Wool and Flax together !!!!! to the conclusion that this is what the phrase meant. Pleas oh pleas I know eveybody likes to turn every word in the bible into a metaphor , why ? people were people they lived loved sinned ate danced , The bible is full of normal people doing what people everty where did and still do , and this chapter says the woman is asuperwoman she does it all she is mother of the house industrious in all matters she keeps her house and all amtrters to the spot …… and probably falls of her legs on the few hours she has to rest , But she had no Email no Ng to discuss it all , When I replied that I didn’t think there were any silver foxes around in Biblical times, she said, "Look it up in a book or look in the mirror." You are right Foxes were here ansd still are , but they are Mud brownish …. But i must say i like your description very much only it should be retranslated and than No no it would not go ,,,,, but i did enjoy reading it mirjam Fox in Hebrew SHUAL and he is considere a little thief ,
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She doesn’t gather wool and worketh with eager hands. Wool is sheared from sheep. She quietly gathers knowledge from those around her; probably sewing buddies and they secretly call it wool. In order to keep hidden the fact that she is gaining all this knowledge she worketh with eager hands so that any observer will not notice. I have come to the conclusion that this is what the phrase meant. I told my DW what I thought that I had discovered, to see what her reaction might be. She couldn’t answer without grinning and her first words were, "Many a child has tried to fool its mother but didn’t succeed." Her next words were, "Over the years many an old silver haired fox has also tried the same stunts and didn’t succeed either." "This was because she was so experienced with gathering wool (knowledge)." When I asked her what stunts a silver fox could possible try to pull on a women? She replied, "Pull the Wool Over Her Eyes." When I replied that I didn’t think there were any silver foxes around in Biblical times, she said, "Look it up in a book or look in the mirror." AAH HA! I think I just might have broken the Kabblistic code on this one. For countless years it’s they, who have been gathering wool and Don’t backstitch to e-mail just stitchit. Fred Kuhn Et in Arcadia Ego.
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