Lonely Loneliness

Thank you, ASL!

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In article <361AE317.1…@earthlink.net>,   cele…@earthlink.net wrote: > I know I’ve neglected to do so in the past, so I’d like to take this > opportunity now to thank all of you, the members of > alt.support.loneliness, for all the support you’ve given me, especially > in this ongoing conflict with the one who now calls himself the "Dark > Side of Celebok."  You’re a wonderful bunch of people, and I know the > last thing you need is yet another invader disrupting the peace that > you’ve struggled to maintain in this newsgroup.

Hello again all my new-found "friends" in A.S.L. Okay. So being over the top didn’t hammer home the point. Let’s try rational discussion, then. One of the things that irks me the most about Usenet is the number of people on it who claim to be intelligent, well-adjusted, and normal, but then absolutely refuse to observe the same rules of social decorum on the Net that they would in real-life. Good Celebok, you claim to be all of the above. And yet, when the sharks of soc.singles hounded you mercilessly for weeks about posting your reports there, you dug in your heels and refused to consider that perhaps your behavior wasn’t reasonable or sociable, citing the classic Usenet misfit’s "right to post anything you want anywhere you want." You are still posting your lengthy diatribes about Asian girls and fast food and the current energy usage of your apartment there, even re-posting reports that were initially posted months earlier. This is what is known as a "waste of bandwidth," and is also the boorish equivalent of crashing a party and then refusing to leave. All I’ve done here is give you a taste of your own medicine. Reasoning with you didn’t work. Insulting you in soc.singles didn’t work, even though it was done by more than ten people. I am interested in the notion that my attack on you here is not the first; there have been "other invaders?" Doesn’t that clue you in? Don’t you get the message? > truth is, you just can’t argue with these types of people.

And you claim to be a Christian. There’s only one "type of people," pal. > And Gina, I’m especially thankful for all your efforts to support me, > and I’m really sorry you got dragged into this mess.  You didn’t deserve > some of his comments that were meant to attack you personally.

Yeah, she did. You wanna swim with the sharks, grow some teeth and a thicker skin. > Thanks again to all of you!  Hopefully, this matter will be resolved > soon.

Consider it resolved. And for once, in your weird little life, THINK. And for the love of god, go out and get yourself a woman. Emperor Celebok ———–== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==———- http://www.dejanews.com/       Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own    

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Dear Morris…. I’m awed by your intelligent insight into this imposter and his evident problems….as well as your views on the solution.  You’re making an awful lot of sense here…and I’m hoping it is heard by those that need to hear it. Thanks. Hugs and Smiles, Gina "How high can you fly with broken wings? Life’s a journey, not a destination, And I just can’t tell what tomorrow brings.."                      — Aerosmith

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Dear Raffaele…. You are to be commended for your excellent ability to research and retain.   But (yes, that "word" again)….let’s not be so selective in our recollections.  Do you remember when some of the people in ASL were thought to be trolls…yet all the while they kept insisting they were using their "right to free speech";   their right to post anything anywhere they wanted to on the net…..and it was through this insistence that these people did indeed prevail.  I would think that especially those certain people once thought to be trolls would be the ones to support our Captain Celebok the most….and to support his rright to post whatever he wishes, wherever he wishes.   An excellent example is you, Raffaele.  Remember the problems in the beginning ?  Well, you dug your heels in and insisted on your "rights" to stay.  Now you are a very important part of this support group, and your care and support has been a help to many.  Who is to say that our Captain Celebok could not do the same in some other ng ?  Any arguments he may have with others in another ng is his business.  It was the ignorant person from the other ng that brought the problems to ASL….certainly not our Captain Celebok, and I think we should stand behind him and support him in exercising his rights.  This imposter Celebok is attempting to disrupt ASL and blame the disruption on our Captain Celebok.  Such a weak argument !!  Don’t you agree ?  If we sit back and allow this imposter to intimidate and dictate who may or may not post in soc. singles and if he is allowed to dictate what can and cannot be written there….are we not defeating the purpose ?  I think so.  We should definitely stand behind our Captain Celebok and his rights to post anything anywhere he wishes.  Anything less would support censorship. Hugs and Smiles… Gina "How high can you fly with broken wings? Life’s a journey, not a destination, And I just can’t tell what tomorrow brings.."                      — Aerosmith

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Ric wrote: >what you will find is a ridiculous and childish flame war, insults, >death threats, and more negativity than I want to see here again… >so please, if you follow Gina back to that time, don’t bring it back >with you to now… now is very different, much much better… >and I wish you would stop trying to disrupt the group with yesterday’s >mistakes and learn from them, Gina… >positive, supportive, posts… remember?… that’s what you were >supposedly fighting for back then… >you seem to be trying to rally people to take sides on some issue now, >Gina… if you are not, then please – tell your friends what you are >really trying to do with all your  -asl is not good today-  posts… >honest love, ric

Hey…wait !!   You are the one that asked for specifics and I was just telling you where to find your specifics.  There you go again….making mountains out of mole hills.  Relax….get a grip.  I am not your enemy.  I don’t want to be anyone’s enemy…….but when my friendship is offered and thrown away…then I shake the dust from my fee and carry on. What are you trying to do to me ?   Why do I find you criticizing me constantly ?  At first, I believed you when you said it was out of love….I don’t believe that anymore. Well…anyway….I wasn’t doing anything except answering your demand for specifics, Ric. I’m beginning to think that you have mistaken my patience and unquestioning trust as a weakness…..you are wrong.  Please stop trying to make me look like something I am not. Gina "How high can you fly with broken wings? Life’s a journey, not a destination, And I just can’t tell what tomorrow brings.."                      — Aerosmith

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Reg Riddle wrote in message

<19981009163556.17337.00009…@ng42.aol.com>… >P.S. — When time permits, you might want to check out ASL from about July to >date.  You’ll see what I mean.

what you will find is a ridiculous and childish flame war, insults, death threats, and more negativity than I want to see here again… so please, if you follow Gina back to that time, don’t bring it back with you to now… now is very different, much much better… and I wish you would stop trying to disrupt the group with yesterday’s mistakes and learn from them, Gina… positive, supportive, posts… remember?… that’s what you were supposedly fighting for back then… you seem to be trying to rally people to take sides on some issue now, Gina… if you are not, then please – tell your friends what you are really trying to do with all your  -asl is not good today-  posts… honest love, ric

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Dear Morris….<smiling> My message regarding a person’s right to post anything anywhere did not accurately reflect my true feelings.  I was trying to drive home a point.  If you go back a few months, you’ll see this same issue came up in ASL.  I argued for "free speech only with responsibility", among other issues involving one being responsible and respectful to others  ….but was ridiculed for my beliefs.  In other words…what you read was exaggerated.  I agree with you and your views 100%, Morris.   And, no,  I didn’t take your comments wrong at all. I welcomed them, for they reflect my own beliefs….and since you didn’t know I was over-dramatizing…I think it was very kind of you to post your position opposing what I had written.  It was written in a caring manner….not a condemning one.  Thank you, Morris.  :-)   Hugs and Smiles, Gina P.S. — When time permits, you might want to check out ASL from about July to date.  You’ll see what I mean. "How high can you fly with broken wings? Life’s a journey, not a destination, And I just can’t tell what tomorrow brings.."                      — Aerosmith

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just a small question here…. if this holds true for "our" Celebok…. shouldnt it hold true for anyone? gina said to raff…..  We should definitely stand behind our Captain Celebok and his rights to post anything anywhere he wishes.  Anything less would support censorship. seems to me if this is true for one… it should be true for all…. just a thought. jan

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Celebok wrote … >Please do me a favor and ignore everything he says from now on.

apparently some people did not hear you CB… I’m reposting your request so they might see what you are asking for… I wouldn’t want anyone to intentionally disrespect you by not respecting your wishes… and thank you for putting the peace and support of this group ahead of your personal dispute with the troll… >Thanks again to all of you!  Hopefully, this matter will be resolved >soon.

if everyone follows your advice and respects your request, it will will pass with the winds of Usenet weather honest love, ric

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Dear Celebok…. But…you’re a very special part of this group and friends should always stand up for friends, at least once, so the offender knows.  :-)  And, as you well know, it isn’t the first "mess" in which I’ve encountered. <smile>   And hey !!  I’m learning how to ignore personal attacks…maybe not very well in some instances, but this imposter didn’t bother me at all, so please don’t feel bad.  I promise he won’t elicit another response from me, so please don’t worry, either.  I was afraid that you might be upset by this character…but I should have known that you would see the jealousy behind it all.   I do love your report !!  So, keep ‘em coming … okay ? Hugs and Smiles…. Gina "trying to be too bad trying to talk too tough trying to jack the lad…. but he’s not the man you think he be I just don’t know why you can’t see that he is only the imposter…."                         — Elvis Costello

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you are a truly special person, CB… and thank *you* for maintaining your composure, retaining your sense of humour, and continuing to share your positive attitude here with us… it is easy to support you… you inspire my smile while teaching me something about life stay the course and be true ASL has faith in you honest love, ric – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Celebok wrote in message <361AE317.1…@earthlink.net>… >I know I’ve neglected to do so in the past, so I’d like to take this >opportunity now to thank all of you, the members of >alt.support.loneliness, for all the support you’ve given me, especially >in this ongoing conflict with the one who now calls himself the "Dark >Side of Celebok."  You’re a wonderful bunch of people, and I know the >last thing you need is yet another invader disrupting the peace that >you’ve struggled to maintain in this newsgroup.  As I’ve mentioned to a >few of you before, the best way to handle these attackers is to ignore >them.  I really appreciate those of you who tried to defend me, but the >truth is, you just can’t argue with these types of people.  Doing so >will only make things worse, and you’ll likely end up getting hurt. >And Gina, I’m especially thankful for all your efforts to support me, >and I’m really sorry you got dragged into this mess.  You didn’t deserve >some of his comments that were meant to attack you personally.  Please >do me a favor and ignore everything he says from now on.  I’d hate to >see you get hurt again, especially by someone using my pseudonym! >Thanks again to all of you!  Hopefully, this matter will be resolved >soon. >–Capt. Celebok >http://home.earthlink.net/~celebok

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Hi all! I’ve read the "Dark Celebok" last message. Just wondering, are you David K. Wilkins? (I’m forwarding this message to him). Your flaming style is close to his, as results from further parodies I’ve just seen in soc.singles, such as "the Celeblockhead Report". Anyway,  you seem to share for the TCR the same appreciation David does. After reading some posts in soc.singles, I can say that the information provided by Dark Celebok is correct. It is true that Celebok has posted a lot of TCR in soc.singles, and it is true that he was flamed by several people. It seems, at this point, that Celebok has actually posted messages that was off-topic there. It seems that he repeatedly broke their rules. He should have been aware of this, for he posted in that group for weeks. When Celebok has posted his complain about the presence of a "fake", he didn’t explain what happened in soc.singles. This was the most relevant insight about the matter, explaining why he was flamed. Besides, he knows well ASL and was sure expecting that such a message would have followed by a series of supportive articles, even if he didn’t ask this explicitly. Henceforth, people of this group came in his help, believing that Dark Celebok was targeting him with no specific purpose. I for one suspected that he was some enemy, but trusted Celebok. OTOH, I’ve considered Dark Celebok as a troll, and in fact he acted as a troll for some time. But the true Celebok acted as a troll in soc.singles, posting a series of off-topics as well. I would have not supported Celebok the way I did if he had told *all* the truth on this matter. I only came because I thought that a member of this group has been mistreated. Several posters in soc.singles are skilled flamers. They way have decided to come here in mass. Celebok, you’ve has exposed us to the danger of a major "troll invasion", not only a single invader. And yes, this is the least thing we need, so try not to provoke it! As to the invaders who came in the past, many of the present regulars where considered as such. Genuine trolls here are rare, but a lot of fuss were done against people who seemed not conform to a narrow idea of those who can give or deserve support. Some "defenders" didn’t confine ourselves to flames, but also collected of private mail not directed to them and threatened to post them publicly (maybe after some appropriate editing?), in an attempt to discredit them. The methods chosed by those of soc.singles, as by Dark Celebok, to protect *their* group, sound ethically acceptable. In many group flame the trolls is customary. Assuming an alias, too, is not a crime. Many of the past and present regulars in ASL did it. To speak of "this kind of people" and so on is a bad habit that *must* be abandoned. Comments should be done on behaviour, not on the person. Many of the actual regulars was labeled with delicious names. This was done by people who hadn’t the least idea of what they were speaking about. To believe is easier than to think. The ASLers have often serious problems to deal with, such as low self-esteem, major emotional distress, multiple losses and so on. This may explain the tendency to become a little too dramatic. But improving and better controlling (which is not inhibiting) our views and our way to write is a matter to deal with. If somebody goes out of order, we should not approve and encourage this. Nowadays, this group is better than before under this respect. Let’s go ahead! — All the best                     Raffaele <http://www.angelfire.com/mi/raffaele55/>  In article <6vfv2l$73…@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -  cele…@hotmail.com wrote: > In article <361AE317.1…@earthlink.net>, >   cele…@earthlink.net wrote: > > I know I’ve neglected to do so in the past, so I’d like to take this > > opportunity now to thank all of you, the members of > > alt.support.loneliness, for all the support you’ve given me, especially > > in this ongoing conflict with the one who now calls himself the "Dark > > Side of Celebok."  You’re a wonderful bunch of people, and I know the > > last thing you need is yet another invader disrupting the peace that > > you’ve struggled to maintain in this newsgroup. > Hello again all my new-found "friends" in A.S.L. > Okay. So being over the top didn’t hammer home the point. Let’s try rational > discussion, then. > One of the things that irks me the most about Usenet is the number of people > on it who claim to be intelligent, well-adjusted, and normal, but then > absolutely refuse to observe the same rules of social decorum on the Net that > they would in real-life. > Good Celebok, you claim to be all of the above. And yet, when the sharks of > soc.singles hounded you mercilessly for weeks about posting your reports > there, you dug in your heels and refused to consider that perhaps your > behavior wasn’t reasonable or sociable, citing the classic Usenet misfit’s > "right to post anything you want anywhere you want." You are still posting > your lengthy diatribes about Asian girls and fast food and the current energy > usage of your apartment there, even re-posting reports that were initially > posted months earlier. > This is what is known as a "waste of bandwidth," and is also the boorish > equivalent of crashing a party and then refusing to leave. All I’ve done here > is give you a taste of your own medicine. > Reasoning with you didn’t work. Insulting you in soc.singles didn’t work, even > though it was done by more than ten people. I am interested in the notion that > my attack on you here is not the first; there have been "other invaders?" > Doesn’t that clue you in? Don’t you get the message? > > truth is, you just can’t argue with these types of people. > And you claim to be a Christian. > There’s only one "type of people," pal. > > And Gina, I’m especially thankful for all your efforts to support me, > > and I’m really sorry you got dragged into this mess.  You didn’t deserve > > some of his comments that were meant to attack you personally. > Yeah, she did. You wanna swim with the sharks, grow some teeth and a thicker > skin. > > Thanks again to all of you!  Hopefully, this matter will be resolved > > soon. > Consider it resolved. And for once, in your weird little life, THINK. And for > the love of god, go out and get yourself a woman. > Emperor Celebok > ———–== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==———- > http://www.dejanews.com/       Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own

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I know I’ve neglected to do so in the past, so I’d like to take this opportunity now to thank all of you, the members of alt.support.loneliness, for all the support you’ve given me, especially in this ongoing conflict with the one who now calls himself the "Dark Side of Celebok."  You’re a wonderful bunch of people, and I know the last thing you need is yet another invader disrupting the peace that you’ve struggled to maintain in this newsgroup.  As I’ve mentioned to a few of you before, the best way to handle these attackers is to ignore them.  I really appreciate those of you who tried to defend me, but the truth is, you just can’t argue with these types of people.  Doing so will only make things worse, and you’ll likely end up getting hurt. And Gina, I’m especially thankful for all your efforts to support me, and I’m really sorry you got dragged into this mess.  You didn’t deserve some of his comments that were meant to attack you personally.  Please do me a favor and ignore everything he says from now on.  I’d hate to see you get hurt again, especially by someone using my pseudonym! Thanks again to all of you!  Hopefully, this matter will be resolved soon. –Capt. Celebok http://home.earthlink.net/~celebok

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In article <361AE317.1…@earthlink.net>, cele…@earthlink.net says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I know I’ve neglected to do so in the past, so I’d like to take this >opportunity now to thank all of you, the members of >alt.support.loneliness, for all the support you’ve given me, especially >in this ongoing conflict with the one who now calls himself the "Dark >Side of Celebok."  You’re a wonderful bunch of people, and I know the >last thing you need is yet another invader disrupting the peace that >you’ve struggled to maintain in this newsgroup.  As I’ve mentioned to a >few of you before, the best way to handle these attackers is to ignore >them.  I really appreciate those of you who tried to defend me, but the >truth is, you just can’t argue with these types of people.  Doing so >will only make things worse, and you’ll likely end up getting hurt. >And Gina, I’m especially thankful for all your efforts to support me, >and I’m really sorry you got dragged into this mess.  You didn’t deserve >some of his comments that were meant to attack you personally.  Please >do me a favor and ignore everything he says from now on.  I’d hate to >see you get hurt again, especially by someone using my pseudonym! >Thanks again to all of you!  Hopefully, this matter will be resolved >soon. >–Capt. Celebok >http://home.earthlink.net/~celebok

Carry on, Captain! You’re appreciated! Shalom & hugs, Nick

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