Lonely Loneliness

To Pamela…

Question:

Michael wrote: >Just as I saw you follow Gina around this >group, for weeks and weeks, one summer, giving your many >unsolicited psychoanalyses of her, and disguising your many >criticisms of her, and your judgments of her, as "tough love"…

ric responded: >…I did stop in 1998 and have respected Gina’s >request since…

A snippet from a post by ric, dated January 9, 2000: >Subject:   Re: Gina (Re: thank you Pamela (was Re: Pathetic and spam/Was: ric)) >Date:   Sun, 09 Jan 2000 06:18:36 GMT >From:   "ric" <asl…@XYZegroups.com> >Newsgroups:   alt.support.loneliness

ric (fell into a time warp when he) psychoanalyzed Gina again: >Gina… I wish you’d hear this… I think you erected that wall to keep from >hearing what I really think… and I think you are obsessed with conspiracies >that never really existed to the extent they exist in your mind… and I think >to free yourself from the obsession, all you have to do is trust…

Sorry, ric.  I’ll try to resist my obsession with pointing out the facts,  next time. ASLFAQ

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>you missed the point, FAQ… >I was answering Gina’s question in this >year… she asked for my opinion, I gave >it… perhaps I shouldn’t have as it seems >it gave you something more to point >at me for… I wonder though, since I have >no idea who you are, why you seem so >interested in me…

::resisting temptation, like I promised::  :-) >have we met under different names?

I don’t know, have you posted here under a different name recently?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->ric (fell into a time warp when he) psychoanalyzed Gina again: >>Gina… I wish you’d hear this… I think you erected that wall to keep from >>hearing what I really think… and I think you are obsessed with >conspiracies >>that never really existed to the extent they exist in your mind… and I >think >>to free yourself from the obsession, all you have to do is trust… >Sorry, ric.  I’ll try to resist my obsession with pointing out the facts, >next >time. >ASLFAQ

Thanks ASLFAQ for carrying this message.  It has not shown up on my end yet.   It does make me sad….but does not surprise me to see the SOS going on again. I’ve been expecting it.  I do appreciate you recognizing it and pointing it out. Let’s see now….I’ve been diagnosed as compulsive by someone….and now I’m obsessive.   Why on earth am I paying a shrink when I could come here and get counseling ??!!  LOL   Actually….it isn’t exactly counseling here, is it ? More like condemnation…. Certainly something you would not expect to see in a support group.  Well, let’s just hope they don’t get to going with that tough love crap again.  The last time it was used, it was misused as a cop-out to be rude and to cause me distress.   This is a support group….not a place to use tough love, but a place where there are still a few willing to listen and care and support people who are lonely. BTW….I visited your site again…and it just gets better every day !!  I know you have spent a lot of time and energy on building that most excellent site, and I appreciate your efforts. Smiles, Gina "I wish I could find a good book to live in … Wish I could find a good book … Well if I could find a real good book … I’d never have to come out and look at … What they done to my song …"         —Melanie

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ric wrote: >so much interest in ric, it’s no wonder I received mail while I was away >about >my name being discussed in ASL… what’s your interest?… ric wrote: >so much interest in ric, it’s no wonder I received mail while I was away about >my name being discussed in ASL… what’s your interest?…

Actually, I wasn’t interested in you at all, until you sent me that private threatening email after I wished you and the group a happy new year. Then you finally explained that my sig line was the "reportable offense". Since you had no problem with anyone else’s sig lines,  I took it personal.  However, I am over it now and have forgiven you, even if you never did apologize (specifically) to me. As for my identity, I am ASLFAQ (not to be confused with raffaele, who claims to only be a compiler).  If you find my name annoying, you can call me NMB-2   * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Visit the ASLFAQ Web Page at: http://members.aol.com/aslfaq

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Thanks, ric, for proving my point for me, once again…                                   Michael In article <85lik6$74t…@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com>, "ric" <asl…@REMOVE-CAPS-BEFORE-REPLYegroups.com> wrote: >Maddogg wrote in message <85l95j$2d0_…@news.earthlink.net>… >>First off, ric, I don’t appreciate you dissecting my posts, sentence

    by sentence, in your attempts at manipulating my words and meanings…    <snipped>

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so much interest in ric, it’s no wonder I received mail while I was away about my name being discussed in ASL… what’s your interest?… ASLFAQ wrote in message <20000113230301.08907.00000…@ng-fi1.aol.com>… >ric wrote: >>you missed the point, FAQ… >>I wonder why you are so interested in me… >>have we met under different names? >I don’t know, have you posted here under a different name recently?

yes, I posted about it… perhaps you missed it… have you posted ever posted under a different in ASL?… honest love, ric

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Ric Just so you know.. I joined your email list from your web pages about a 6 months ago.. why.. because Raf over and over used your past posted words for the last 2 years to and against Gina, Michael and Jae.. overe and over again as a negative to them.. thus.. you got set up by another in advance to be his knight in shinning armor. From what I saw with your email list.. as well as from your postings.. you are a really nice guy.. stuck in the middle seeking peace like me.. but.. the moment you go.. your words will be thrown over and over to others.. against them and to hurt them.. which in my opinion.. when you are not here in real as the moment is a wrong and manipulative thing to do.. And Raf.. he is the one who did this to you and he did it the most prior to your return.. kay.. And ASLFAQ.. did not post argumentively when the others who are arguing FAQ no FAQ.. were not arguing it.. Email me Ric.. I shall answer.. but truth is what you will get from me.. no less, no more.. it by history.. is not my style.. ask Bill as Harvey.. ask anyone but those in the 2 sided war if I am honest.. and if I wanted peace above all.. bilaterally won and not taken by force.. Pamela "ric" <asl…@REMOVE-CAPS-BEFORE-REPLYegroups.com> wrote in message

news:85m8d7$b9jk$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> so much interest in ric, it’s no wonder I received mail while I was away about > my name being discussed in ASL… what’s your interest?… > ASLFAQ wrote in message <20000113230301.08907.00000…@ng-fi1.aol.com>… > >ric wrote: > >>you missed the point, FAQ… > >>I wonder why you are so interested in me… > >>have we met under different names? > >I don’t know, have you posted here under a different name recently? > yes, I posted about it… perhaps you missed it… > have you posted ever posted under a different in ASL?… > honest love, ric

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you missed the point, FAQ… I was answering Gina’s question in this year… she asked for my opinion, I gave it… perhaps I shouldn’t have as it seems it gave you something more to point at me for… I wonder though, since I have no idea who you are, why you seem so interested in me… have we met under different names? honest love, ric – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -ASLFAQ wrote in message <20000113222742.06253.00000…@ng-cg1.aol.com>… >Michael wrote: >>Just as I saw you follow Gina around this >>group, for weeks and weeks, one summer, giving your many >>unsolicited psychoanalyses of her, and disguising your many >>criticisms of her, and your judgments of her, as "tough love"… >ric responded: >>…I did stop in 1998 and have respected Gina’s >>request since… >A snippet from a post by ric, dated January 9, 2000: >>Subject:   Re: Gina (Re: thank you Pamela (was Re: Pathetic and >>spam/Was: ric)) >>Date:   Sun, 09 Jan 2000 06:18:36 GMT >>From:   "ric" <asl…@XYZegroups.com> >>Newsgroups:   alt.support.loneliness >ric (fell into a time warp when he) psychoanalyzed Gina again: >>Gina… I wish you’d hear this… I think you erected that wall to keep >>from

hearing what I really think… and I think you are obsessed with >>conspiracies that never really existed to the extent they exist in your >>mind… and I think to free yourself from the obsession, all you have to >>do is trust… >Sorry, ric.  I’ll try to resist my obsession with pointing out the facts, >next time. >ASLFAQ

it’s ok, G

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Maddogg wrote in message <85l95j$2d0_…@news.earthlink.net>… >First off, ric, I don’t appreciate you dissecting my posts, >sentence by sentence,

responding directly to words written is how I communicate when many different points and opinions are in a single sentence or paragraph… just as you divide your thoughts here into paragraphs… I see three separate points in this first paragraph, so I have three different responses to your three different points… >in your attempts at manipulating my words and meanings…

these is not my intention… I would appreciate it if you’d realize that you are making incorrect assumptions about my intentions and addressing me as though you somehow know me better than I know myself… >if you cannot hold the context >of a paragraph in your mind long enough to answer it, that >is your problem…

I am satisfied with my mental capacity… and with my ability to read different points and respect point each with an answer… >Second, in my opinion, your constant unsolicited, sidewalk >psychoanalyses,

if you see this in my words but do not show me where, then all I can say is I do not intend to do this, nor do I see myself doing it in my words… >is your attempt at dismissing, and casting >aspersions upon people, that certainly don’t need any of your >condescensions…

again, this is not my intent… >Just as I saw you follow Gina around this >group, for weeks and weeks, one summer, giving your many >unsolicited psychoanalyses of her, and disguising your many >criticisms of her, and your judgments of her, as "tough love"…

in 1998 my comments and opinions were asked for by Gina at first, right here in this group… and I stopped offering them when asked to stop, though maybe not as quickly as I should have, I did stop in 1998 and have respected Gina’s request since… it’s 2000, Mike… >If you wish to ignore the truth

this is not my wish… again, your assumptions lead you to not know me… >by putting labels on it,

if you tell me what you call labels in my words, I can respond… >that allow you to justify ignoring it,

again, show me where I do this, for I do not intend to… >that is certainly your right…. >but don’t >put some "holier than thou" spin on everything, and expect the >intelligent people of this group to give it any credibility… >                                    Michael

I am not ignoring you Michael… I am disagreeing with you… and while I am aware that others read these words, I am doing my best to respond to your words as you write them and not write for audience approval… I don’t think that stating my opinion as blandly and unemotionally as I can is holier than thou… and I don’t feel or think I am above anyone else… that’s why I won’t judge people and only comment on words written… I can not tell you why someone does something… I can only choose to believe that in every heart is kindness and that is how I approach everything and everyone, trying to focus on the kindness… honest love, ric         each from their own perspective sees                         a different forest among the trees… >In article <85ju04$b8s…@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com>, "ric" ><asl…@REMOVE-CAPS-BEFORE-REPLYegroups.com> wrote: >>I felt nor intended no condescension when I wrote what I wrote… >>I didn’t feel or intend judgment either in referring to myself… >>Maddogg wrote in message <85jiur$238_…@news.earthlink.net>… >>>You could have simply reassured cloud that I was not >>>speaking to her, >>I didn’t see you ask me to do this… and I have been doing my best to >>avoid

your hostility, Mike, so I haven’t read many of your posts… >>however if this helps, I don’t believe you were referring to cloud at >>all… >>>and just left out all of your ambiguous condescensions…. >>if you read ambiguous condecensions in my stating my philosophy >>as clearly

and non-personally as I can, perhaps you should stop >>reading my posts… >>>for someone that beats that, "who am I to judge" drum, you surely >>>do a lot

of judging, of others… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>where do you see me judging others a lot Mike? >>>                                  Michael >>hope this helps you find what you seek… honest love, ric >>    "If you always do what you’ve always done, >>      you’ll always get what you’ve always gotten." >>                                   — Werner Erhard — >>>In article <85jf7t$859…@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com>, "newsbee" >>><news…@REMOVE-CAPS-BEFORE-REPLYegroups.com> wrote: >>I wasn’t referring to you Mike… >>I hope you’ll ask yourself why you assumed I was… >>honest love, ric >>   ~ there is positive and negative in everyone >>      and one usually can find what one is looking for >>      that’s why I look for the positive ~

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You could have simply reassured cloud that I was not speaking to her, and just left out all of your ambiguous condescensions…. for someone that beats that, "who am I to judge" drum, you surely do a lot of judging, of others…                                   Michael In article <85jf7t$859…@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com>, "newsbee" <news…@REMOVE-CAPS-BEFORE-REPLYegroups.com> wrote:

<snipped>

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First off, ric, I don’t appreciate you dissecting my posts, sentence by sentence, in your attempts at manipulating my words and meanings… if you cannot hold the context of a paragraph in your mind long enough to answer it, that is your problem… Second, in my opinion, your constant unsolicited, sidewalk psychoanalyses, is your attempt at dismissing, and casting aspersions upon people, that certainly don’t need any of your condescensions… Just as I saw you follow Gina around this group, for weeks and weeks, one summer, giving your many unsolicited psychoanalyses of her, and disguising your many criticisms of her, and your judgments of her, as "tough love"… If you wish to ignore the truth by putting labels on it, that allow you to justify ignoring it, that is certainly your right…. but don’t put some "holier than thou" spin on everything, and expect the intelligent people of this group to give it any credibility…                                     Michael In article <85ju04$b8s…@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com>, "ric" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<asl…@REMOVE-CAPS-BEFORE-REPLYegroups.com> wrote: >I felt nor intended no condescension when I wrote what I wrote… >I didn’t feel or intend judgment either in referring to myself… >Maddogg wrote in message <85jiur$238_…@news.earthlink.net>… >>You could have simply reassured cloud that I was not >>speaking to her, >I didn’t see you ask me to do this… and I have been doing my best to avoid >your hostility, Mike, so I haven’t read many of your posts… however if this >helps, I don’t believe you were referring to cloud at all… >>and just left out all of your ambiguous condescensions…. >if you read ambiguous condecensions in my stating my philosophy as clearly and >non-personally as I can, perhaps you should stop reading my posts… >>for someone that beats that, "who am I to judge" drum, you surely do a lot of >>judging, of others… >where do you see me judging others a lot Mike? >>                                  Michael >hope this helps you find what you seek… honest love, ric >    "If you always do what you’ve always done, >      you’ll always get what you’ve always gotten." >                                   — Werner Erhard — >>In article <85jf7t$859…@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com>, "newsbee" >><news…@REMOVE-CAPS-BEFORE-REPLYegroups.com> wrote: >I wasn’t referring to you Mike… >I hope you’ll ask yourself why you assumed I was… >honest love, ric >   ~ there is positive and negative in everyone >      and one usually can find what one is looking for >      that’s why I look for the positive ~

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ric, you know good and well I was not speaking to "cloud"… but I do not put it past you to use others, to manipulate the truth, and further your own, not so hidden, agenda… You can continue to label the truth as "negativity" if you choose, and use that as an excuse to pretend to ignore the things you have no answers for… so you go ahead, and continue to pose all you want, but don’t for one second think you are really fooling the intelligent people of this group…                                    honest nausea,                                    Michael In article <85jbje$ctb…@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com>, "newsbee" <news…@REMOVE-CAPS-BEFORE-REPLYegroups.com> wrote:

<ric’s typical manipulations and condescensions snipped>

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Maddogg wrote in message <85jdq1$1v8_…@news.earthlink.net>… >ric, you know good and well I was not speaking to "cloud"…

I wasn’t referring to you Mike… I hope you’ll ask yourself why you assumed I was… honest love, ric    ~ there is positive and negative in everyone       and one usually can find what one is looking for       that’s why I look for the positive ~

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I felt nor intended no condescension when I wrote what I wrote… I didn’t feel or intend judgment either in referring to myself… Maddogg wrote in message <85jiur$238_…@news.earthlink.net>… >You could have simply reassured cloud that I was not >speaking to her,

I didn’t see you ask me to do this… and I have been doing my best to avoid your hostility, Mike, so I haven’t read many of your posts… however if this helps, I don’t believe you were referring to cloud at all… >and just left out all of your ambiguous condescensions….

if you read ambiguous condecensions in my stating my philosophy as clearly and non-personally as I can, perhaps you should stop reading my posts… >for someone that beats that, "who am I to judge" drum, you surely do a lot of >judging, of others…

where do you see me judging others a lot Mike? >                                  Michael

hope this helps you find what you seek… honest love, ric     "If you always do what you’ve always done,       you’ll always get what you’ve always gotten."                                    – Werner Erhard — >In article <85jf7t$859…@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com>, "newsbee" ><news…@REMOVE-CAPS-BEFORE-REPLYegroups.com> wrote:

I wasn’t referring to you Mike… I hope you’ll ask yourself why you assumed I was… honest love, ric    ~ there is positive and negative in everyone       and one usually can find what one is looking for       that’s why I look for the positive ~

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<Post + email> Hi Pamela-the-Cloud! No, that’s for sure not directed at you. The other Pamela is "Unicorn". She likes to utter groundless accusations. Last summer she made a lot of fuss with Mike Brady. As to Robert, she wasted no chance to made us aware of his crimes in real life… hilarious. Lately, she also said that my coworkers were all busy reading ASL and commenting with her my bad character. I’ve already written a parody on that, so I will not repeat it here. Presently, her foremost concern is to fight against my plan to take over the world, by the help of dolphins and guinea-pigs. Didn’t you heard of the "Crazy Wolves" conspiracy? I hope that you’ve got the picture. She happen to be sweet, however her obsession to find fault with others (men especially) has those weird consequences. Clouding aboundantly and raining greatly Raffaele           … and here is the famous FAQ: <http://www.angelfire.com/mi/raffaele55/aslfaq.html> <http://www.angelfire.com/mi/raffaele55/aslfaq.html> On Wed, 12 Jan 2000 22:25:14 GMT cloudninNOS…@bellsouth.net (pam / aka cloud9) wrote: > Gosh… sure hope this was not directed me.  I just entered the room > last night and am new to the group.  Phew!  Would somebody open a > window… sure does get hot in here! > Always, > pam the cloud

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*HUG* some people are hurting and need to release their pain try not to take anything negative personally for in reality few here have met offline to really begin to get know each other so we’re only words on a screen which makes it easier (for me at least) to give the benefit of doubt and believe that negativity is expressions of personal pain not an attempt to deliberately insult or injure someone… there was a time when I took the words personally and read into the motivations and intentions of the writers… I’m happy I’ve learned to stop doing that… for I can’t read minds (sometimes the obvious is easily forgotten and I really feel foolish now for once thinking I could understand someone I’ve never met and don’t really know… this is why I do my best now to speak about myself even when offering support or advice hope what I’ve learned from my experiences might be of interest or maybe help someone else who’s experiencing something similar hope this helps, honest love, ric  "I’ve had my share of heartaches, misfortune and mistakes.   occasionaly this life has left me battered,   but I can’t blame no one else, ’cause what I’ve done to myself   is the only kind of history that matters"                                ~ Harry Chapin ~ pam / aka cloud9 wrote in message <387cfef7.23027…@news1.lig.bellsouth.net>… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Gosh… sure hope this was not directed me.  I just entered the room >last night and am new to the group.  Phew!  Would somebody open a >window… sure does get hot in here! >Always, >pam the cloud >On Wed, 12 Jan 2000 21:21:26 GMT, maddo…@earthlink.net (Maddogg) >wrote: >>I will say it again, Pamela….. this is not just another >>accusation that you are going to leave hanging, when >>asked to prove it. I promise you, and my word is good, >>that I will do *whatever* it takes to clear my name of >>such slanderous accusations… >>I demand a public retraction of your libelous accusations, >>and a public apology for your slander, as well… >>Whatever it takes, Pamela…. and whatever authorities I >>have to involve in this, I will do… this *will not* be the end >>of this… I give you my word on that… >>                               Michael

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I will say it again, Pamela….. this is not just another accusation that you are going to leave hanging, when asked to prove it. I promise you, and my word is good, that I will do *whatever* it takes to clear my name of such slanderous accusations… I demand a public retraction of your libelous accusations, and a public apology for your slander, as well… Whatever it takes, Pamela…. and whatever authorities I have to involve in this, I will do… this *will not* be the end of this… I give you my word on that…                                Michael

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Gosh… sure hope this was not directed me.  I just entered the room last night and am new to the group.  Phew!  Would somebody open a window… sure does get hot in here! Always, pam the cloud On Wed, 12 Jan 2000 21:21:26 GMT, maddo…@earthlink.net (Maddogg) wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I will say it again, Pamela….. this is not just another >accusation that you are going to leave hanging, when >asked to prove it. I promise you, and my word is good, >that I will do *whatever* it takes to clear my name of >such slanderous accusations… >I demand a public retraction of your libelous accusations, >and a public apology for your slander, as well… >Whatever it takes, Pamela…. and whatever authorities I >have to involve in this, I will do… this *will not* be the end >of this… I give you my word on that… >                               Michael

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