Lonely Loneliness

Weird and wonderful?

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I haven’t read into traditional faeries and goblins etc – which may these days be viewed as perhaps having a UFO/alien connection? I’m not familiar with the Mothman prophecies. The Silver Bridge collapse (and other engineering disasters/etc) was covered I believe in a TV program called "Why buildings fall down" (an excellent series by the way) which usually shows them to be metal fatigue, bad design or manufacturing or not built to specifications. My memory is hazy about the specifics of the silver bridge – it was a due to man and not anything supernatural. Ghosts are usually attributed to – after-images of the deceased or where they hang around out of habit and not going where they should – not wanting to depart this world, even though their physical body is gone. Harvey In article <a6r8n4$g5ae…@ID-73971.news.dfncis.de>, ollie.sandcas…@ntlworld.com says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->But what about "The Mothman Prophecies"? What kind of sense can you make out >of the truly paranormal phenomena? Ghosts, fairies, aliens, call ‘em what >you will, can sometimes make bad things happen…like the Silver Bridge >collapsing into the Ohio River back in ‘67… >OTS >"Harvey @ Home" <kiwil…@paradise.net.notaus> wrote in message >news:I5Zj8.3012$Qo2.329261@news02.tsnz.net… >> Some stories do not go away. People may think they are like Santa Claus >> and the Easter Bunny, but I tend to think they are more like ghosts – >> that don’t go away. >> Stories that border on the bizarre … >> eg. >> Bigfoot >> his cousin – the abominable snowman (Yeti) less is heard of this one. >> Loch ness (this one’s lair is pointed out in "The Convoluted Universe") >> Oga Pooga (mis spelled, but something like this, a cousin of Loch ness) >> The Hollow Earth – this has a lot of weird stuff attached to it. The earth >> is hollow and there’s an advanced race living inside, openings in north >and >> south poles, stories of sightings there by early artic and antartic >explorers. >> Truly weird – this story does not go away. >> Atlantis and other advanced civilisations of the past. The Great Pyramid >> not built by egyptians but an older race – somehow these pyramids >(elsewhere >> too) use an iron i-bar (flat) that connects the blocks, that this was >molten >> when poured. All the megalithic monuments and buildings/etc were using an >> alternate technology which allowed them to work in stone – that can’t be >> duplicated today. See Chris Dunn’s website – he’s an egineer who looks at >> the Great Pyramid closely. >> This implies that we are not the first highly developed civilisation upon >> this earth, that in fact this is the third. The second is Atlantis, the >> first being referenced in the Bible when gods walked this earth in >antiquity. >> Basically this list goes on and on and includes – >> UFOs >> Alien abductions – altering the DNA structure of humankind to prepare for >>                    a new earth to be seeded, and these mutants to be >placed >>                    on. >> Human aura >> reincarnation >> Philadelphia Experiment – did this really take place? >> Crop circles – some are genuine >> Out of body experiences (OOBE) and Near Death Experiences (nde) >> History of this solar system, and the seeding of this Earth – ie. by >aliens. >> Of course, a lot of this ties in with each other — >> eg. >> aliens – ancient civilisations – history of this earth – Hollow >Earth – - – - >> It is not the case of just one story that is each topic, but there are >> many other stories that tie in with the one topic. >> With UFOs there is the sheer number and variety of UFO sightings that >cannot >> be easily dismissed. Not just in recent times, but throughout human >history. >> A good book for this is the 1956 book "The Case for the UFO" and of a >> similar vintage "UFO and the Bible" by M.K. Jessup. >> How does this tie in with loneliness. >> We are not alone – not by our wildest dreams – are we alone – not in life, >> and certainly not in death. >> Any comments? >> Harvey

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Well, I’m inclined to be a bit doubtful about The Plumber from Plympton, but I forgot the Devil’s hoofprints, ‘cos that’s quite an odd one. The Jersey Devil was said to have made weird footprints in the snow during the 1908 flap, & I know about the UFO incident you referred to, that’s quite a well known one is that. Steuart Campbell tried to explain the whole thing away as an astronomical anomaly, though this would seem rather inconsistent with the physical traces left at the alledged "landing site". But, as far as the deadly paranormal is concerned, I’ve heard some pretty queer things…like the story where this chap left his house one night, and all of a sudden the whole area lit up, bright as day. Well, he was confused, but passed the incident off as this or that. Later on that night, his skin started to literally slough off his body! Needless to say, he died shortly afterward. Caught in a nuclear blast, or something more sinister? I’ve also heard of a few poltergeist cases where people have been badly injured and even killed by the malefic agency, contrary to what is generally supposed concerning the normal behaviour of such entities. Still, at the end of the day, real life is almost 100% utterly mundane, and these discontinuities in the fabric of reality are necessarily scarce…at least when things really get screwed up like that, it is, if nothing else, something to nervously discuss around the campfire… OTS "Harvey @ Home" <kiwil…@paradise.net.notaus> wrote in message news:zf7l8.3650$Qo2.473136@news02.tsnz.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> In my late teens – after I left High School, I went on a reading journey, > reading all manner of books, averaging a book a week over 3 years – and I > read everything kind of thing, novels, best sellers, non-fiction and eventually > seemed to be reading about the paranormal – more so, after reading a book > by Lobsang Rampa – eventually read all of his books. His is a weird story, > very unbelievable, yet what he writes tend to believable, or so I feel. > Yet all his adventures tend to tip towards one man experiencing all this > to be unbelievable. He tends to consistant enough to have an interesting > story to tell. > In reading lots of different things, I have only one incident which stick > in my mind to be the same thing – at different times, from different > perspectives. > The Devils Hoofprints of Devon in the 1980s’ – one incident that was reported > in ‘The Case for the UFO’ was commented on in "The Annotated Edition of ‘The > Case for the UFO’ – how a one? legged animal made imprints in the snow that > went anywhere and everywhere, crossing fences, walls, houses, etc – in the > annotations, the writer said it was a measure-marker device gone haywire. > In the early 80s? there was a UFO incident in Arthur C Clarke’s Mysterious > World TV series, in which an English gamekeeper was interrupted in his > rounds – by a UFO device – a spherical device which had legs that stuck out > like a pincushion around it, such that only one leg was touching the ground > at one time – it was attacked by this thing, tearing his clothes. > He told his story to police who checked the evidence left behind – while a > sketch was made of it, they didn’t highlight what sort of imprint the legs > left behind? > The two incidents seem to be the same? About 80 years apart. > Harvey > In article <a70kar$hoq4…@ID-73971.news.dfncis.de>, > ollie.sandcas…@ntlworld.com says… > >I warn ye though – it really is a scary kind o’ thing, even after having > >plowed through a lot of quite weird stuff. When I was much younger, I used > >to eat all that Strange Phenomenatrice sort o’ stuff up like you wouldn’t > >believe. ‘Cos it was all just weird ghost stories, and it was a pleasant > >escape. The age when I used to believe in all manner of far out gear, is an > >age that I miss…nowadays, I am interested in strange phenomena mainly from > >the folkloric kind of angle, e.g why do people believe in this and that and > >so forth, but I read "The Mothman Prophecies" fairly recently, and it > >disturbed me because a) the high strangeness (usually, I tend to think that > >high strangeness reports are so very odd that not even a nutter could have > >thought it up) and b) the whole atmosphere of brooding insanity and paranoia > >just really made me convinced that some really weird stuff must have been > >going down… > >But if asked, my favourite weird things of all time would have to be: > >1) The Mothman Stuff > >2) The Jersey Devil > >3) The Flatwoods Monster > >4) The Russian Flying Man > >5) The Ferndale (W.A) "Flap" of the 1920’s > >6) Peculiar "Phantom" sieges [v. high strangeness rating] > >7) the odder UFO reports [too many to chronicle, enough to disprove the nuts > >and bolts ETH hypothesis], including the kind of gear that was apparently > >going on at the mouth of the Amazon back in the late 1970’s, e.g with the > >"Chupas" and the deer hunters & fishermen that were seemingly either the > >victim of "vampires" or some seriously fucked up aliens… > >8) Some of the seriously deranged & well documented poltergeist phenomena… > >9) Anything really odd, really… > >OTS

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I think Rampa has more going for him, than against him, as regards the number of hits he’s had. Points for, than against. A present day Rampa like source, would be Dolores Cannon – she has a lot of far-fetched info, and provides enough leads, for others to verify or discredit what she has mentioned. I think all these events make up a bigger picture of what reality actually is – and that those who profess to know what is real or not – haven’t the foggiest notion at all. ie. this world is screwed up, about what is important or not. The morals are all wrong – eg. political systems, beaucracies, etc are all corrupted. The only thing about reading about the strange – it probably makes you seem like a Don Quixote or the guy who said the emperor has no clothes – mostly no one else thinks like you do. If you read too much about prophecies and the catastrophe scenario – you wonder why this world hasn’t self-destructed yet. There are all sorts of weird stories about the coming catastrophes – luckily they haven’t eventuated yet. When it does come close – I guess you’ll have a lot of people having weird premenination dreams en masse, which cannot be ignored. Harvey In article <a73827$i924…@ID-73971.news.dfncis.de>, ollie.sandcas…@ntlworld.com says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Well, I’m inclined to be a bit doubtful about The Plumber from Plympton, but >I forgot the Devil’s hoofprints, ‘cos that’s quite an odd one. The Jersey >Devil was said to have made weird footprints in the snow during the 1908 >flap, & I know about the UFO incident you referred to, that’s quite a well >known one is that. Steuart Campbell tried to explain the whole thing away as >an astronomical anomaly, though this would seem rather inconsistent with the >physical traces left at the alledged "landing site". But, as far as the >deadly paranormal is concerned, I’ve heard some pretty queer things…like >the story where this chap left his house one night, and all of a sudden the >whole area lit up, bright as day. Well, he was confused, but passed the >incident off as this or that. Later on that night, his skin started to >literally slough off his body! Needless to say, he died shortly afterward. >Caught in a nuclear blast, or something more sinister? I’ve also heard of a >few poltergeist cases where people have been badly injured and even killed >by the malefic agency, contrary to what is generally supposed concerning the >normal behaviour of such entities. Still, at the end of the day, real life >is almost 100% utterly mundane, and these discontinuities in the fabric of >reality are necessarily scarce…at least when things really get screwed up >like that, it is, if nothing else, something to nervously discuss around the >campfire… >OTS >"Harvey @ Home" <kiwil…@paradise.net.notaus> wrote in message >news:zf7l8.3650$Qo2.473136@news02.tsnz.net… >> In my late teens – after I left High School, I went on a reading journey, >> reading all manner of books, averaging a book a week over 3 years – and I >> read everything kind of thing, novels, best sellers, non-fiction and >eventually >> seemed to be reading about the paranormal – more so, after reading a book >> by Lobsang Rampa – eventually read all of his books. His is a weird story, >> very unbelievable, yet what he writes tend to believable, or so I feel. >> Yet all his adventures tend to tip towards one man experiencing all this >> to be unbelievable. He tends to consistant enough to have an interesting >> story to tell. >> In reading lots of different things, I have only one incident which stick >> in my mind to be the same thing – at different times, from different >> perspectives. >> The Devils Hoofprints of Devon in the 1980s’ – one incident that was >reported >> in ‘The Case for the UFO’ was commented on in "The Annotated Edition of >’The >> Case for the UFO’ – how a one? legged animal made imprints in the snow >that >> went anywhere and everywhere, crossing fences, walls, houses, etc – in the >> annotations, the writer said it was a measure-marker device gone haywire. >> In the early 80s? there was a UFO incident in Arthur C Clarke’s Mysterious >> World TV series, in which an English gamekeeper was interrupted in his >> rounds – by a UFO device – a spherical device which had legs that stuck >out >> like a pincushion around it, such that only one leg was touching the >ground >> at one time – it was attacked by this thing, tearing his clothes. >> He told his story to police who checked the evidence left behind – while a >> sketch was made of it, they didn’t highlight what sort of imprint the legs >> left behind? >> The two incidents seem to be the same? About 80 years apart. >> Harvey >> In article <a70kar$hoq4…@ID-73971.news.dfncis.de>, >> ollie.sandcas…@ntlworld.com says… >> >I warn ye though – it really is a scary kind o’ thing, even after having >> >plowed through a lot of quite weird stuff. When I was much younger, I >used >> >to eat all that Strange Phenomenatrice sort o’ stuff up like you wouldn’t >> >believe. ‘Cos it was all just weird ghost stories, and it was a pleasant >> >escape. The age when I used to believe in all manner of far out gear, is >an >> >age that I miss…nowadays, I am interested in strange phenomena mainly >from >> >the folkloric kind of angle, e.g why do people believe in this and that >and >> >so forth, but I read "The Mothman Prophecies" fairly recently, and it >> >disturbed me because a) the high strangeness (usually, I tend to think >that >> >high strangeness reports are so very odd that not even a nutter could >have >> >thought it up) and b) the whole atmosphere of brooding insanity and >paranoia >> >just really made me convinced that some really weird stuff must have been >> >going down… >> >But if asked, my favourite weird things of all time would have to be: >> >1) The Mothman Stuff >> >2) The Jersey Devil >> >3) The Flatwoods Monster >> >4) The Russian Flying Man >> >5) The Ferndale (W.A) "Flap" of the 1920’s >> >6) Peculiar "Phantom" sieges [v. high strangeness rating] >> >7) the odder UFO reports [too many to chronicle, enough to disprove the >nuts >> >and bolts ETH hypothesis], including the kind of gear that was apparently >> >going on at the mouth of the Amazon back in the late 1970’s, e.g with the >> >"Chupas" and the deer hunters & fishermen that were seemingly either the >> >victim of "vampires" or some seriously fucked up aliens… >> >8) Some of the seriously deranged & well documented poltergeist >phenomena… >> >9) Anything really odd, really… >> >OTS

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I warn ye though – it really is a scary kind o’ thing, even after having plowed through a lot of quite weird stuff. When I was much younger, I used to eat all that Strange Phenomenatrice sort o’ stuff up like you wouldn’t believe. ‘Cos it was all just weird ghost stories, and it was a pleasant escape. The age when I used to believe in all manner of far out gear, is an age that I miss…nowadays, I am interested in strange phenomena mainly from the folkloric kind of angle, e.g why do people believe in this and that and so forth, but I read "The Mothman Prophecies" fairly recently, and it disturbed me because a) the high strangeness (usually, I tend to think that high strangeness reports are so very odd that not even a nutter could have thought it up) and b) the whole atmosphere of brooding insanity and paranoia just really made me convinced that some really weird stuff must have been going down… But if asked, my favourite weird things of all time would have to be: 1) The Mothman Stuff 2) The Jersey Devil 3) The Flatwoods Monster 4) The Russian Flying Man 5) The Ferndale (W.A) "Flap" of the 1920’s 6) Peculiar "Phantom" sieges [v. high strangeness rating] 7) the odder UFO reports [too many to chronicle, enough to disprove the nuts and bolts ETH hypothesis], including the kind of gear that was apparently going on at the mouth of the Amazon back in the late 1970’s, e.g with the "Chupas" and the deer hunters & fishermen that were seemingly either the victim of "vampires" or some seriously fucked up aliens… Some of the seriously deranged & well documented poltergeist phenomena… 9) Anything really odd, really… OTS "Harvey @ Home" <kiwil…@paradise.net.notaus> wrote in message news:zpOk8.3436$Qo2.414823@news02.tsnz.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> You might as well ask about pre-destination – with the view that accidents > are not accidents at all – but events timed to happen with everyone due to > appear at their right time – for their own death. > Some people escape the accident – their predestination, and others are > scedhuled for it. > And nothing is ever an accident – not even those who meet and contact here, > in this newsgroup. > It’s not that we don’t have a choice – we always do, but some things in > life we cannot escape from – thank heavens we don’t know what that is, or > we’d all be seriously paranoia about almost everything. > Different paths are possible, and if you want to do something really bad, > you have to make the effort and do it. > There are weird stuff that can truly blow your mind and senses – real > scary stuff. Conspiracies, spontaneous combustion stories, alien abduction > stories – ghost stories in comparison seem somewhat tamer. > I’ll see if that John Keel book is in the local library – otherwise the > library can interloan it for me. We have a pretty good city library here. > Harvey > In article <a6u6mv$h1d4…@ID-73971.news.dfncis.de>, > ollie.sandcas…@ntlworld.com says… > >The collapse of the Silver bridge might well have been due to metal fatigue, > >but the whole point of what happened was weird shit had been going down over > >in the vicinity for quite some time, and there was a hell of a contactee > >phenomenon going on at that time. The guy who was investigating it at the > >time (John Keel) was getting all kinds of weird predictions (some of which > >came true in a necessarily indirect fashion), but at the precise moment at > >which the Men In Black and all the other weirdos, "denizens of the > >SuperSpectrum" elected to predict that something would go wrong when the > >Xmas tree was switched on at the White House (a power cut was predicted to > >occur), well, the Silver Bridge ended up doing what it did…which makes the > >curious begin to wonder if angels can sometimes talk dangerous > >bollocks…sometimes, they lie, sometimes it seems as if intelligence is > >just a tool that is used incidentally by forces we’d be better off not > >knowing about… > >Anyhow, just read "The Mothman Prophecies" by John Keel, although it might > >seriously interfere in your ability to comfortably get to sleep some > >evenings…that shit is seriously scary. Also, it isn’t the only literature > >I’ve stumbled across where the paranormal ended up apparently killing > >people. > >OTS > >"Harvey @ Home" <kiwil…@paradise.net.notaus> wrote in message > >news:QXbk8.3107$Qo2.354491@news02.tsnz.net… > >> I haven’t read into traditional faeries and goblins etc – which may these > >> days be viewed as perhaps having a UFO/alien connection? > >> I’m not familiar with the Mothman prophecies. > >> The Silver Bridge collapse (and other engineering disasters/etc) was > >covered > >> I believe in a TV program called "Why buildings fall down" > >> (an excellent series by the way) which usually > >> shows them to be metal fatigue, bad design or manufacturing or not built > >to > >> specifications. My memory is hazy about the specifics of the silver > >bridge – > >> it was a due to man and not anything supernatural. > >> Ghosts are usually attributed to – after-images of the deceased or where > >> they hang around out of habit and not going where they should – not > >wanting > >> to depart this world, even though their physical body is gone. > >> Harvey > >> In article <a6r8n4$g5ae…@ID-73971.news.dfncis.de>, > >> ollie.sandcas…@ntlworld.com says… > >> >But what about "The Mothman Prophecies"? What kind of sense can you make > >out > >> >of the truly paranormal phenomena? Ghosts, fairies, aliens, call ‘em what > >> >you will, can sometimes make bad things happen…like the Silver Bridge > >> >collapsing into the Ohio River back in ‘67… > >> >OTS > >> >"Harvey @ Home" <kiwil…@paradise.net.notaus> wrote in message > >> >news:I5Zj8.3012$Qo2.329261@news02.tsnz.net… > >> >> Some stories do not go away. People may think they are like Santa Claus > >> >> and the Easter Bunny, but I tend to think they are more like ghosts – > >> >> that don’t go away. > >> >> Stories that border on the bizarre … > >> >> eg. > >> >> Bigfoot > >> >> his cousin – the abominable snowman (Yeti) less is heard of this one. > >> >> Loch ness (this one’s lair is pointed out in "The Convoluted Universe") > >> >> Oga Pooga (mis spelled, but something like this, a cousin of Loch ness) > >> >> The Hollow Earth – this has a lot of weird stuff attached to it. The > >earth > >> >> is hollow and there’s an advanced race living inside, openings in north > >> >and > >> >> south poles, stories of sightings there by early artic and antartic > >> >explorers. > >> >> Truly weird – this story does not go away. > >> >> Atlantis and other advanced civilisations of the past. The Great > >Pyramid > >> >> not built by egyptians but an older race – somehow these pyramids > >> >(elsewhere > >> >> too) use an iron i-bar (flat) that connects the blocks, that this was > >> >molten > >> >> when poured. All the megalithic monuments and buildings/etc were using > >an > >> >> alternate technology which allowed them to work in stone – that can’t > >be > >> >> duplicated today. See Chris Dunn’s website – he’s an egineer who looks > >at > >> >> the Great Pyramid closely. > >> >> This implies that we are not the first highly developed civilisation > >upon > >> >> this earth, that in fact this is the third. The second is Atlantis, the > >> >> first being referenced in the Bible when gods walked this earth in > >> >antiquity. > >> >> Basically this list goes on and on and includes – > >> >> UFOs > >> >> Alien abductions – altering the DNA structure of humankind to prepare > >for > >> >>                    a new earth to be seeded, and these mutants to be > >> >placed > >> >>                    on. > >> >> Human aura > >> >> reincarnation > >> >> Philadelphia Experiment – did this really take place? > >> >> Crop circles – some are genuine > >> >> Out of body experiences (OOBE) and Near Death Experiences (nde) > >> >> History of this solar system, and the seeding of this Earth – ie. by > >> >aliens. > >> >> Of course, a lot of this ties in with each other — > >> >> eg. > >> >> aliens – ancient civilisations – history of this earth – Hollow > >> >Earth – - – - > >> >> It is not the case of just one story that is each topic, but there are > >> >> many other stories that tie in with the one topic. > >> >> With UFOs there is the sheer number and variety of UFO sightings that > >> >cannot > >> >> be easily dismissed. Not just in recent times, but throughout human > >> >history. > >> >> A good book for this is the 1956 book "The Case for the UFO" and of a > >> >> similar vintage "UFO and the Bible" by M.K. Jessup. > >> >> How does this tie in with loneliness. > >> >> We are not alone – not by our wildest dreams – are we alone – not in > >life, > >> >> and certainly not in death. > >> >> Any comments? > >> >> Harvey

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You might as well ask about pre-destination – with the view that accidents are not accidents at all – but events timed to happen with everyone due to appear at their right time – for their own death. Some people escape the accident – their predestination, and others are scedhuled for it. And nothing is ever an accident – not even those who meet and contact here, in this newsgroup. It’s not that we don’t have a choice – we always do, but some things in life we cannot escape from – thank heavens we don’t know what that is, or we’d all be seriously paranoia about almost everything. Different paths are possible, and if you want to do something really bad, you have to make the effort and do it. There are weird stuff that can truly blow your mind and senses – real scary stuff. Conspiracies, spontaneous combustion stories, alien abduction stories – ghost stories in comparison seem somewhat tamer. I’ll see if that John Keel book is in the local library – otherwise the library can interloan it for me. We have a pretty good city library here. Harvey In article <a6u6mv$h1d4…@ID-73971.news.dfncis.de>, ollie.sandcas…@ntlworld.com says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->The collapse of the Silver bridge might well have been due to metal fatigue, >but the whole point of what happened was weird shit had been going down over >in the vicinity for quite some time, and there was a hell of a contactee >phenomenon going on at that time. The guy who was investigating it at the >time (John Keel) was getting all kinds of weird predictions (some of which >came true in a necessarily indirect fashion), but at the precise moment at >which the Men In Black and all the other weirdos, "denizens of the >SuperSpectrum" elected to predict that something would go wrong when the >Xmas tree was switched on at the White House (a power cut was predicted to >occur), well, the Silver Bridge ended up doing what it did…which makes the >curious begin to wonder if angels can sometimes talk dangerous >bollocks…sometimes, they lie, sometimes it seems as if intelligence is >just a tool that is used incidentally by forces we’d be better off not >knowing about… >Anyhow, just read "The Mothman Prophecies" by John Keel, although it might >seriously interfere in your ability to comfortably get to sleep some >evenings…that shit is seriously scary. Also, it isn’t the only literature >I’ve stumbled across where the paranormal ended up apparently killing >people. >OTS >"Harvey @ Home" <kiwil…@paradise.net.notaus> wrote in message >news:QXbk8.3107$Qo2.354491@news02.tsnz.net… >> I haven’t read into traditional faeries and goblins etc – which may these >> days be viewed as perhaps having a UFO/alien connection? >> I’m not familiar with the Mothman prophecies. >> The Silver Bridge collapse (and other engineering disasters/etc) was >covered >> I believe in a TV program called "Why buildings fall down" >> (an excellent series by the way) which usually >> shows them to be metal fatigue, bad design or manufacturing or not built >to >> specifications. My memory is hazy about the specifics of the silver >bridge – >> it was a due to man and not anything supernatural. >> Ghosts are usually attributed to – after-images of the deceased or where >> they hang around out of habit and not going where they should – not >wanting >> to depart this world, even though their physical body is gone. >> Harvey >> In article <a6r8n4$g5ae…@ID-73971.news.dfncis.de>, >> ollie.sandcas…@ntlworld.com says… >> >But what about "The Mothman Prophecies"? What kind of sense can you make >out >> >of the truly paranormal phenomena? Ghosts, fairies, aliens, call ‘em what >> >you will, can sometimes make bad things happen…like the Silver Bridge >> >collapsing into the Ohio River back in ‘67… >> >OTS >> >"Harvey @ Home" <kiwil…@paradise.net.notaus> wrote in message >> >news:I5Zj8.3012$Qo2.329261@news02.tsnz.net… >> >> Some stories do not go away. People may think they are like Santa Claus >> >> and the Easter Bunny, but I tend to think they are more like ghosts – >> >> that don’t go away. >> >> Stories that border on the bizarre … >> >> eg. >> >> Bigfoot >> >> his cousin – the abominable snowman (Yeti) less is heard of this one. >> >> Loch ness (this one’s lair is pointed out in "The Convoluted Universe") >> >> Oga Pooga (mis spelled, but something like this, a cousin of Loch ness) >> >> The Hollow Earth – this has a lot of weird stuff attached to it. The >earth >> >> is hollow and there’s an advanced race living inside, openings in north >> >and >> >> south poles, stories of sightings there by early artic and antartic >> >explorers. >> >> Truly weird – this story does not go away. >> >> Atlantis and other advanced civilisations of the past. The Great >Pyramid >> >> not built by egyptians but an older race – somehow these pyramids >> >(elsewhere >> >> too) use an iron i-bar (flat) that connects the blocks, that this was >> >molten >> >> when poured. All the megalithic monuments and buildings/etc were using >an >> >> alternate technology which allowed them to work in stone – that can’t >be >> >> duplicated today. See Chris Dunn’s website – he’s an egineer who looks >at >> >> the Great Pyramid closely. >> >> This implies that we are not the first highly developed civilisation >upon >> >> this earth, that in fact this is the third. The second is Atlantis, the >> >> first being referenced in the Bible when gods walked this earth in >> >antiquity. >> >> Basically this list goes on and on and includes – >> >> UFOs >> >> Alien abductions – altering the DNA structure of humankind to prepare >for >> >>                    a new earth to be seeded, and these mutants to be >> >placed >> >>                    on. >> >> Human aura >> >> reincarnation >> >> Philadelphia Experiment – did this really take place? >> >> Crop circles – some are genuine >> >> Out of body experiences (OOBE) and Near Death Experiences (nde) >> >> History of this solar system, and the seeding of this Earth – ie. by >> >aliens. >> >> Of course, a lot of this ties in with each other — >> >> eg. >> >> aliens – ancient civilisations – history of this earth – Hollow >> >Earth – - – - >> >> It is not the case of just one story that is each topic, but there are >> >> many other stories that tie in with the one topic. >> >> With UFOs there is the sheer number and variety of UFO sightings that >> >cannot >> >> be easily dismissed. Not just in recent times, but throughout human >> >history. >> >> A good book for this is the 1956 book "The Case for the UFO" and of a >> >> similar vintage "UFO and the Bible" by M.K. Jessup. >> >> How does this tie in with loneliness. >> >> We are not alone – not by our wildest dreams – are we alone – not in >life, >> >> and certainly not in death. >> >> Any comments? >> >> Harvey

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In my late teens – after I left High School, I went on a reading journey, reading all manner of books, averaging a book a week over 3 years – and I read everything kind of thing, novels, best sellers, non-fiction and eventually seemed to be reading about the paranormal – more so, after reading a book by Lobsang Rampa – eventually read all of his books. His is a weird story, very unbelievable, yet what he writes tend to believable, or so I feel. Yet all his adventures tend to tip towards one man experiencing all this to be unbelievable. He tends to consistant enough to have an interesting story to tell. In reading lots of different things, I have only one incident which stick in my mind to be the same thing – at different times, from different perspectives. The Devils Hoofprints of Devon in the 1980s’ – one incident that was reported in ‘The Case for the UFO’ was commented on in "The Annotated Edition of ‘The Case for the UFO’ – how a one? legged animal made imprints in the snow that went anywhere and everywhere, crossing fences, walls, houses, etc – in the annotations, the writer said it was a measure-marker device gone haywire. In the early 80s? there was a UFO incident in Arthur C Clarke’s Mysterious World TV series, in which an English gamekeeper was interrupted in his rounds – by a UFO device – a spherical device which had legs that stuck out like a pincushion around it, such that only one leg was touching the ground at one time – it was attacked by this thing, tearing his clothes. He told his story to police who checked the evidence left behind – while a sketch was made of it, they didn’t highlight what sort of imprint the legs left behind? The two incidents seem to be the same? About 80 years apart. Harvey In article <a70kar$hoq4…@ID-73971.news.dfncis.de>, ollie.sandcas…@ntlworld.com says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I warn ye though – it really is a scary kind o’ thing, even after having >plowed through a lot of quite weird stuff. When I was much younger, I used >to eat all that Strange Phenomenatrice sort o’ stuff up like you wouldn’t >believe. ‘Cos it was all just weird ghost stories, and it was a pleasant >escape. The age when I used to believe in all manner of far out gear, is an >age that I miss…nowadays, I am interested in strange phenomena mainly from >the folkloric kind of angle, e.g why do people believe in this and that and >so forth, but I read "The Mothman Prophecies" fairly recently, and it >disturbed me because a) the high strangeness (usually, I tend to think that >high strangeness reports are so very odd that not even a nutter could have >thought it up) and b) the whole atmosphere of brooding insanity and paranoia >just really made me convinced that some really weird stuff must have been >going down… >But if asked, my favourite weird things of all time would have to be: >1) The Mothman Stuff >2) The Jersey Devil >3) The Flatwoods Monster >4) The Russian Flying Man >5) The Ferndale (W.A) "Flap" of the 1920’s >6) Peculiar "Phantom" sieges [v. high strangeness rating] >7) the odder UFO reports [too many to chronicle, enough to disprove the nuts >and bolts ETH hypothesis], including the kind of gear that was apparently >going on at the mouth of the Amazon back in the late 1970’s, e.g with the >"Chupas" and the deer hunters & fishermen that were seemingly either the >victim of "vampires" or some seriously fucked up aliens… >8) Some of the seriously deranged & well documented poltergeist phenomena… >9) Anything really odd, really… >OTS

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"Harvey @ Home" <kiwil…@paradise.net.notaus> schreef in bericht news:I5Zj8.3012$Qo2.329261@news02.tsnz.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Some stories do not go away. People may think they are like Santa Claus > and the Easter Bunny, but I tend to think they are more like ghosts – > that don’t go away. > Stories that border on the bizarre … > eg. > Bigfoot > his cousin – the abominable snowman (Yeti) less is heard of this one. > Loch ness (this one’s lair is pointed out in "The Convoluted Universe") > Oga Pooga (mis spelled, but something like this, a cousin of Loch ness) > The Hollow Earth – this has a lot of weird stuff attached to it. The earth > is hollow and there’s an advanced race living inside, openings in north and > south poles, stories of sightings there by early artic and antartic explorers. > Truly weird – this story does not go away. > Atlantis and other advanced civilisations of the past. The Great Pyramid > not built by egyptians but an older race – somehow these pyramids (elsewhere > too) use an iron i-bar (flat) that connects the blocks, that this was molten > when poured. All the megalithic monuments and buildings/etc were using an > alternate technology which allowed them to work in stone – that can’t be > duplicated today. See Chris Dunn’s website – he’s an egineer who looks at > the Great Pyramid closely. > This implies that we are not the first highly developed civilisation upon > this earth, that in fact this is the third. The second is Atlantis, the > first being referenced in the Bible when gods walked this earth in antiquity. > Basically this list goes on and on and includes – > UFOs > Alien abductions – altering the DNA structure of humankind to prepare for >                    a new earth to be seeded, and these mutants to be placed >                    on. > Human aura > reincarnation > Philadelphia Experiment – did this really take place? > Crop circles – some are genuine > Out of body experiences (OOBE) and Near Death Experiences (nde) > History of this solar system, and the seeding of this Earth – ie. by aliens. > Of course, a lot of this ties in with each other — > eg. > aliens – ancient civilisations – history of this earth – Hollow Earth – - – - > It is not the case of just one story that is each topic, but there are > many other stories that tie in with the one topic. > With UFOs there is the sheer number and variety of UFO sightings that cannot > be easily dismissed. Not just in recent times, but throughout human history. > A good book for this is the 1956 book "The Case for the UFO" and of a > similar vintage "UFO and the Bible" by M.K. Jessup. > How does this tie in with loneliness. > We are not alone – not by our wildest dreams – are we alone – not in life, > and certainly not in death. > Any comments?

Since you asked For all intents and purposes; yes we are alone but no not in our wildest dreams. When we put our imagination to work we can create worlds that are very different from the real thing. Or put things into this world that would make it a little more interesting. In our dreams we get visits from the other side of the universe and mysterious beasts can roam the earth. We find the remains of ancient civilizations and explain the unexplained by letting go of logic or common sense. In our dreams we have the power to heal and we never get hurt. In our dreams we can be whatever we want to be. In our dreams we can live the life we

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