About love in one's life
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Er, right. It’s just another meditation thing that people are going to be going through. The more I hear about it, well the more I’ll ignore it because I’ll probably hear about it through the media, and I really hate the media. I’m perfectly happy with my views on life and ’spirituality’. I am just always unhappy when someone tries to justify romantic love as something almost godlike, because it seems to me the evidence overwhelmingly points to it being something COMPLETELY human, about instinct, posession, and sex. Just another person trying to dress fucking up in flowery words. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Love *is* powerful. I just don’t think it’s what we think it is. I’ll take a > wild > guess that the love that New Agers — or at least some areas of New Age > – talk about has less to do with passion (which is exceptionally > conditional) than it has to do with the spirit’s love (entirely > unconditional). > The spirit being that very core within all of us. That which makes us ‘one’. > If I am you at my core, I must love you as such. Didn’t Jesus say something > to the effect of "treat them as you would have them treat you"? > Homosexuals, imo aren’t hurting anyone. That which happens here on earth > is not real. They are just experiencing life a little differently. Hell, > maybe > they’re homosexuals because they treated a homosexual badly in their > previous life and now they need to know how it feels? I don’t know… > I still don’t buy into reincarnation. > But I am starting to realise that time doesn’t exist and that everything is > happening all at once. Something to the effect of "in the same moment > we split from the being, we joined him again." Sorry that one’s particularly > difficult to articulate. > It seems to me at least that Harvey’s right: we will keep hearing more and > more of this stuff. But as Eerie said, it has been around for ages. I just > think > that due to technology, ideas can circulate much faster nowadays. > Otoh, once one has started on their spiritual path, one keeps meeting more > and more people on their own path. Life is like that. So it does indeed feel > as > if more people are suddenly becoming turned on to enlightenment. > – Michaela
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As I said earlier, I’m going to come back as a sprout. OTS "OB" <nevilemo…@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:6ebc501c.0309171031.32793729@posting.google.com… > kiwilove_nospample…@paradise.net.atearoa (My name = Harvey) wrote in
message <news:stR9b.1828$tv1.209032@news02.tsnz.net>… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > There is of course, no difference between homosexual love and heterosexual > > love – they are both of passion, spirit and heart. > > Those believing in reincarnation know that one’s sex does change in different > > lives – you can have a female spirit in a male physical body, and vice > > versa. > > I don’t know the spiritual view about sexual orientation – to know in > > detail about homosexuals and their lesson here. > > Harvey > Let’s get this straight. You believe that people have (at least) a > body, a mind and a "spirit" (whatever this is). Possibly other stuff, > like a "soul", but let’s stick to the first three. It’s well known > that people’s bodies can be male or female. According to a fairly > broad consensus, minds also display sexual dimorphism, such that one > can have a "female mind trapped in a male body", e.g. Now you’re > saying that "spirits" are also gendered? And worse still, that they > display "orientation", the same as minds (and arguably, bodies) do? So > in sum, we have an array of three gender variables each with a number > of possible values equalling the number of available genders (2) times > the number of available orientations (3? straight, gay or bi, leaving > out the theoretical possibility of "asexual" as an orientation). Thus > each person’s full gender/orientation description can have any of 216 > possible values, including such interesting combinations as "a lesbian > spirit and a homosexual male mind trapped in a straight male body", > not to be confused with "a male bisexual spirit and a heterosexual > female mind comfortably clothed in a gay male body", etc. > No wonder it’s so hard to find someone you can really feel comfortable > with. > > In article <90K9b.12283$4W5.107619…@news-text.cableinet.net>, mr_teatime007 > > @hotmail.com says… > > >I’ll be more willing to believe this when someone can explain to me why two > > >heterosexual males can’t be ‘in love’, or find love in their gaze at each > > >other – because this love is so fucking transcendant, right? > > >> This is from a later part of "Reaching to Heaven" by James van Praagh, > > >> A spiritual journey through life and death. > > >> What is this thing called love? Is it a natural instinct that we are born > > >> with? Is it a behaviour that we have to learn and become conditioned to > > >> accept? Is it a feeling captured in a lover’s gaze? Or is it, perhaps, > > >> a mysterious, out-of-reach star — something that we will have to strive > > >> lifetimes to attain? > > >> I personally believe that love is ‘all’. I believe that it is that God > > >> Force energy of which we are a part. This force is represented spiritually > > >> by the Light, and we are of the Light. The brighter our light, the > > stronger > > >> is our awareness of this part of our nature. We are born with this sense > > >> of our light, and are encouraged either to increase it or hide it from > > >> ourselves and from the rest of the world. Some of us lose sight of our > > >> light and spend our life searching for poor substitutes for love. > > >> Drugs, sex, and violence are some of love’s replacements. > > >> When we begin to recognise the light of love within ourselves, it is > > >> easier to it in another. When two people are "in love", they see the light > > >> in each other. The world outside does not exist for them because they are > > >> in their private world of love, and they feel the splendour and joy that > > >> love bestows. > > >> When you begin to live from the inner light of your soul, the deepest > > >> center of love, you truly begin to live as a spiritual being. Like someone > > >> in love, you experience a relationship with your "heart self". Each time > > >> you have a kind thought, say a kind word, or are of serving to someone, > > you > > >> are living the divine principle of love, and your love center expands. > > >> You start to see the world through loving eyes and feel the beauty and > > >> joy in all things. In essence, you experience heaven on earth. > > >> This is insightful about a lot of things – worthwhile getting out from the > > >> local library, or even buying – to keep it handy when you need to know > > >> why you’re here on this earth at all. > > >> (and hey, if you don’t believe in this kind of stuff – get use to it, > > >> because you’ll get to hear more and more about it [this kind of talking] > > >> whether in this life, or the next, etc…) The more you listen to it, > > >> the more it makes sense – instead of the crap that passes for ‘reality’ > > >> here – and established thinking, the ‘norm’. etc. That which is hogwash. > > >> Harvey
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You are what you are – and you are what you want to be. Harvey In article <bknk1t$3rh1…@ID-73971.news.uni-berlin.de>, omega.point@ntlworld .com says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->As I said earlier, I’m going to come back as a sprout. >OTS >"OB" <nevilemo…@yahoo.com> wrote in message >news:6ebc501c.0309171031.32793729@posting.google.com… >> kiwilove_nospample…@paradise.net.atearoa (My name = Harvey) wrote in >message <news:stR9b.1828$tv1.209032@news02.tsnz.net>… >> > There is of course, no difference between homosexual love and >heterosexual >> > love – they are both of passion, spirit and heart. >> > Those believing in reincarnation know that one’s sex does change in >different >> > lives – you can have a female spirit in a male physical body, and vice >> > versa. >> > I don’t know the spiritual view about sexual orientation – to know in >> > detail about homosexuals and their lesson here. >> > Harvey >> Let’s get this straight. You believe that people have (at least) a >> body, a mind and a "spirit" (whatever this is). Possibly other stuff, >> like a "soul", but let’s stick to the first three. It’s well known >> that people’s bodies can be male or female. According to a fairly >> broad consensus, minds also display sexual dimorphism, such that one >> can have a "female mind trapped in a male body", e.g. Now you’re >> saying that "spirits" are also gendered? And worse still, that they >> display "orientation", the same as minds (and arguably, bodies) do? So >> in sum, we have an array of three gender variables each with a number >> of possible values equalling the number of available genders (2) times >> the number of available orientations (3? straight, gay or bi, leaving >> out the theoretical possibility of "asexual" as an orientation). Thus >> each person’s full gender/orientation description can have any of 216 >> possible values, including such interesting combinations as "a lesbian >> spirit and a homosexual male mind trapped in a straight male body", >> not to be confused with "a male bisexual spirit and a heterosexual >> female mind comfortably clothed in a gay male body", etc. >> No wonder it’s so hard to find someone you can really feel comfortable >> with. >> > In article <90K9b.12283$4W5.107619…@news-text.cableinet.net>, >mr_teatime007 >> > @hotmail.com says… >> > >I’ll be more willing to believe this when someone can explain to me why >two >> > >heterosexual males can’t be ‘in love’, or find love in their gaze at >each >> > >other – because this love is so fucking transcendant, right? >> > >> This is from a later part of "Reaching to Heaven" by James van >Praagh, >> > >> A spiritual journey through life and death. >> > >> What is this thing called love? Is it a natural instinct that we are >born >> > >> with? Is it a behaviour that we have to learn and become conditioned >to >> > >> accept? Is it a feeling captured in a lover’s gaze? Or is it, >perhaps, >> > >> a mysterious, out-of-reach star — something that we will have to >strive >> > >> lifetimes to attain? >> > >> I personally believe that love is ‘all’. I believe that it is that >God >> > >> Force energy of which we are a part. This force is represented >spiritually >> > >> by the Light, and we are of the Light. The brighter our light, the >> > stronger >> > >> is our awareness of this part of our nature. We are born with this >sense >> > >> of our light, and are encouraged either to increase it or hide it >from >> > >> ourselves and from the rest of the world. Some of us lose sight of >our >> > >> light and spend our life searching for poor substitutes for love. >> > >> Drugs, sex, and violence are some of love’s replacements. >> > >> When we begin to recognise the light of love within ourselves, it >is >> > >> easier to it in another. When two people are "in love", they see the >light >> > >> in each other. The world outside does not exist for them because they >are >> > >> in their private world of love, and they feel the splendour and joy >that >> > >> love bestows. >> > >> When you begin to live from the inner light of your soul, the >deepest >> > >> center of love, you truly begin to live as a spiritual being. Like >someone >> > >> in love, you experience a relationship with your "heart self". Each >time >> > >> you have a kind thought, say a kind word, or are of serving to >someone, >> > you >> > >> are living the divine principle of love, and your love center >expands. >> > >> You start to see the world through loving eyes and feel the beauty >and >> > >> joy in all things. In essence, you experience heaven on earth. >> > >> This is insightful about a lot of things – worthwhile getting out >from the >> > >> local library, or even buying – to keep it handy when you need to >know >> > >> why you’re here on this earth at all. >> > >> (and hey, if you don’t believe in this kind of stuff – get use to it, >> > >> because you’ll get to hear more and more about it [this kind of >talking] >> > >> whether in this life, or the next, etc…) The more you listen to >it, >> > >> the more it makes sense – instead of the crap that passes for >’reality’ >> > >> here – and established thinking, the ‘norm’. etc. That which is >hogwash. >> > >> Harvey >— >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.520 / Virus Database: 318 – Release Date: 18/09/2003
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Sprouts unconditionally love. OTS "Michaela" <michaelamackenzie05072…@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:3271bf15.0310060223.7b90c729@posting.google.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Mr. Teatime" wrote > > "arie" wrote > > > Mr. Teatime wrote > > > >"My name = Harvey" wrote > > > >> There is of course, no difference between homosexual love and > > heterosexual > > > >> love – they are both of passion, spirit and heart. > > > >> Those believing in reincarnation know that one’s sex does change in > > different > > > >> lives – you can have a female spirit in a male physical body, and vice > > > >> versa. > > > >> I don’t know the spiritual view about sexual orientation – to know in > > > >> detail about homosexuals and their lesson here. > > > >> Harvey > > > >I was asking why sexuality determines who one loves, if love is so > > powerful, > > > >why is it limited by sex? > > > It’s not. > > The ‘romantic love’ the original poster was babbling about is, and that’s > > what I’m talking about, the type of ‘love’ that one feels for a romantic > > partner. > Imo romantic love isn’t love. The main > differences between romantic ‘love’ and real > love is that one takes no effort and the other > is all effort. Real love is about doing good > to and for others with no hope or desire of > anything in return. Romantic ‘love’ is about > doing things for one’s partner in the hope that > they will appreciate you and feel beholden to > you and that they won’t try to look for greener > grass and because you FEAR that if you don’t > look after them, they will lose interest in > you. > Real love is unconditional and romantic love > is conditional: "I will love you as long as > you don’t change"; "I will love you as long as > you do what makes me happy"; "I will love you > because you have beautiful hair/a great ass/ > make enough $$$/buy me nice things/etc." > The confusion comes in because people have > expectations of the other without being > prepared to do the same in return. > I cannot hope to gain real love from someone > by using a conditional approach. > – Michaela
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You can have any kind of love you wish for, in your romantic relationship – even a deep spiritual unconditional love, in which you love simply because you wish to. That’s the thing about what you desire, in your own reasoning and logic – you can have it any way you wish it to. I don’t think that real love obeys laws and is subject to conditions. That love can have it’s own nature, and it’s own laws – and giving in to love, can be the most wonderful thing you can ever experience, and it can be ‘real’ with the right person who appreciates such love. Maybe I am living in a dream, and when I wake up, I will be in the real world – meaning, the world over there, when you pass from this dream, of a life. And waking up, as via suicide is like waking up from a nightmare – Oh, what have I done? kind of one. Harvey In article <3271bf15.0310060223.7b90c…@posting.google.com>, michaelamackenzie05072…@yahoo.com says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->"Mr. Teatime" wrote >> "arie" wrote >> > Mr. Teatime wrote >> > >"My name = Harvey" wrote >> > >> There is of course, no difference between homosexual love and >> heterosexual >> > >> love – they are both of passion, spirit and heart. >> > >> Those believing in reincarnation know that one’s sex does change in >> different >> > >> lives – you can have a female spirit in a male physical body, and vice >> > >> versa. >> > >> I don’t know the spiritual view about sexual orientation – to know in >> > >> detail about homosexuals and their lesson here. >> > >> Harvey >> > >I was asking why sexuality determines who one loves, if love is so >> powerful, >> > >why is it limited by sex? >> > It’s not. >> The ‘romantic love’ the original poster was babbling about is, and that’s >> what I’m talking about, the type of ‘love’ that one feels for a romantic >> partner. >Imo romantic love isn’t love. The main >differences between romantic ‘love’ and real >love is that one takes no effort and the other >is all effort. Real love is about doing good >to and for others with no hope or desire of >anything in return. Romantic ‘love’ is about >doing things for one’s partner in the hope that >they will appreciate you and feel beholden to >you and that they won’t try to look for greener >grass and because you FEAR that if you don’t >look after them, they will lose interest in >you. >Real love is unconditional and romantic love >is conditional: "I will love you as long as >you don’t change"; "I will love you as long as >you do what makes me happy"; "I will love you >because you have beautiful hair/a great ass/ >make enough $$$/buy me nice things/etc." >The confusion comes in because people have >expectations of the other without being >prepared to do the same in return. >I cannot hope to gain real love from someone >by using a conditional approach. >- Michaela
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"Mr. Teatime" wrote – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "arie" wrote > > Mr. Teatime wrote > > >"My name = Harvey" wrote > > >> There is of course, no difference between homosexual love and > heterosexual > > >> love – they are both of passion, spirit and heart. > > >> Those believing in reincarnation know that one’s sex does change in > different > > >> lives – you can have a female spirit in a male physical body, and vice > > >> versa. > > >> I don’t know the spiritual view about sexual orientation – to know in > > >> detail about homosexuals and their lesson here. > > >> Harvey > > >I was asking why sexuality determines who one loves, if love is so > powerful, > > >why is it limited by sex? > > It’s not. > The ‘romantic love’ the original poster was babbling about is, and that’s > what I’m talking about, the type of ‘love’ that one feels for a romantic > partner.
Imo romantic love isn’t love. The main differences between romantic ‘love’ and real love is that one takes no effort and the other is all effort. Real love is about doing good to and for others with no hope or desire of anything in return. Romantic ‘love’ is about doing things for one’s partner in the hope that they will appreciate you and feel beholden to you and that they won’t try to look for greener grass and because you FEAR that if you don’t look after them, they will lose interest in you. Real love is unconditional and romantic love is conditional: "I will love you as long as you don’t change"; "I will love you as long as you do what makes me happy"; "I will love you because you have beautiful hair/a great ass/ make enough $$$/buy me nice things/etc." The confusion comes in because people have expectations of the other without being prepared to do the same in return. I cannot hope to gain real love from someone by using a conditional approach. – Michaela
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"Mr. Teatime" <mr_teatime…@hotmail.com> wrote in message <news:HN4ab.508$fR1.4717801@news-text.cableinet.net>… > Er, right. It’s just another meditation thing that people are going to be > going through. The more I hear about it, well the more I’ll ignore it > because I’ll probably hear about it through the media, and I really hate the > media. I’m perfectly happy with my views on life and ’spirituality’. I am > just always unhappy when someone tries to justify romantic love as something > almost godlike, because it seems to me the evidence overwhelmingly points to > it being something COMPLETELY human, about instinct, posession, and sex. > Just another person trying to dress fucking up in flowery words.
I harbor the same skepticism you do WRT such vague talk. The Bible I’ll take as poetry, thank ye very much, but most others I look at with the greatest and gravest askance. Even M. Scott Peck, of "The Road Less Traveled" fame (which has spawned a sequel and a "workbook" to boot!). If you are like me (well, I’m not unhappy usually, though I can’t say that I’m exactly happy either), then you might learn something from Erich Fromm’s "Art of Loving". It’s very straightforward, no tripe about "the light" and so forth, and quite analytical. Of course, it winds up a bit mystical towards the end, insofar as it leaves the matter of "theory" and prepares for "practice", but given the subject matter, a sense of wonder and awe cannot be helped, and is frankly much in keeping, even necessary. Put it this way: it’s the ONLY book out there which will tell you the truth, that love isn’t the easiest thing, that it’s the hardest thing anyone can attempt (including these New Age babes and gurus). It’s the only one that simply looks at the problem, at the issues involved. It actually defines that amorphous word, "love", instead of presuming that we’re all on the same page. It’s the only book that will tell you that the whole concept of love is "invented" by HUMAN BEINGS, there’s nothing "divine" about it in the way meant colloquially. But it’s not as vulgarly iconoclastic as I may be representing it; it’s just, as I’ve said, straightforward. Even with the bit of mysticism at the end (quoting the Sufi poet Rumi). As for myself, I’m still wallowing, not unlike Sissyphus, not unhappily in a way, with just sex and the singles scene. But I do thank that slim volume for enlightening me to my own true motives.
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For my money and time, nothing but nothing — not even the Bible itself — beats the clear wisdom of Erich Fromm’s classic "Art of Loving"; no dewy-eyed claptrap here. With such help, I realize how far from loving I am, how hard it is to love and keep loving — of even myself. From the first few pages: "The reading of this book would be a disappointing experience for anyone who expects easy instruction in the art of loving. This book, on the contrary, wants to show that love is not a sentiment which can be easily indulged in by by anyone, regardless of the level of maturity reached by him. It wants to convince the reader that all his attempts for love are bound to fail, unless he tries most actively to develop his total personality, so as to achieve a productive orientation; that satisfaction in individual love cannot be attained without the capacity to love one’s neighbor, without true humility, courage, faith, and discipline…. "Is love an art? Then it requires knowledge and effort. Or is love a pleasant sensation, which to experience is a matter of chance, something one "falls into" if one is lucky? This little book is based on the former premise, while undoubtedly the majority of people today believe in the latter. "Not that people think that love is not important. They are starved for it; they watch endless numbers of films about happy and unhappy love stories, they listen to hundreds of trashy songs about love — yet hardly anyone thinks that there is anything that needs to be learned about love. "This peculiar attitude is basd on several premises which either singly or combined tend to uphold it. Most people see the problem of love primarily as that of *being loved*, rather than that of *loving*, of one’s capacity to love. Hence the problem to them is how to be loved, how to be lovable. In pursuit of this aim they follow several paths. One, which is especially used by men, is to be successful, to be as powerful and rich as the social margin of one’s position permits. Another, used especially by women, is to make oneself attractive, by cultivating one’s body, dress, etc. Other ways of making oneself attractive, used by both men and women, are to develop pleasant manners, interesting conversation, to be helpful, modest, inoffensive. Many of the ways to make oneself lovable are the same as those used to make onself successful, "to win friends and influence people". As a matter of fact, what most people in our culture mean by being lovable is essentially a mixture between being popular and having sex appeal. "A second premise behind the attitude that there is nothing to be learned about love is the assumption that the problem of love is the problem of an *object*, not the problem of a *faculty*. People think that to *love* is simple, but that to find the right object to love — or to be loved by — is difficult…. "The third error leading to the assumption that there is nothing to be learned about love lies in the confusion between the initial experience of "*falling*" in love, and the permanent state of *being* in love, or as we might better say, of "standing" in love. If two people who have been strangers, as all of us are, suddenly let the wall between them break down, and feel close, feel one, this moment of oneness is one of the most exhilarating, most exciting experiences in life. It is all the more wonderful and miraculous for persons who have been shut off, isolated, without love. This miracle of sudden intimacy is often facilitated if it is combined with, or initiated by, sexual attraction and consummation. However, this type of love is by its very nature not lasting. The two persons become well acquainted, their intimacy loses more and more its miraculous character, until their antagonism, their disappointments, their mutual boredom kill whatever is left of the initial excitement. Yet, in the beginning they do not know all this: in fact, they take the intensity of the infatuation, this being "crazy" about each other, for proof of the intensity of their love, while it may only prove the degree of their preceding loneliness. "This attitude — that nothing is easier than to love — has continued to be the prevalent idea about love in spite of the overwhelming evidence to the contrary. There is hardly any activity, any enterprise, which is started with such tremendous hopes and expectations, and yet, which fails so regularly, as love. If this were the case with any other activity, people would be eager to know the reasons for the failure, and to learn how one could do better — or they would give up the activity. Since the latter is impossible in the case of love, there seems to be only one adequate way to overcome the failure of love — to examine the reasons for this failure, and to proceed to study the meaning of love. "The first step to take is to become aware that *love is an art*, just as living is an art; if we want to learn how to love we must proceed in the same way we have to proceed if we want to learn any other art, say music, painting, carpentry, or the art of medicine or engineering. "What are the necessary steps in learning any art? "The process of learning an art can be divided conveniently into two parts: one, the mastery of the theory; the other, the mastery of the practice…. "I. Love, the Answer to the Problem of Human Existence "Any theory of love must begin with a theory of man, of human existence….
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Yes, I want to be a sprout. OTS "My name = Harvey" <kiwilove_nospample…@paradise.net.atearoa> wrote in message news:9fJbb.3108$tv1.383771@news02.tsnz.net… > You are what you are – and you are what you want to be. > Harvey > In article <bknk1t$3rh1…@ID-73971.news.uni-berlin.de>,
omega.point@ntlworld – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> .com says… > >As I said earlier, I’m going to come back as a sprout. > >OTS > >"OB" <nevilemo…@yahoo.com> wrote in message > >news:6ebc501c.0309171031.32793729@posting.google.com… > >> kiwilove_nospample…@paradise.net.atearoa (My name = Harvey) wrote in > >message <news:stR9b.1828$tv1.209032@news02.tsnz.net>… > >> > There is of course, no difference between homosexual love and > >heterosexual > >> > love – they are both of passion, spirit and heart. > >> > Those believing in reincarnation know that one’s sex does change in > >different > >> > lives – you can have a female spirit in a male physical body, and vice > >> > versa. > >> > I don’t know the spiritual view about sexual orientation – to know in > >> > detail about homosexuals and their lesson here. > >> > Harvey > >> Let’s get this straight. You believe that people have (at least) a > >> body, a mind and a "spirit" (whatever this is). Possibly other stuff, > >> like a "soul", but let’s stick to the first three. It’s well known > >> that people’s bodies can be male or female. According to a fairly > >> broad consensus, minds also display sexual dimorphism, such that one > >> can have a "female mind trapped in a male body", e.g. Now you’re > >> saying that "spirits" are also gendered? And worse still, that they > >> display "orientation", the same as minds (and arguably, bodies) do? So > >> in sum, we have an array of three gender variables each with a number > >> of possible values equalling the number of available genders (2) times > >> the number of available orientations (3? straight, gay or bi, leaving > >> out the theoretical possibility of "asexual" as an orientation). Thus > >> each person’s full gender/orientation description can have any of 216 > >> possible values, including such interesting combinations as "a lesbian > >> spirit and a homosexual male mind trapped in a straight male body", > >> not to be confused with "a male bisexual spirit and a heterosexual > >> female mind comfortably clothed in a gay male body", etc. > >> No wonder it’s so hard to find someone you can really feel comfortable > >> with. > >> > In article <90K9b.12283$4W5.107619…@news-text.cableinet.net>, > >mr_teatime007 > >> > @hotmail.com says… > >> > >I’ll be more willing to believe this when someone can explain to me why > >two > >> > >heterosexual males can’t be ‘in love’, or find love in their gaze at > >each > >> > >other – because this love is so fucking transcendant, right? > >> > >> This is from a later part of "Reaching to Heaven" by James van > >Praagh, > >> > >> A spiritual journey through life and death. > >> > >> What is this thing called love? Is it a natural instinct that we are > >born > >> > >> with? Is it a behaviour that we have to learn and become conditioned > >to > >> > >> accept? Is it a feeling captured in a lover’s gaze? Or is it, > >perhaps, > >> > >> a mysterious, out-of-reach star — something that we will have to > >strive > >> > >> lifetimes to attain? > >> > >> I personally believe that love is ‘all’. I believe that it is that > >God > >> > >> Force energy of which we are a part. This force is represented > >spiritually > >> > >> by the Light, and we are of the Light. The brighter our light, the > >> > stronger > >> > >> is our awareness of this part of our nature. We are born with this > >sense > >> > >> of our light, and are encouraged either to increase it or hide it > >from > >> > >> ourselves and from the rest of the world. Some of us lose sight of > >our > >> > >> light and spend our life searching for poor substitutes for love. > >> > >> Drugs, sex, and violence are some of love’s replacements. > >> > >> When we begin to recognise the light of love within ourselves, it > >is > >> > >> easier to it in another. When two people are "in love", they see the > >light > >> > >> in each other. The world outside does not exist for them because they > >are > >> > >> in their private world of love, and they feel the splendour and joy > >that > >> > >> love bestows. > >> > >> When you begin to live from the inner light of your soul, the > >deepest > >> > >> center of love, you truly begin to live as a spiritual being. Like > >someone > >> > >> in love, you experience a relationship with your "heart self". Each > >time > >> > >> you have a kind thought, say a kind word, or are of serving to > >someone, > >> > you > >> > >> are living the divine principle of love, and your love center > >expands. > >> > >> You start to see the world through loving eyes and feel the beauty > >and > >> > >> joy in all things. In essence, you experience heaven on earth. > >> > >> This is insightful about a lot of things – worthwhile getting out > >from the > >> > >> local library, or even buying – to keep it handy when you need to > >know > >> > >> why you’re here on this earth at all. > >> > >> (and hey, if you don’t believe in this kind of stuff – get use to it, > >> > >> because you’ll get to hear more and more about it [this kind of > >talking] > >> > >> whether in this life, or the next, etc…) The more you listen to > >it, > >> > >> the more it makes sense – instead of the crap that passes for > >’reality’ > >> > >> here – and established thinking, the ‘norm’. etc. That which is > >hogwash. > >> > >> Harvey > >— > >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > >Version: 6.0.520 / Virus Database: 318 – Release Date: 18/09/2003
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By 216, is that combinations or permutations. Cause I just think the order in which your various selves are gay straight or bi probably isn’t important. "HumungousFungusAmongUs" <omega.po…@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:bknk1t$3rh1u$1@ID-73971.news.uni-berlin.de… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> As I said earlier, I’m going to come back as a sprout. > OTS > "OB" <nevilemo…@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:6ebc501c.0309171031.32793729@posting.google.com… > > kiwilove_nospample…@paradise.net.atearoa (My name = Harvey) wrote in > message <news:stR9b.1828$tv1.209032@news02.tsnz.net>… > > > There is of course, no difference between homosexual love and > heterosexual > > > love – they are both of passion, spirit and heart. > > > Those believing in reincarnation know that one’s sex does change in > different > > > lives – you can have a female spirit in a male physical body, and vice > > > versa. > > > I don’t know the spiritual view about sexual orientation – to know in > > > detail about homosexuals and their lesson here. > > > Harvey > > Let’s get this straight. You believe that people have (at least) a > > body, a mind and a "spirit" (whatever this is). Possibly other stuff, > > like a "soul", but let’s stick to the first three. It’s well known > > that people’s bodies can be male or female. According to a fairly > > broad consensus, minds also display sexual dimorphism, such that one > > can have a "female mind trapped in a male body", e.g. Now you’re > > saying that "spirits" are also gendered? And worse still, that they > > display "orientation", the same as minds (and arguably, bodies) do? So > > in sum, we have an array of three gender variables each with a number > > of possible values equalling the number of available genders (2) times > > the number of available orientations (3? straight, gay or bi, leaving > > out the theoretical possibility of "asexual" as an orientation). Thus > > each person’s full gender/orientation description can have any of 216 > > possible values, including such interesting combinations as "a lesbian > > spirit and a homosexual male mind trapped in a straight male body", > > not to be confused with "a male bisexual spirit and a heterosexual > > female mind comfortably clothed in a gay male body", etc. > > No wonder it’s so hard to find someone you can really feel comfortable > > with. > > > In article <90K9b.12283$4W5.107619…@news-text.cableinet.net>, > mr_teatime007 > > > @hotmail.com says… > > > >I’ll be more willing to believe this when someone can explain to me why > two > > > >heterosexual males can’t be ‘in love’, or find love in their gaze at > each > > > >other – because this love is so fucking transcendant, right? > > > >> This is from a later part of "Reaching to Heaven" by James van > Praagh, > > > >> A spiritual journey through life and death. > > > >> What is this thing called love? Is it a natural instinct that we are > born > > > >> with? Is it a behaviour that we have to learn and become conditioned > to > > > >> accept? Is it a feeling captured in a lover’s gaze? Or is it, > perhaps, > > > >> a mysterious, out-of-reach star — something that we will have to > strive > > > >> lifetimes to attain? > > > >> I personally believe that love is ‘all’. I believe that it is that > God > > > >> Force energy of which we are a part. This force is represented > spiritually > > > >> by the Light, and we are of the Light. The brighter our light, the > > > stronger > > > >> is our awareness of this part of our nature. We are born with this > sense > > > >> of our light, and are encouraged either to increase it or hide it > from > > > >> ourselves and from the rest of the world. Some of us lose sight of > our > > > >> light and spend our life searching for poor substitutes for love. > > > >> Drugs, sex, and violence are some of love’s replacements. > > > >> When we begin to recognise the light of love within ourselves, it > is > > > >> easier to it in another. When two people are "in love", they see the > light > > > >> in each other. The world outside does not exist for them because they > are > > > >> in their private world of love, and they feel the splendour and joy > that > > > >> love bestows. > > > >> When you begin to live from the inner light of your soul, the > deepest > > > >> center of love, you truly begin to live as a spiritual being. Like > someone > > > >> in love, you experience a relationship with your "heart self". Each > time > > > >> you have a kind thought, say a kind word, or are of serving to > someone, > > > you > > > >> are living the divine principle of love, and your love center > expands. > > > >> You start to see the world through loving eyes and feel the beauty > and > > > >> joy in all things. In essence, you experience heaven on earth. > > > >> This is insightful about a lot of things – worthwhile getting out > from the > > > >> local library, or even buying – to keep it handy when you need to > know > > > >> why you’re here on this earth at all. > > > >> (and hey, if you don’t believe in this kind of stuff – get use to it, > > > >> because you’ll get to hear more and more about it [this kind of > talking] > > > >> whether in this life, or the next, etc…) The more you listen to > it, > > > >> the more it makes sense – instead of the crap that passes for > ‘reality’ > > > >> here – and established thinking, the ‘norm’. etc. That which is > hogwash. > > > >> Harvey > — > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.520 / Virus Database: 318 – Release Date: 18/09/2003
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If I were a sociopath like many of these snake-oil salesmen, I’d probably make a pretty good living wearing a robe, smiling enimatically a lot, blathering age-old cliches, telling ppl to think positive, feigning contact with the Great Beyond, selling books about UFO contacts, reading bird entrails, etc. "My name = Harvey" <kiwilove_nospample…@paradise.net.atearoa> wrote in message news:4cB9b.1691$tv1.192803@news02.tsnz.net… > Well we need to be kept on reminded of what is important in life. > Not money, job or success – but ultimately things not material but that > of feelings, heart, and love. Things that do go with you upon your exit here. > And making friends counts for a great deal, etc. > Harvey > In article <R0v9b.36839$n94.19445@fed1read04>,
Departm…@fKeepingItReal.gov – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> says… > >This isn’t exactly new stuff, just a retread of stuff that’s been in print > >since pen was put to paper(refer to "Hinduism"). > >"My name = Harvey" <kiwilove_nospample…@paradise.net.atearoa> wrote in > >message news:Sju9b.1571$tv1.185410@news02.tsnz.net… > >> This is from a later part of "Reaching to Heaven" by James van Praagh, > >> A spiritual journey through life and death. > >> What is this thing called love? Is it a natural instinct that we are born > >> with? Is it a behaviour that we have to learn and become conditioned to > >> accept? Is it a feeling captured in a lover’s gaze? Or is it, perhaps, > >> a mysterious, out-of-reach star — something that we will have to strive > >> lifetimes to attain? > >> I personally believe that love is ‘all’. I believe that it is that God > >> Force energy of which we are a part. This force is represented spiritually > >> by the Light, and we are of the Light. The brighter our light, the > >stronger > >> is our awareness of this part of our nature. We are born with this sense > >> of our light, and are encouraged either to increase it or hide it from > >> ourselves and from the rest of the world. Some of us lose sight of our > >> light and spend our life searching for poor substitutes for love. > >> Drugs, sex, and violence are some of love’s replacements. > >> When we begin to recognise the light of love within ourselves, it is > >> easier to it in another. When two people are "in love", they see the light > >> in each other. The world outside does not exist for them because they are > >> in their private world of love, and they feel the splendour and joy that > >> love bestows. > >> When you begin to live from the inner light of your soul, the deepest > >> center of love, you truly begin to live as a spiritual being. Like someone > >> in love, you experience a relationship with your "heart self". Each time > >> you have a kind thought, say a kind word, or are of serving to someone, > >you > >> are living the divine principle of love, and your love center expands. > >> You start to see the world through loving eyes and feel the beauty and > >> joy in all things. In essence, you experience heaven on earth. > >> This is insightful about a lot of things – worthwhile getting out from the > >> local library, or even buying – to keep it handy when you need to know > >> why you’re here on this earth at all. > >> (and hey, if you don’t believe in this kind of stuff – get use to it, > >> because you’ll get to hear more and more about it [this kind of talking] > >> whether in this life, or the next, etc…) The more you listen to it, > >> the more it makes sense – instead of the crap that passes for ‘reality’ > >> here – and established thinking, the ‘norm’. etc. That which is hogwash. > >> Harvey
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"arie" <_arie_@_enschede_._com_> wrote in message
news:bk9p97$c1q$1@news.tudelft.nl… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Mr. Teatime wrote in message … > >"My name = Harvey" <kiwilove_nospample…@paradise.net.atearoa> wrote in > >message news:stR9b.1828$tv1.209032@news02.tsnz.net… > >> There is of course, no difference between homosexual love and > heterosexual > >> love – they are both of passion, spirit and heart. > >> Those believing in reincarnation know that one’s sex does change in > >different > >> lives – you can have a female spirit in a male physical body, and vice > >> versa. > >> I don’t know the spiritual view about sexual orientation – to know in > >> detail about homosexuals and their lesson here. > >> Harvey > >I was asking why sexuality determines who one loves, if love is so > powerful, > >why is it limited by sex? > It’s not.
The ‘romantic love’ the original poster was babbling about is, and that’s what I’m talking about, the type of ‘love’ that one feels for a romantic partner.
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"Mr. Teatime" wrote – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "My name = Harvey" wrote > > There is of course, no difference between homosexual love and heterosexual > > love – they are both of passion, spirit and heart. > > Those believing in reincarnation know that one’s sex does change in > different > > lives – you can have a female spirit in a male physical body, and vice > > versa. > > I don’t know the spiritual view about sexual orientation – to know in > > detail about homosexuals and their lesson here. > > Harvey > I was asking why sexuality determines who one loves, if love is so powerful, > why is it limited by sex?
Love *is* powerful. I just don’t think it’s what we think it is. I’ll take a wild guess that the love that New Agers — or at least some areas of New Age – talk about has less to do with passion (which is exceptionally conditional) than it has to do with the spirit’s love (entirely unconditional). The spirit being that very core within all of us. That which makes us ‘one’. If I am you at my core, I must love you as such. Didn’t Jesus say something to the effect of "treat them as you would have them treat you"? Homosexuals, imo aren’t hurting anyone. That which happens here on earth is not real. They are just experiencing life a little differently. Hell, maybe they’re homosexuals because they treated a homosexual badly in their previous life and now they need to know how it feels? I don’t know… I still don’t buy into reincarnation. But I am starting to realise that time doesn’t exist and that everything is happening all at once. Something to the effect of "in the same moment we split from the being, we joined him again." Sorry that one’s particularly difficult to articulate. It seems to me at least that Harvey’s right: we will keep hearing more and more of this stuff. But as Eerie said, it has been around for ages. I just think that due to technology, ideas can circulate much faster nowadays. Otoh, once one has started on their spiritual path, one keeps meeting more and more people on their own path. Life is like that. So it does indeed feel as if more people are suddenly becoming turned on to enlightenment. – Michaela
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"My name = Harvey" <kiwilove_nospample…@paradise.net.atearoa> wrote in message news:stR9b.1828$tv1.209032@news02.tsnz.net… > There is of course, no difference between homosexual love and heterosexual > love – they are both of passion, spirit and heart. > Those believing in reincarnation know that one’s sex does change in different > lives – you can have a female spirit in a male physical body, and vice > versa. > I don’t know the spiritual view about sexual orientation – to know in > detail about homosexuals and their lesson here. > Harvey
I was asking why sexuality determines who one loves, if love is so powerful, why is it limited by sex?
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Mr. Teatime wrote in message … >"My name = Harvey" <kiwilove_nospample…@paradise.net.atearoa> wrote in >message news:stR9b.1828$tv1.209032@news02.tsnz.net… >> There is of course, no difference between homosexual love and heterosexual >> love – they are both of passion, spirit and heart. >> Those believing in reincarnation know that one’s sex does change in >different >> lives – you can have a female spirit in a male physical body, and vice >> versa. >> I don’t know the spiritual view about sexual orientation – to know in >> detail about homosexuals and their lesson here. >> Harvey >I was asking why sexuality determines who one loves, if love is so powerful, >why is it limited by sex?
It’s not.
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kiwilove_nospample…@paradise.net.atearoa (My name = Harvey) wrote in message <news:stR9b.1828$tv1.209032@news02.tsnz.net>… > There is of course, no difference between homosexual love and heterosexual > love – they are both of passion, spirit and heart. > Those believing in reincarnation know that one’s sex does change in different > lives – you can have a female spirit in a male physical body, and vice > versa. > I don’t know the spiritual view about sexual orientation – to know in > detail about homosexuals and their lesson here. > Harvey
Let’s get this straight. You believe that people have (at least) a body, a mind and a "spirit" (whatever this is). Possibly other stuff, like a "soul", but let’s stick to the first three. It’s well known that people’s bodies can be male or female. According to a fairly broad consensus, minds also display sexual dimorphism, such that one can have a "female mind trapped in a male body", e.g. Now you’re saying that "spirits" are also gendered? And worse still, that they display "orientation", the same as minds (and arguably, bodies) do? So in sum, we have an array of three gender variables each with a number of possible values equalling the number of available genders (2) times the number of available orientations (3? straight, gay or bi, leaving out the theoretical possibility of "asexual" as an orientation). Thus each person’s full gender/orientation description can have any of 216 possible values, including such interesting combinations as "a lesbian spirit and a homosexual male mind trapped in a straight male body", not to be confused with "a male bisexual spirit and a heterosexual female mind comfortably clothed in a gay male body", etc. No wonder it’s so hard to find someone you can really feel comfortable with. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> In article <90K9b.12283$4W5.107619…@news-text.cableinet.net>, mr_teatime007 > @hotmail.com says… > >I’ll be more willing to believe this when someone can explain to me why two > >heterosexual males can’t be ‘in love’, or find love in their gaze at each > >other – because this love is so fucking transcendant, right? > >> This is from a later part of "Reaching to Heaven" by James van Praagh, > >> A spiritual journey through life and death. > >> What is this thing called love? Is it a natural instinct that we are born > >> with? Is it a behaviour that we have to learn and become conditioned to > >> accept? Is it a feeling captured in a lover’s gaze? Or is it, perhaps, > >> a mysterious, out-of-reach star — something that we will have to strive > >> lifetimes to attain? > >> I personally believe that love is ‘all’. I believe that it is that God > >> Force energy of which we are a part. This force is represented spiritually > >> by the Light, and we are of the Light. The brighter our light, the > stronger > >> is our awareness of this part of our nature. We are born with this sense > >> of our light, and are encouraged either to increase it or hide it from > >> ourselves and from the rest of the world. Some of us lose sight of our > >> light and spend our life searching for poor substitutes for love. > >> Drugs, sex, and violence are some of love’s replacements. > >> When we begin to recognise the light of love within ourselves, it is > >> easier to it in another. When two people are "in love", they see the light > >> in each other. The world outside does not exist for them because they are > >> in their private world of love, and they feel the splendour and joy that > >> love bestows. > >> When you begin to live from the inner light of your soul, the deepest > >> center of love, you truly begin to live as a spiritual being. Like someone > >> in love, you experience a relationship with your "heart self". Each time > >> you have a kind thought, say a kind word, or are of serving to someone, > you > >> are living the divine principle of love, and your love center expands. > >> You start to see the world through loving eyes and feel the beauty and > >> joy in all things. In essence, you experience heaven on earth. > >> This is insightful about a lot of things – worthwhile getting out from the > >> local library, or even buying – to keep it handy when you need to know > >> why you’re here on this earth at all. > >> (and hey, if you don’t believe in this kind of stuff – get use to it, > >> because you’ll get to hear more and more about it [this kind of talking] > >> whether in this life, or the next, etc…) The more you listen to it, > >> the more it makes sense – instead of the crap that passes for ‘reality’ > >> here – and established thinking, the ‘norm’. etc. That which is hogwash. > >> Harvey
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There is of course, no difference between homosexual love and heterosexual love – they are both of passion, spirit and heart. Those believing in reincarnation know that one’s sex does change in different lives – you can have a female spirit in a male physical body, and vice versa. I don’t know the spiritual view about sexual orientation – to know in detail about homosexuals and their lesson here. Harvey In article <90K9b.12283$4W5.107619…@news-text.cableinet.net>, mr_teatime007 @hotmail.com says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I’ll be more willing to believe this when someone can explain to me why two >heterosexual males can’t be ‘in love’, or find love in their gaze at each >other – because this love is so fucking transcendant, right? >> This is from a later part of "Reaching to Heaven" by James van Praagh, >> A spiritual journey through life and death. >> What is this thing called love? Is it a natural instinct that we are born >> with? Is it a behaviour that we have to learn and become conditioned to >> accept? Is it a feeling captured in a lover’s gaze? Or is it, perhaps, >> a mysterious, out-of-reach star — something that we will have to strive >> lifetimes to attain? >> I personally believe that love is ‘all’. I believe that it is that God >> Force energy of which we are a part. This force is represented spiritually >> by the Light, and we are of the Light. The brighter our light, the >stronger >> is our awareness of this part of our nature. We are born with this sense >> of our light, and are encouraged either to increase it or hide it from >> ourselves and from the rest of the world. Some of us lose sight of our >> light and spend our life searching for poor substitutes for love. >> Drugs, sex, and violence are some of love’s replacements. >> When we begin to recognise the light of love within ourselves, it is >> easier to it in another. When two people are "in love", they see the light >> in each other. The world outside does not exist for them because they are >> in their private world of love, and they feel the splendour and joy that >> love bestows. >> When you begin to live from the inner light of your soul, the deepest >> center of love, you truly begin to live as a spiritual being. Like someone >> in love, you experience a relationship with your "heart self". Each time >> you have a kind thought, say a kind word, or are of serving to someone, >you >> are living the divine principle of love, and your love center expands. >> You start to see the world through loving eyes and feel the beauty and >> joy in all things. In essence, you experience heaven on earth. >> This is insightful about a lot of things – worthwhile getting out from the >> local library, or even buying – to keep it handy when you need to know >> why you’re here on this earth at all. >> (and hey, if you don’t believe in this kind of stuff – get use to it, >> because you’ll get to hear more and more about it [this kind of talking] >> whether in this life, or the next, etc…) The more you listen to it, >> the more it makes sense – instead of the crap that passes for ‘reality’ >> here – and established thinking, the ‘norm’. etc. That which is hogwash. >> Harvey
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I’ll be more willing to believe this when someone can explain to me why two heterosexual males can’t be ‘in love’, or find love in their gaze at each other – because this love is so fucking transcendant, right? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> This is from a later part of "Reaching to Heaven" by James van Praagh, > A spiritual journey through life and death. > What is this thing called love? Is it a natural instinct that we are born > with? Is it a behaviour that we have to learn and become conditioned to > accept? Is it a feeling captured in a lover’s gaze? Or is it, perhaps, > a mysterious, out-of-reach star — something that we will have to strive > lifetimes to attain? > I personally believe that love is ‘all’. I believe that it is that God > Force energy of which we are a part. This force is represented spiritually > by the Light, and we are of the Light. The brighter our light, the stronger > is our awareness of this part of our nature. We are born with this sense > of our light, and are encouraged either to increase it or hide it from > ourselves and from the rest of the world. Some of us lose sight of our > light and spend our life searching for poor substitutes for love. > Drugs, sex, and violence are some of love’s replacements. > When we begin to recognise the light of love within ourselves, it is > easier to it in another. When two people are "in love", they see the light > in each other. The world outside does not exist for them because they are > in their private world of love, and they feel the splendour and joy that > love bestows. > When you begin to live from the inner light of your soul, the deepest > center of love, you truly begin to live as a spiritual being. Like someone > in love, you experience a relationship with your "heart self". Each time > you have a kind thought, say a kind word, or are of serving to someone, you > are living the divine principle of love, and your love center expands. > You start to see the world through loving eyes and feel the beauty and > joy in all things. In essence, you experience heaven on earth. > This is insightful about a lot of things – worthwhile getting out from the > local library, or even buying – to keep it handy when you need to know > why you’re here on this earth at all. > (and hey, if you don’t believe in this kind of stuff – get use to it, > because you’ll get to hear more and more about it [this kind of talking] > whether in this life, or the next, etc…) The more you listen to it, > the more it makes sense – instead of the crap that passes for ‘reality’ > here – and established thinking, the ‘norm’. etc. That which is hogwash. > Harvey
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"Eerie Rodent of Unusual Size & Typing Ability" (Departm…@fKeepingItReal.gov) writes: > If I were a sociopath like many of these snake-oil salesmen, I’d probably > make a pretty good living wearing a robe, smiling enimatically a lot, > blathering age-old cliches, telling ppl to think positive, feigning contact > with the Great Beyond, selling books about UFO contacts, reading bird > entrails, etc.
You would not read any bird entrails. You’d have to "read mine" first, that is! C – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "My name = Harvey" <kiwilove_nospample…@paradise.net.atearoa> wrote in > message news:4cB9b.1691$tv1.192803@news02.tsnz.net… >> Well we need to be kept on reminded of what is important in life. >> Not money, job or success – but ultimately things not material but that >> of feelings, heart, and love. Things that do go with you upon your exit > here. >> And making friends counts for a great deal, etc. >> Harvey >> In article <R0v9b.36839$n94.19445@fed1read04>, > Departm…@fKeepingItReal.gov >> says… >> >This isn’t exactly new stuff, just a retread of stuff that’s been in > print >> >since pen was put to paper(refer to "Hinduism"). >> >"My name = Harvey" <kiwilove_nospample…@paradise.net.atearoa> wrote in >> >message news:Sju9b.1571$tv1.185410@news02.tsnz.net… >> >> This is from a later part of "Reaching to Heaven" by James van Praagh, >> >> A spiritual journey through life and death. >> >> What is this thing called love? Is it a natural instinct that we are > born >> >> with? Is it a behaviour that we have to learn and become conditioned to >> >> accept? Is it a feeling captured in a lover’s gaze? Or is it, perhaps, >> >> a mysterious, out-of-reach star — something that we will have to > strive >> >> lifetimes to attain? >> >> I personally believe that love is ‘all’. I believe that it is that > God >> >> Force energy of which we are a part. This force is represented > spiritually >> >> by the Light, and we are of the Light. The brighter our light, the >> >stronger >> >> is our awareness of this part of our nature. We are born with this > sense >> >> of our light, and are encouraged either to increase it or hide it from >> >> ourselves and from the rest of the world. Some of us lose sight of our >> >> light and spend our life searching for poor substitutes for love. >> >> Drugs, sex, and violence are some of love’s replacements. >> >> When we begin to recognise the light of love within ourselves, it is >> >> easier to it in another. When two people are "in love", they see the > light >> >> in each other. The world outside does not exist for them because they > are >> >> in their private world of love, and they feel the splendour and joy > that >> >> love bestows. >> >> When you begin to live from the inner light of your soul, the > deepest >> >> center of love, you truly begin to live as a spiritual being. Like > someone >> >> in love, you experience a relationship with your "heart self". Each > time >> >> you have a kind thought, say a kind word, or are of serving to someone, >> >you >> >> are living the divine principle of love, and your love center expands. >> >> You start to see the world through loving eyes and feel the beauty and >> >> joy in all things. In essence, you experience heaven on earth. >> >> This is insightful about a lot of things – worthwhile getting out from > the >> >> local library, or even buying – to keep it handy when you need to know >> >> why you’re here on this earth at all. >> >> (and hey, if you don’t believe in this kind of stuff – get use to it, >> >> because you’ll get to hear more and more about it [this kind of > talking] >> >> whether in this life, or the next, etc…) The more you listen to it, >> >> the more it makes sense – instead of the crap that passes for > ‘reality’ >> >> here – and established thinking, the ‘norm’. etc. That which is > hogwash. >> >> Harvey
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news:bk85dl$1u7$1@freenet9.carleton.ca… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Eerie Rodent of Unusual Size & Typing Ability" (Departm…@fKeepingItReal.gov) writes: > > If I were a sociopath like many of these snake-oil salesmen, I’d probably > > make a pretty good living wearing a robe, smiling enimatically a lot, > > blathering age-old cliches, telling ppl to think positive, feigning contact > > with the Great Beyond, selling books about UFO contacts, reading bird > > entrails, etc. > You would not read any bird entrails. > You’d have to "read mine" first, that is! > C > > "My name = Harvey" <kiwilove_nospample…@paradise.net.atearoa> wrote in > > message news:4cB9b.1691$tv1.192803@news02.tsnz.net… > >> Well we need to be kept on reminded of what is important in life. > >> Not money, job or success – but ultimately things not material but that > >> of feelings, heart, and love. Things that do go with you upon your exit > > here. > >> And making friends counts for a great deal, etc. > >> Harvey > >> In article <R0v9b.36839$n94.19445@fed1read04>, > > Departm…@fKeepingItReal.gov > >> says… > >> >This isn’t exactly new stuff, just a retread of stuff that’s been in > > print > >> >since pen was put to paper(refer to "Hinduism"). > >> >"My name = Harvey" <kiwilove_nospample…@paradise.net.atearoa> wrote in > >> >message news:Sju9b.1571$tv1.185410@news02.tsnz.net… > >> >> This is from a later part of "Reaching to Heaven" by James van Praagh, > >> >> A spiritual journey through life and death. > >> >> What is this thing called love? Is it a natural instinct that we are > > born > >> >> with? Is it a behaviour that we have to learn and become conditioned to > >> >> accept? Is it a feeling captured in a lover’s gaze? Or is it, perhaps, > >> >> a mysterious, out-of-reach star — something that we will have to > > strive > >> >> lifetimes to attain? > >> >> I personally believe that love is ‘all’. I believe that it is that > > God > >> >> Force energy of which we are a part. This force is represented > > spiritually > >> >> by the Light, and we are of the Light. The brighter our light, the > >> >stronger > >> >> is our awareness of this part of our nature. We are born with this > > sense > >> >> of our light, and are encouraged either to increase it or hide it from > >> >> ourselves and from the rest of the world. Some of us lose sight of our > >> >> light and spend our life searching for poor substitutes for love. > >> >> Drugs, sex, and violence are some of love’s replacements. > >> >> When we begin to recognise the light of love within ourselves, it is > >> >> easier to it in another. When two people are "in love", they see the > > light > >> >> in each other. The world outside does not exist for them because they > > are > >> >> in their private world of love, and they feel the splendour and joy > > that > >> >> love bestows. > >> >> When you begin to live from the inner light of your soul, the > > deepest > >> >> center of love, you truly begin to live as a spiritual being. Like > > someone > >> >> in love, you experience a relationship with your "heart self". Each > > time > >> >> you have a kind thought, say a kind word, or are of serving to someone, > >> >you > >> >> are living the divine principle of love, and your love center expands. > >> >> You start to see the world through loving eyes and feel the beauty and > >> >> joy in all things. In essence, you experience heaven on earth. > >> >> This is insightful about a lot of things – worthwhile getting out from > > the > >> >> local library, or even buying – to keep it handy when you need to know > >> >> why you’re here on this earth at all. > >> >> (and hey, if you don’t believe in this kind of stuff – get use to it, > >> >> because you’ll get to hear more and more about it [this kind of > > talking] > >> >> whether in this life, or the next, etc…) The more you listen to it, > >> >> the more it makes sense – instead of the crap that passes for > > ‘reality’ > >> >> here – and established thinking, the ‘norm’. etc. That which is > > hogwash. > >> >> Harvey > —
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This isn’t exactly new stuff, just a retread of stuff that’s been in print since pen was put to paper(refer to "Hinduism"). "My name = Harvey" <kiwilove_nospample…@paradise.net.atearoa> wrote in message news:Sju9b.1571$tv1.185410@news02.tsnz.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> This is from a later part of "Reaching to Heaven" by James van Praagh, > A spiritual journey through life and death. > What is this thing called love? Is it a natural instinct that we are born > with? Is it a behaviour that we have to learn and become conditioned to > accept? Is it a feeling captured in a lover’s gaze? Or is it, perhaps, > a mysterious, out-of-reach star — something that we will have to strive > lifetimes to attain? > I personally believe that love is ‘all’. I believe that it is that God > Force energy of which we are a part. This force is represented spiritually > by the Light, and we are of the Light. The brighter our light, the stronger > is our awareness of this part of our nature. We are born with this sense > of our light, and are encouraged either to increase it or hide it from > ourselves and from the rest of the world. Some of us lose sight of our > light and spend our life searching for poor substitutes for love. > Drugs, sex, and violence are some of love’s replacements. > When we begin to recognise the light of love within ourselves, it is > easier to it in another. When two people are "in love", they see the light > in each other. The world outside does not exist for them because they are > in their private world of love, and they feel the splendour and joy that > love bestows. > When you begin to live from the inner light of your soul, the deepest > center of love, you truly begin to live as a spiritual being. Like someone > in love, you experience a relationship with your "heart self". Each time > you have a kind thought, say a kind word, or are of serving to someone, you > are living the divine principle of love, and your love center expands. > You start to see the world through loving eyes and feel the beauty and > joy in all things. In essence, you experience heaven on earth. > This is insightful about a lot of things – worthwhile getting out from the > local library, or even buying – to keep it handy when you need to know > why you’re here on this earth at all. > (and hey, if you don’t believe in this kind of stuff – get use to it, > because you’ll get to hear more and more about it [this kind of talking] > whether in this life, or the next, etc…) The more you listen to it, > the more it makes sense – instead of the crap that passes for ‘reality’ > here – and established thinking, the ‘norm’. etc. That which is hogwash. > Harvey
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Well we need to be kept on reminded of what is important in life. Not money, job or success – but ultimately things not material but that of feelings, heart, and love. Things that do go with you upon your exit here. And making friends counts for a great deal, etc. Harvey In article <R0v9b.36839$n94.19445@fed1read04>, Departm…@fKeepingItReal.gov says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->This isn’t exactly new stuff, just a retread of stuff that’s been in print >since pen was put to paper(refer to "Hinduism"). >"My name = Harvey" <kiwilove_nospample…@paradise.net.atearoa> wrote in >message news:Sju9b.1571$tv1.185410@news02.tsnz.net… >> This is from a later part of "Reaching to Heaven" by James van Praagh, >> A spiritual journey through life and death. >> What is this thing called love? Is it a natural instinct that we are born >> with? Is it a behaviour that we have to learn and become conditioned to >> accept? Is it a feeling captured in a lover’s gaze? Or is it, perhaps, >> a mysterious, out-of-reach star — something that we will have to strive >> lifetimes to attain? >> I personally believe that love is ‘all’. I believe that it is that God >> Force energy of which we are a part. This force is represented spiritually >> by the Light, and we are of the Light. The brighter our light, the >stronger >> is our awareness of this part of our nature. We are born with this sense >> of our light, and are encouraged either to increase it or hide it from >> ourselves and from the rest of the world. Some of us lose sight of our >> light and spend our life searching for poor substitutes for love. >> Drugs, sex, and violence are some of love’s replacements. >> When we begin to recognise the light of love within ourselves, it is >> easier to it in another. When two people are "in love", they see the light >> in each other. The world outside does not exist for them because they are >> in their private world of love, and they feel the splendour and joy that >> love bestows. >> When you begin to live from the inner light of your soul, the deepest >> center of love, you truly begin to live as a spiritual being. Like someone >> in love, you experience a relationship with your "heart self". Each time >> you have a kind thought, say a kind word, or are of serving to someone, >you >> are living the divine principle of love, and your love center expands. >> You start to see the world through loving eyes and feel the beauty and >> joy in all things. In essence, you experience heaven on earth. >> This is insightful about a lot of things – worthwhile getting out from the >> local library, or even buying – to keep it handy when you need to know >> why you’re here on this earth at all. >> (and hey, if you don’t believe in this kind of stuff – get use to it, >> because you’ll get to hear more and more about it [this kind of talking] >> whether in this life, or the next, etc…) The more you listen to it, >> the more it makes sense – instead of the crap that passes for ‘reality’ >> here – and established thinking, the ‘norm’. etc. That which is hogwash. >> Harvey
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kiwilove_nospample…@paradise.net.atearoa (My name = Harvey) wrote in news:4cB9b.1691$tv1.192803@news02.tsnz.net: > Well we need to be kept on reminded of what is important in life. > Not money, job or success – but ultimately things not material but > that of feelings, heart, and love. Things that do go with you upon > your exit here. And making friends counts for a great deal, etc.
And how do we go about this. If we live our life hating ourself and forcing ourselve in to a form of public isolation where everyone else deserves but we do not. How can one who has never accepted themself learn to accepted the love of another, to love themself so that they can accept others love. When you look into the eyes of a young child and see that glow in their face and wonder what there is in you to promts such a reponse. How do they not see the evil in you, the coldness that comes out whenever you see your reflection, the self loathing that follows you. I must stop now before I go farther into the abbys that is my mind.. — The me you see is not the me I be
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This is from a later part of "Reaching to Heaven" by James van Praagh, A spiritual journey through life and death. What is this thing called love? Is it a natural instinct that we are born with? Is it a behaviour that we have to learn and become conditioned to accept? Is it a feeling captured in a lover’s gaze? Or is it, perhaps, a mysterious, out-of-reach star — something that we will have to strive lifetimes to attain? I personally believe that love is ‘all’. I believe that it is that God Force energy of which we are a part. This force is represented spiritually by the Light, and we are of the Light. The brighter our light, the stronger is our awareness of this part of our nature. We are born with this sense of our light, and are encouraged either to increase it or hide it from ourselves and from the rest of the world. Some of us lose sight of our light and spend our life searching for poor substitutes for love. Drugs, sex, and violence are some of love’s replacements. When we begin to recognise the light of love within ourselves, it is easier to it in another. When two people are "in love", they see the light in each other. The world outside does not exist for them because they are in their private world of love, and they feel the splendour and joy that love bestows. When you begin to live from the inner light of your soul, the deepest center of love, you truly begin to live as a spiritual being. Like someone in love, you experience a relationship with your "heart self". Each time you have a kind thought, say a kind word, or are of serving to someone, you are living the divine principle of love, and your love center expands. You start to see the world through loving eyes and feel the beauty and joy in all things. In essence, you experience heaven on earth. This is insightful about a lot of things – worthwhile getting out from the local library, or even buying – to keep it handy when you need to know why you’re here on this earth at all. (and hey, if you don’t believe in this kind of stuff – get use to it, because you’ll get to hear more and more about it [this kind of talking] whether in this life, or the next, etc…) The more you listen to it, the more it makes sense – instead of the crap that passes for ‘reality’ here – and established thinking, the ‘norm’. etc. That which is hogwash. Harvey
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"My name = Harvey" <kiwilove_nospample…@paradise.net.atearoa> wrote in message news:Sju9b.1571$tv1.185410@news02.tsnz.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> This is from a later part of "Reaching to Heaven" by James van Praagh, > A spiritual journey through life and death. > What is this thing called love? Is it a natural instinct that we are born > with? Is it a behaviour that we have to learn and become conditioned to > accept? Is it a feeling captured in a lover’s gaze? Or is it, perhaps, > a mysterious, out-of-reach star — something that we will have to strive > lifetimes to attain? > I personally believe that love is ‘all’. I believe that it is that God > Force energy of which we are a part. This force is represented spiritually > by the Light, and we are of the Light. The brighter our light, the stronger > is our awareness of this part of our nature. We are born with this sense > of our light, and are encouraged either to increase it or hide it from > ourselves and from the rest of the world. Some of us lose sight of our > light and spend our life searching for poor substitutes for love. > Drugs, sex, and violence are some of love’s replacements. > When we begin to recognise the light of love within ourselves, it is > easier to it in another. When two people are "in love", they see the light > in each other. The world outside does not exist for them because they are > in their private world of love, and they feel the splendour and joy that > love bestows. > When you begin to live from the inner light of your soul, the deepest > center of love, you truly begin to live as a spiritual being. Like someone > in love, you experience a relationship with your "heart self". Each time > you have a kind thought, say a kind word, or are of serving to someone, you > are living the divine principle of love, and your love center expands. > You start to see the world through loving eyes and feel the beauty and > joy in all things. In essence, you experience heaven on earth. > This is insightful about a lot of things – worthwhile getting out from the > local library, or even buying – to keep it handy when you need to know > why you’re here on this earth at all. > (and hey, if you don’t believe in this kind of stuff – get use to it, > because you’ll get to hear more and more about it [this kind of talking] > whether in this life, or the next, etc…) The more you listen to it, > the more it makes sense – instead of the crap that passes for ‘reality’ > here – and established thinking, the ‘norm’. etc. That which is hogwash. > Harvey > hogwash is the love in my life
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