Vengeance and loneliness.
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I read you loud and clear, Jim. Keep your messages coming. h@shi ><
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Hey there, sweet Hashi, Thank you for your kind support, and thank you, for your insight, and your caring… your voice is always so sweet, and clear… You know, sweet Hashi, the only thing wrong with you, is we don’t see you nearly often enough… but I’m always so happy when I do… warm, tender hugs, Michael Maddogg (there’s my sweet Hashi girl… hows about a bigg kiss for the ol’ dogg?…slurp!) :-]~ In article <1998060201254400.VAA29…@ladder03.news.aol.com>, hashir…@aol.com (HashiRoan) wrote:
sweet Hashi girl wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I agree with Maddogg. >I can understand how angry and resentful people like the jock can make one >feel. But actually enjoying him squirm and suffer is a pitiful thing to feel. >It really only hurts you to feel this way and it makes you a small person to >feel this way. Have compassion for someone like the jock. He learned an >important lesson–be satified with that, rather than squealing with delight at >someone’s mistake and consequences they face. >h@shi > ><
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Well said, Jim. I knew I would like you. Welcome aboard, my friend, and go ahead and take your shoes back off if you would like… I can take it… (grin) Michael Maddogg (dogg thinks he stepped in some people shit…) :-]~ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -In article <3573583B.6…@accessone.com>, Jim <ralfj…@accessone.com> wrote: >Passive wrote: >> If LadyJ really feels that what is essentially just teaching a jock a little >> humility and putting him in his place is comparable to having garbage thrown >> in your face for the amusement of others (one of my experiences) then she is >> so frighteningly out of touch with the world that she shouldn’t be here >> offering her shallow "support". >Both are examples of taking pleasure or satisfaction or amusement from >the act of inflicting pain on someone else. Of course they are >comparable. >The boy who Annubis is tormenting may or may not deserve harsh >treatment. How can we know? But he most certainly DOES NOT deserve harsh >treatment for the reasons being given. This boy had nothing to do with >the experiences that hurt Annubis or you. >Jim >> What Anubis is doing is getting a little satisfaction . . .
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>In high school, that’s NOT how you get respect. At least not these days.
who cares how things are done in high school? You? >Is Maddogg talking about HIMSELF here? I can’t be sure.
Hmmm. Integrity is what Maddogg is exuding. Maybe you can’t understand that. Maybe you think it’s falseness. Being reactive and hateful and perceiving it as "being honest" doesn’t quite deserve the credit you think it does. A little compassion, kindness and integrity is the right thing to be even if it does mean you get kicked in the process. Maddogg and LadyJ have character, compassion and integrity, but I don’t expect you to see that because you’re too concerned with your wounded pride and about the bad things that happened to you and how you’re going to get revenge. That thinking is only going to hurt you in the end. But I guess if others get hurt in the process, then success! And…this isn’t a "CULT". That is ludicrous. It’s a SUPPORT group. Get the difference? h@shi ><
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I’ve only been paying attention to newsgroups for about a week and this is my firstlook at a flame war. It’s a shame it’s in a group theoretically titled SUPPORT!. Jesus people get a clue. You wouldn’t act this way in RL, why do it here? I have directly observed that Lady3J has more then a little compassion and horse sense so any attack on her based on her "shallow" character is sheer nonsense. I don’t know anything much about the rest of the combatants, but they seemed to have picked sides awfully fast. I’m sorry, we aparently misunderstood goes a hell of a lot farther then Fuck you Asshole!. Even if y’all do disagree does it have to be violent? Y’all each have an opinion, but no more jihads, please. — visit me @ http://members.aol.com/gstratto/index.html maybe you’ll actually enjoy my sick sense of humor.
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Hey Mike, Well spoken… I seem to let my passion get away from me, and I’m really glad there are those, like you, that can maintain reason, yet still be there to stand up for your friends… Thanks, pal… See, that is what I was talking about, by gaining the respect of others, yet so many don’t seem to see. It’s not really that difficult of a concept, is it?… Michael Maddogg (hey there, Mike, how’s it hangin’?… and dont bother lying to ol’ dogg…) :-]~ In article <35734ed…@news.one.net>, "Mike Taylor" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<michaectay…@remove.juno.com> wrote: >Passive wrote in message <6kvfj4$84…@winter.news.erols.com>… >>You can’t be "morally right" and happy (not lonely). >Crap. That’s your pessimism talking. >>If LadyJ really feels that what is essentially just teaching a jock a little >>humility and putting him in his place is comparable to having garbage thrown >>in your face for the amusement of others (one of my experiences) then she is >>so frighteningly out of touch with the world that she shouldn’t be here >>offering her shallow "support". >I’ll have you know that LadyJ has not only proven insightful in her >responses/support to others, but she’s helped changed the initially negative, >caustic attitudes of innumerable amounts of people on this NG. What have you >done? >>The world hurt us. Some of us never forget being hurt. We all learn from >>that kind of stuff. One thing I learned from trying to get closer is that >>those who hurt me simply didn’t care about what they had done–neither did my >>peers. That’s what the world is like. I’m "detached" from the world because >>I can’t relate to the people I share it with. If I adopted their philosophy, >>if I didn’t care who I hurt, then maybe I would be able to deal with people >>better. Understand them. >>Get it? >Oh, I get it, but if that is your reasoning and your solution to your problem >and that of other loners out there, then it is you who is incredibly shallow. >Mike
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In article <6kvkc3$fm…@chile.it.earthlink.net>, maddo…@earthlink.net (Maddogg) wrote:
This was sent to Anubis, but I’ll respond anyway. > anubis > If you think you’re going to give ten-fold of what you get, I suggest you > look around… Does the name Custer mean anything to you? > You don’t get respect, you earn it… the old fashioned way, by being kind, > and compassionate, and respectful of others…
In high school, that’s NOT how you get respect. At least not these days. > not by letting your warped > sense of self, your twisted views, and your distorted self-righteousness,
Is Maddogg talking about HIMSELF here? I can’t be sure. > alienate all those that would support you…. And I’ll tell you true, if you > would have come here in sincerity, instead of spouting your ludicrous > philosophy, insisting it is gospel, LadyJ would have been the first one > there, to give you comfort, soothing, and compassion.
To ANUBIS: I’m curious, have you ALWAYS posted these kinds of destructive, hurtful messages? You know, the ones that the folks of ASL are accusing you of posting? somehow, I bet that you’ve made some rather constructive posts here in the past, it’s just more convenient for these people to ignore them, now. > And there would > have been many more, right behind her, to give you what we each have > to give.
Yes, and instead, she’s turned her back on me and Anubis, and I suspect EVERYONE who has ever been less than the "I love everyone in the whole world" persona that SHE attempts to project. Accordingly, all of you have turned your backs on us. Refusing to even TRY to listen to reason. This isn’t a support group … it’s a CULT. > But, instead you chose this path…. > Here’s fifty cents… buy two clues….
Mr. Sensitive strikes again! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Maddogg >In article <35735001.F0EE1…@bucknell.edu>, Anubis <cmo…@bucknell.edu> >wrote: >>Right on dude! >>> Of course, maybe Anubis just gets a little sadistic glee from telling the >>> douchebag jock to settle down and start studying instead of flexing his >>> pecs–and all of the analysis of his actions that I babbled about are > totally >>> off the mark. >>"Sadistic glee" is a little strong. The situation there went like this: >>This jock-guy (let’s call him A-hole) was a senior in danger of not graduating >> due >>to piss-poor academic performance. Some people still think that college is for >>partying first, getting laid second (although not really a factor in my case), >> and >>academia a distant third. He dug himself into a hole all by himself, and > whined >>like a buzzsaw when things didn’t go his way. >>Then, A-hole went to the dean and lodged a formal complaint against me, citing >>’lackluster effort to instruct’, or some damn thing. Now the course was >>’computational fluid dynamics’, and just from the title, you know this ain’t > no >>’rox for jox 101′. Everyone else in the class had no complaints against my >>teaching style. (They did say I was a bit harsh in the grading department, but >> ya >>gotta be tough if you want ppl to learn) >>It was comical to watch this big, puffed-up nimrod nearly on the brink of >> tears. >>He blamed me for his own sloth and laziness. He insulted me incessantly using >>tactics I thought only existed in high schools anymore. In the end, A-hole had >> to >>take summer school, and didn’t get to walk the aisle. While it would be >> ethically >>skewed to actively cause the downfall of another, I sit back and enjoy the >> show. >>So for this, I get a truckload of shite thrown my way by lj3? Will wonders >> never >>cease… >>I f I get respect, I return it. If I get grief, I give it tenfold, and in >>spades… >>And that’s the bottom line, cuz Anubis sed so!
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>Maybe we have two people in this ng who are ‘passive.’<BR> ><BR> >Ignoring us is the easy way out, LadyJ. I and people like myself are here in >this<BR> >world. When I haven’t been smacked down, I’ve been shunned. I’m acustomed to >this type<BR> >of treatment. I assure you, It won’t change me.<BR>
%%%%%%%%% I believe that the best thing to do is just totally ignore this man, not answer any posts and he will go away……. it is a more peaceful place without him…..
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In article <6kvi71$c9…@chile.it.earthlink.net>, maddo…@earthlink.net (Maddogg) wrote: > Passive, > I can tell you are new here, if you can possibly have the lack of insight, > or ignorance of fact, to call LadyJ, out of touch, or her support, shallow.
From what I saw, she was not being supportive. She was attacking–what I perceived to be–someone’s way of coping with what had happened to them in the past. That was really the jist of my message. > You will not find a more sincere, caring, compassionate person, than > LadyJ, if you were to take your head out of your own ass, and search. > She has been here to comfort, soothe, advise, counsel, and care for, > those that have been wounded by life, that have come here in sincerity, > seeking that compassion…. not to spew their garbage, and then insist > it is roses…
When did Anubis (or myself) say he wasn’t seeking counsel or whatever else? When did we come here solely for the purpose of spewing garbage? READ OUR MESSAGES instead of letting what blind loyalty you have to LadyJ lead you around? Anubis didn’t come in here and say "LadyJ, you’re a slut" right off the bat. He responded to her completely tearing apart what he does in his life. > And what is that, the Golden Rule in reverse? Someone hurt me, so > now I’m going to hurt someone too? And then you have the audacity > to say there is nothing wrong with that. That is the same justification > that child abusers use…. "I was abused as a child, so it’s okay for me > to abuse a child." Jesus, wake up… > Overcoming the urge to hurt, because one has been hurt, is a hard > thing to do, I’m sure, but to allow oneself to justify doing harm to > others, because they were harmed, is a basic lack of character.
Can people learn? As I said, when I approached the peopl that hurt me, they siply didn’t care what they had done. I doubt they learned anything, I doubt they grew up. Maybe by just distributing hurt around the world, people might become a little more aware of how they SHOUDLN’T do it. I think those guys they hurt me could have deserved a lesson in humility. Or, do you feel that the meek ought to just allow themselves to be abused and hope that someday the people around them will just magically get smarter? > And to support someone that behaves that way, and to offer them > validation for their actions, also shows a lack of character….
Completely failing to even ATTEMPT to understand my point of view also shows a lack of character. > Btw, what a comment on your state of mind, is that wonderfully > twisted sense of perceptions, that is your sig. line… and isn’t it > interesting, that you somehow equate vengeance and loneliness, > and somehow don’t see, that perhaps the loneliness, is a result > of the need to seek vengeance on others, for things that were > done to you in the past?… Here’s a quarter… buy a clue…
My my, we certainly have someone that lacks sensitivity. Vengeance and loneliness were equated because of my own personal experiences. That is, vengance, maybe, brings closer to those awful, nagging experiences of my past. Without settling things, I have trouble moving on with my life, which keeps me lonely. > I hope you seek, and find help, for your damaged emotions, and > warped perceptions of right and wrong… before it is too late.
Well, at least you didn’t pray for me. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Michael > Maddogg >In article <6kvfj4$84…@winter.news.erols.com>, ih…@aol.com (Passive) >wrote: >>WOW! There was quite a little argument sparked between LadyJ and Anubis >>because of the "Are they better than us?" post I made. Well, here’s my take >>on the issue–if any of you care: >>You can’t be "morally right" and happy (not lonely). LadyJ felt that by >>dishing out a little of the treatment that Anubis had received when he was >>younger, he was making the world a more horrible place. Now, to begin, I >>think that LadyJ is being terribly harsh in her assessment of what Anubis is >>doing. >>Anubis stated that: >>"You don’t know how satisfying it is to tell the puffed-up, so-full-of-himself >>jock douchebag that he is failing the class and might not graduate unless and >>until he takes his head out of his ass." >>If LadyJ really feels that what is essentially just teaching a jock a little >>humility and putting him in his place is comparable to having garbage thrown >>in your face for the amusement of others (one of my experiences) then she is >>so frighteningly out of touch with the world that she shouldn’t be here >>offering her shallow "support". >>What Anubis is doing is getting a little satisfaction from telling someone, >>smugly, to put in a little hustle and quit goofing off. I, and I suspect >>Anubis, were probably rather thoroughly traumatized. >>Now, for me at least, a lot of my "detachment" from the world is due to the >>fact that I never experienced closer. Nobody ever said I’m sorry (at least, >>they never meant it–I’ve meant it on the rare occasions on which I’ve had to >>say it). But I think that many people can agree that, unless they feel some >>sort of "end" to whatever they’ve had to deal with in their past, it’s really >>quite difficult to move on with the future. People can achieve satisfaction >>in various ways. I attempted to confront my past tormentors–of course we are >>still teenagers and so my results were pathetic; some of them flat out denied >>what they did or just shrugged it off. Anubis, however, is possibly dealing >>with it by giving what he got (do unto others…) and to a much lower degree >>at that. Is that so bad? >>No. >>The world hurt us. Some of us never forget being hurt. We all learn from >>that kind of stuff. One thing I learned from trying to get closer is that >>those who hurt me simply didn’t care about what they had done–neither did my >>peers. That’s what the world is like. I’m "detached" from the world because >>I can’t relate to the people I share it with. If I adopted their philosophy, >>if I didn’t care who I hurt, then maybe I would be able to deal with people >>better. Understand them. >>Get it? We learn different things in different ways, how we apply them is hoe >>we deal with what our problems are. A lonely person is lonely because they >>ave difficulty dealing with other people. They have to apply what they’ve >>learned through life–to hurt others, perhaps–to deal with whatever their >>deficiencies are that keep them lonely. I think that’s what I wanted to say, >>at least. Things are always clearer to me (in my mind) than they are on the >>screen. >>Of course, maybe Anubis just gets a little sadistic glee from telling the >>douchebag jock to settle down and start studying instead of flexing his >>pecs–and all of the analysis of his actions that I babbled about are totally >>off the mark. >>Passive, passion, passionate hatred, passively hating passionately.
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LadyJ3 wrote: > But, don’t bother telling me. I will no longer hear your words. J
Maybe we have two people in this ng who are ‘passive.’ Ignoring us is the easy way out, LadyJ. I and people like myself are here in this world. When I haven’t been smacked down, I’ve been shunned. I’m acustomed to this type of treatment. I assure you, It won’t change me.
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I agree with Maddogg. I can understand how angry and resentful people like the jock can make one feel. But actually enjoying him squirm and suffer is a pitiful thing to feel. It really only hurts you to feel this way and it makes you a small person to feel this way. Have compassion for someone like the jock. He learned an important lesson–be satified with that, rather than squealing with delight at someone’s mistake and consequences they face. h@shi ><
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anubis If you think you’re going to give ten-fold of what you get, I suggest you look around… Does the name Custer mean anything to you? You don’t get respect, you earn it… the old fashioned way, by being kind, and compassionate, and respectful of others… not by letting your warped sense of self, your twisted views, and your distorted self-righteousness, alienate all those that would support you…. And I’ll tell you true, if you would have come here in sincerity, instead of spouting your ludicrous philosophy, insisting it is gospel, LadyJ would have been the first one there, to give you comfort, soothing, and compassion. And there would have been many more, right behind her, to give you what we each have to give. But, instead you chose this path…. Here’s fifty cents… buy two clues…. Maddogg In article <35735001.F0EE1…@bucknell.edu>, Anubis <cmo…@bucknell.edu> wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Right on dude! >> Of course, maybe Anubis just gets a little sadistic glee from telling the >> douchebag jock to settle down and start studying instead of flexing his >> pecs–and all of the analysis of his actions that I babbled about are totally >> off the mark. >"Sadistic glee" is a little strong. The situation there went like this: >This jock-guy (let’s call him A-hole) was a senior in danger of not graduating > due >to piss-poor academic performance. Some people still think that college is for >partying first, getting laid second (although not really a factor in my case), > and >academia a distant third. He dug himself into a hole all by himself, and whined >like a buzzsaw when things didn’t go his way. >Then, A-hole went to the dean and lodged a formal complaint against me, citing >’lackluster effort to instruct’, or some damn thing. Now the course was >’computational fluid dynamics’, and just from the title, you know this ain’t no >’rox for jox 101′. Everyone else in the class had no complaints against my >teaching style. (They did say I was a bit harsh in the grading department, but > ya >gotta be tough if you want ppl to learn) >It was comical to watch this big, puffed-up nimrod nearly on the brink of > tears. >He blamed me for his own sloth and laziness. He insulted me incessantly using >tactics I thought only existed in high schools anymore. In the end, A-hole had > to >take summer school, and didn’t get to walk the aisle. While it would be > ethically >skewed to actively cause the downfall of another, I sit back and enjoy the > show. >So for this, I get a truckload of shite thrown my way by lj3? Will wonders > never >cease… >I f I get respect, I return it. If I get grief, I give it tenfold, and in >spades… >And that’s the bottom line, cuz Anubis sed so!
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Mike, I like your attitude! You go, guy! h@shi ><
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Right on dude! > Of course, maybe Anubis just gets a little sadistic glee from telling the > douchebag jock to settle down and start studying instead of flexing his > pecs–and all of the analysis of his actions that I babbled about are totally > off the mark.
"Sadistic glee" is a little strong. The situation there went like this: This jock-guy (let’s call him A-hole) was a senior in danger of not graduating due to piss-poor academic performance. Some people still think that college is for partying first, getting laid second (although not really a factor in my case), and academia a distant third. He dug himself into a hole all by himself, and whined like a buzzsaw when things didn’t go his way. Then, A-hole went to the dean and lodged a formal complaint against me, citing ‘lackluster effort to instruct’, or some damn thing. Now the course was ‘computational fluid dynamics’, and just from the title, you know this ain’t no ‘rox for jox 101′. Everyone else in the class had no complaints against my teaching style. (They did say I was a bit harsh in the grading department, but ya gotta be tough if you want ppl to learn) It was comical to watch this big, puffed-up nimrod nearly on the brink of tears. He blamed me for his own sloth and laziness. He insulted me incessantly using tactics I thought only existed in high schools anymore. In the end, A-hole had to take summer school, and didn’t get to walk the aisle. While it would be ethically skewed to actively cause the downfall of another, I sit back and enjoy the show. So for this, I get a truckload of shite thrown my way by lj3? Will wonders never cease… I f I get respect, I return it. If I get grief, I give it tenfold, and in spades… And that’s the bottom line, cuz Anubis sed so!
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Passive, I can tell you are new here, if you can possibly have the lack of insight, or ignorance of fact, to call LadyJ, out of touch, or her support, shallow. You will not find a more sincere, caring, compassionate person, than LadyJ, if you were to take your head out of your own ass, and search. She has been here to comfort, soothe, advise, counsel, and care for, those that have been wounded by life, that have come here in sincerity, seeking that compassion…. not to spew their garbage, and then insist it is roses… And what is that, the Golden Rule in reverse? Someone hurt me, so now I’m going to hurt someone too? And then you have the audacity to say there is nothing wrong with that. That is the same justification that child abusers use…. "I was abused as a child, so it’s okay for me to abuse a child." Jesus, wake up… Overcoming the urge to hurt, because one has been hurt, is a hard thing to do, I’m sure, but to allow oneself to justify doing harm to others, because they were harmed, is a basic lack of character. And to support someone that behaves that way, and to offer them validation for their actions, also shows a lack of character…. Btw, what a comment on your state of mind, is that wonderfully twisted sense of perceptions, that is your sig. line… and isn’t it interesting, that you somehow equate vengeance and loneliness, and somehow don’t see, that perhaps the loneliness, is a result of the need to seek vengeance on others, for things that were done to you in the past?… Here’s a quarter… buy a clue… I hope you seek, and find help, for your damaged emotions, and warped perceptions of right and wrong… before it is too late. Michael Maddogg In article <6kvfj4$84…@winter.news.erols.com>, ih…@aol.com (Passive) wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->WOW! There was quite a little argument sparked between LadyJ and Anubis >because of the "Are they better than us?" post I made. Well, here’s my take >on the issue–if any of you care: >You can’t be "morally right" and happy (not lonely). LadyJ felt that by >dishing out a little of the treatment that Anubis had received when he was >younger, he was making the world a more horrible place. Now, to begin, I >think that LadyJ is being terribly harsh in her assessment of what Anubis is >doing. >Anubis stated that: >"You don’t know how satisfying it is to tell the puffed-up, so-full-of-himself >jock douchebag that he is failing the class and might not graduate unless and >until he takes his head out of his ass." >If LadyJ really feels that what is essentially just teaching a jock a little >humility and putting him in his place is comparable to having garbage thrown >in your face for the amusement of others (one of my experiences) then she is >so frighteningly out of touch with the world that she shouldn’t be here >offering her shallow "support". >What Anubis is doing is getting a little satisfaction from telling someone, >smugly, to put in a little hustle and quit goofing off. I, and I suspect >Anubis, were probably rather thoroughly traumatized. >Now, for me at least, a lot of my "detachment" from the world is due to the >fact that I never experienced closer. Nobody ever said I’m sorry (at least, >they never meant it–I’ve meant it on the rare occasions on which I’ve had to >say it). But I think that many people can agree that, unless they feel some >sort of "end" to whatever they’ve had to deal with in their past, it’s really >quite difficult to move on with the future. People can achieve satisfaction >in various ways. I attempted to confront my past tormentors–of course we are >still teenagers and so my results were pathetic; some of them flat out denied >what they did or just shrugged it off. Anubis, however, is possibly dealing >with it by giving what he got (do unto others…) and to a much lower degree >at that. Is that so bad? >No. >The world hurt us. Some of us never forget being hurt. We all learn from >that kind of stuff. One thing I learned from trying to get closer is that >those who hurt me simply didn’t care about what they had done–neither did my >peers. That’s what the world is like. I’m "detached" from the world because >I can’t relate to the people I share it with. If I adopted their philosophy, >if I didn’t care who I hurt, then maybe I would be able to deal with people >better. Understand them. >Get it? We learn different things in different ways, how we apply them is hoe >we deal with what our problems are. A lonely person is lonely because they >ave difficulty dealing with other people. They have to apply what they’ve >learned through life–to hurt others, perhaps–to deal with whatever their >deficiencies are that keep them lonely. I think that’s what I wanted to say, >at least. Things are always clearer to me (in my mind) than they are on the >screen. >Of course, maybe Anubis just gets a little sadistic glee from telling the >douchebag jock to settle down and start studying instead of flexing his >pecs–and all of the analysis of his actions that I babbled about are totally >off the mark. >Passive, passion, passionate hatred, passively hating passionately.
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Passive wrote: > If LadyJ really feels that what is essentially just teaching a jock a little > humility and putting him in his place is comparable to having garbage thrown > in your face for the amusement of others (one of my experiences) then she is > so frighteningly out of touch with the world that she shouldn’t be here > offering her shallow "support".
Both are examples of taking pleasure or satisfaction or amusement from the act of inflicting pain on someone else. Of course they are comparable. The boy who Annubis is tormenting may or may not deserve harsh treatment. How can we know? But he most certainly DOES NOT deserve harsh treatment for the reasons being given. This boy had nothing to do with the experiences that hurt Annubis or you. Jim – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> What Anubis is doing is getting a little satisfaction . . .
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Passive wrote in message <6kvfj4$84…@winter.news.erols.com>… >You can’t be "morally right" and happy (not lonely).
Crap. That’s your pessimism talking. >If LadyJ really feels that what is essentially just teaching a jock a little >humility and putting him in his place is comparable to having garbage thrown >in your face for the amusement of others (one of my experiences) then she is >so frighteningly out of touch with the world that she shouldn’t be here >offering her shallow "support".
I’ll have you know that LadyJ has not only proven insightful in her responses/support to others, but she’s helped changed the initially negative, caustic attitudes of innumerable amounts of people on this NG. What have you done? >The world hurt us. Some of us never forget being hurt. We all learn from >that kind of stuff. One thing I learned from trying to get closer is that >those who hurt me simply didn’t care about what they had done–neither did my >peers. That’s what the world is like. I’m "detached" from the world because >I can’t relate to the people I share it with. If I adopted their philosophy, >if I didn’t care who I hurt, then maybe I would be able to deal with people >better. Understand them. >Get it?
Oh, I get it, but if that is your reasoning and your solution to your problem and that of other loners out there, then it is you who is incredibly shallow. Mike
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You know, I didn’t finish reading all of your post. If people were happy with their lives and the way they are living them, they wouldn’t be coming here for support. Did you come here for support? Did the others like you come here to try to learn how to make life better and happier for themselves? Or did you come here to spout your philosophy and attack and start trouble? All that are here to learn and to try, I am willing to help. Those, like you, who are here for reasons I can not determine and am truly not interested in are not worth the time and effort it takes me to type this to you. I do not care to cross swords with you and those like you. I wonder what it is about caring about people and not hurting people and helping people that you find so horrible that you must come here and attack and belittle. But, don’t bother telling me. I will no longer hear your words. J – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Passive wrote: > WOW! There was quite a little argument sparked between LadyJ and Anubis > because of the "Are they better than us?" post I made. Well, here’s my take > on the issue–if any of you care: > You can’t be "morally right" and happy (not lonely). LadyJ felt that by > dishing out a little of the treatment that Anubis had received when he was > younger, he was making the world a more horrible place. Now, to begin, I > think that LadyJ is being terribly harsh in her assessment of what Anubis is > doing. > Anubis stated that: > "You don’t know how satisfying it is to tell the puffed-up, so-full-of-himself > jock douchebag that he is failing the class and might not graduate unless and > until he takes his head out of his ass." > If LadyJ really feels that what is essentially just teaching a jock a little > humility and putting him in his place is comparable to having garbage thrown > in your face for the amusement of others (one of my experiences) then she is > so frighteningly out of touch with the world that she shouldn’t be here > offering her shallow "support". > What Anubis is doing is getting a little satisfaction from telling someone, > smugly, to put in a little hustle and quit goofing off. I, and I suspect > Anubis, were probably rather thoroughly traumatized. > Now, for me at least, a lot of my "detachment" from the world is due to the > fact that I never experienced closer. Nobody ever said I’m sorry (at least, > they never meant it–I’ve meant it on the rare occasions on which I’ve had to > say it). But I think that many people can agree that, unless they feel some > sort of "end" to whatever they’ve had to deal with in their past, it’s really > quite difficult to move on with the future. People can achieve satisfaction > in various ways. I attempted to confront my past tormentors–of course we are > still teenagers and so my results were pathetic; some of them flat out denied > what they did or just shrugged it off. Anubis, however, is possibly dealing > with it by giving what he got (do unto others…) and to a much lower degree > at that. Is that so bad? > No. > The world hurt us. Some of us never forget being hurt. We all learn from > that kind of stuff. One thing I learned from trying to get closer is that > those who hurt me simply didn’t care about what they had done–neither did my > peers. That’s what the world is like. I’m "detached" from the world because > I can’t relate to the people I share it with. If I adopted their philosophy, > if I didn’t care who I hurt, then maybe I would be able to deal with people > better. Understand them. > Get it? We learn different things in different ways, how we apply them is hoe > we deal with what our problems are. A lonely person is lonely because they > ave difficulty dealing with other people. They have to apply what they’ve > learned through life–to hurt others, perhaps–to deal with whatever their > deficiencies are that keep them lonely. I think that’s what I wanted to say, > at least. Things are always clearer to me (in my mind) than they are on the > screen. > Of course, maybe Anubis just gets a little sadistic glee from telling the > douchebag jock to settle down and start studying instead of flexing his > pecs–and all of the analysis of his actions that I babbled about are totally > off the mark. > Passive, passion, passionate hatred, passively hating passionately.
– "Rivers belong where they can ramble Eagles belong where they can fly I’ve got to be where my spirit can run free Gotta find my corner of the sky."
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WOW! There was quite a little argument sparked between LadyJ and Anubis because of the "Are they better than us?" post I made. Well, here’s my take on the issue–if any of you care: You can’t be "morally right" and happy (not lonely). LadyJ felt that by dishing out a little of the treatment that Anubis had received when he was younger, he was making the world a more horrible place. Now, to begin, I think that LadyJ is being terribly harsh in her assessment of what Anubis is doing. Anubis stated that: "You don’t know how satisfying it is to tell the puffed-up, so-full-of-himself jock douchebag that he is failing the class and might not graduate unless and until he takes his head out of his ass." If LadyJ really feels that what is essentially just teaching a jock a little humility and putting him in his place is comparable to having garbage thrown in your face for the amusement of others (one of my experiences) then she is so frighteningly out of touch with the world that she shouldn’t be here offering her shallow "support". What Anubis is doing is getting a little satisfaction from telling someone, smugly, to put in a little hustle and quit goofing off. I, and I suspect Anubis, were probably rather thoroughly traumatized. Now, for me at least, a lot of my "detachment" from the world is due to the fact that I never experienced closer. Nobody ever said I’m sorry (at least, they never meant it–I’ve meant it on the rare occasions on which I’ve had to say it). But I think that many people can agree that, unless they feel some sort of "end" to whatever they’ve had to deal with in their past, it’s really quite difficult to move on with the future. People can achieve satisfaction in various ways. I attempted to confront my past tormentors–of course we are still teenagers and so my results were pathetic; some of them flat out denied what they did or just shrugged it off. Anubis, however, is possibly dealing with it by giving what he got (do unto others…) and to a much lower degree at that. Is that so bad? No. The world hurt us. Some of us never forget being hurt. We all learn from that kind of stuff. One thing I learned from trying to get closer is that those who hurt me simply didn’t care about what they had done–neither did my peers. That’s what the world is like. I’m "detached" from the world because I can’t relate to the people I share it with. If I adopted their philosophy, if I didn’t care who I hurt, then maybe I would be able to deal with people better. Understand them. Get it? We learn different things in different ways, how we apply them is hoe we deal with what our problems are. A lonely person is lonely because they ave difficulty dealing with other people. They have to apply what they’ve learned through life–to hurt others, perhaps–to deal with whatever their deficiencies are that keep them lonely. I think that’s what I wanted to say, at least. Things are always clearer to me (in my mind) than they are on the screen. Of course, maybe Anubis just gets a little sadistic glee from telling the douchebag jock to settle down and start studying instead of flexing his pecs–and all of the analysis of his actions that I babbled about are totally off the mark. Passive, passion, passionate hatred, passively hating passionately.
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Anubis wrote in message <35735001.F0EE1…@bucknell.edu>… >Right on dude!
Are you sure your name isn’t Puck?!? >It was comical to watch this big, puffed-up nimrod nearly on the brink of tears. >He blamed me for his own sloth and laziness. He insulted me incessantly using >tactics I thought only existed in high schools anymore. In the end, A-hole had to >take summer school, and didn’t get to walk the aisle. While it would be ethically >skewed to actively cause the downfall of another, I sit back and enjoy the
show. You need to get out of teaching….Teachers are supposed to care for their students and help them learn….you may not have actively caused this guy’s failure, but you’ve openly admitted you derive pleasure from watching him have difficulty in class, and it’s hard for me to believe that your own attitude and perspective on everything in general isn’t affecting your teaching ability. Mikr
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Folks, It looks to me like these guys are just yanking everybody around to get a reaction. It is sort of creepy, but it probably doesn’t warrant people letting themselves get upset by it. Uhhh. Is anybody seeing my messages? Jim
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Passive wrote in message <6kvmh6$nu…@winter.news.erols.com>… >Yes, and instead, she’s turned her back on me and Anubis, and I suspect >EVERYONE who has ever been less than the "I love everyone in the whole world" >persona that SHE attempts to project. Accordingly, all of you have turned >your backs on us. Refusing to even TRY to listen to reason. This isn’t a >support group … it’s a CULT.
A cult! Hee hee –you make me laugh…..care for a purple shroud? Mike
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Oh yeah??!? I know you are but what am I, I know you are but what am I……oh…..Hi Jim…Sorry about that. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Jim wrote in message <35736D11.2…@accessone.com>… >Folks, >It looks to me like these guys are just yanking everybody around to get >a reaction. >It is sort of creepy, but it probably doesn’t warrant people letting >themselves get upset by it.
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Maddogg wrote in message <6kvm88$ht…@chile.it.earthlink.net>… > Michael > Maddogg (hey there, Mike, how’s it hangin’?… > and dont bother lying to ol’ dogg…) :-]~
It’s hangin’…..but tonight I feel like I just stumbled out of a bar room brawl after all these flames. But that’s okay….tomorrow I see the Dave Mathews Band in concert….whoohoo! Later, Mike
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Thank you, Mike. I do try not to let them get to me. It seems they come here two or three at a time. It’s happened before. Maybe not these same ones, but others like them. Almost as though it were a plan. They usually pick Michael or I to attack. It makes me sad that people will do things like that. Yes, they do make me show my anger. I am always angry at harm and especially at those who take pleasure in it and even more so with those who support that behavior. I have asked in the past, that people on the group not respond to attacks on me. I did not wish this group turned into a battlefield. It is a caring place and I would keep it that way. But, I do tire of being alone. You and others who have been my support, have my gratitude. J – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Mike Taylor wrote: > Passive wrote in message <6kvfj4$84…@winter.news.erols.com>… > >You can’t be "morally right" and happy (not lonely). > Crap. That’s your pessimism talking. > >If LadyJ really feels that what is essentially just teaching a jock a little > >humility and putting him in his place is comparable to having garbage thrown > >in your face for the amusement of others (one of my experiences) then she is > >so frighteningly out of touch with the world that she shouldn’t be here > >offering her shallow "support". > I’ll have you know that LadyJ has not only proven insightful in her > responses/support to others, but she’s helped changed the initially negative, > caustic attitudes of innumerable amounts of people on this NG. What have you > done? > >The world hurt us. Some of us never forget being hurt. We all learn from > >that kind of stuff. One thing I learned from trying to get closer is that > >those who hurt me simply didn’t care about what they had done–neither did my > >peers. That’s what the world is like. I’m "detached" from the world because > >I can’t relate to the people I share it with. If I adopted their philosophy, > >if I didn’t care who I hurt, then maybe I would be able to deal with people > >better. Understand them. > >Get it? > Oh, I get it, but if that is your reasoning and your solution to your problem > and that of other loners out there, then it is you who is incredibly shallow. > Mike
– "Rivers belong where they can ramble Eagles belong where they can fly I’ve got to be where my spirit can run free Gotta find my corner of the sky."
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